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WRAL.com ^ | 5/27/2011 | WRAL

Posted on 05/28/2011 6:31:57 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Durham, N.C. — Healthier food might soon be coming to a corner store near you, thanks to an initiative by local, state and federal governments to bring better eating options to areas without grocery stores.

Those who live along Angier Avenue in east Durham can buy food, but most of it is not very healthy. A mini mart sells candy and snacks, and a diner features a one-pound hot dog. The federal government calls places like this "food deserts."

"All the grocery stores have left, and all that people have access to is what's in a convenience store," said Sheree Vodicka, a spokeswoman for the North Carolina Division of Public Health.

Grocery stores typically carry more fresh fruits and vegetables and healthier food than convenience stores. "If you can't get to them, you can't choose those foods," Vodicka said. But things are on changing on Angier Avenue. Triangle Residential Options for Substance Abusers opened a grocery store there a year ago. It's become part of a new state effort to work with stores to bring fruits and vegetables to those food deserts.

The TROSA store manager said that business is brisk and people are buying healthier foods. "The community realizes that they have access, that they have resources," said David Reese, co-chair of Partnership for a Healthy Durham. People also get lessons on how to cook fresh vegetables from the county health department. "A lot of people may have been raised not eating it in the healthiest way, so we're trying to teach people to cook things quick and easy," nutritionist Kelly Warnock said.

But the program is about more than improving human health. Organizers hope it will bring back some big grocery stores to improve the community's economic health.

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Didn't they have govt. run stores in the USSR? OK their shelves were empty but at least they didn't sell junk food, right?
1 posted on 05/28/2011 6:32:01 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

ECON 101: No one can create a market where one does not exist naturally—Not even the government.


2 posted on 05/28/2011 6:36:12 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

A lot of retailers moved out of Detroit because they couldn’t make enough money to make up for losses to theft.


3 posted on 05/28/2011 6:36:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Arm_Bears

There is a market, but the shrink rate is too high. (theft)


4 posted on 05/28/2011 6:37:15 AM PDT by republicangel
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

“”All the grocery stores have left”

Gee, wonder why all the grocery stores have left... maybe if the residents would stop fouling their own nests, then businesses would return. After all, supply always follows demand, if supply isn’t afraid of being robbed and/or murdered...


5 posted on 05/28/2011 6:37:34 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

So now we get a glimpse of where Moochelle’s “Eat Healthy” initiative is headed - just like school lunches became “school breakfasts” all “for the children” - we’re going to have the gubbermint stepping in to provide a teat to suckle on for the “food desert” inhabitants.


6 posted on 05/28/2011 6:39:03 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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Gee, wonder why all the grocery stores have left... maybe if the residents would stop fouling their own nests, then businesses would return. After all, supply always follows demand, if supply isn’t afraid of being robbed and/or murdered...

Exactly right. Poverty does not create crime. Crime creates poverty.

7 posted on 05/28/2011 6:41:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Hmmm.....if they managed both ends of the equation......???

Food stamps can only be used at government run food stores.......


8 posted on 05/28/2011 6:41:46 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Those who live along Angier Avenue in east Durham can buy food, but most of it is not very healthy.

I learned as much as I need to know about Durham NC in 06-08 with that Duke LAX case. The people of Durham don't DESERVE to be eating healthy food, they deserve to be eating rat poison.

9 posted on 05/28/2011 6:42:37 AM PDT by wendy1946 (Bork Obunga; Before he borks you...)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Funny, evil greedy Wally World wants to build stores in the inner city but union thugs and moronic political dims keep stopping them
10 posted on 05/28/2011 6:43:39 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Good grief how did people ever get by without government-run health food stores.


11 posted on 05/28/2011 6:43:54 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: G Larry

Take old failed communist ideas and dress them up with new lingo like “food deserts” and “eat healthy” - welcome to the USSA comrade!


12 posted on 05/28/2011 6:44:53 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: pnh102

One of the true mysteries of life that is.


13 posted on 05/28/2011 6:46:54 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

“All the grocery stores have left...”

Instead of opening a government store, they should ask why the stores left and then create conditions to allow the stores to return. Without knowing the area, I can speculate on a few reasons.

1. High Crime
2. Obama Economy
3. Liberal Taxes
4. Anti-Business environment
5. Heavily Democratic area

If they want real change, they should refuse another government handout (grocery store) and vote conservatives into office. Let churches and private charities fill the gaps during the transition period.


14 posted on 05/28/2011 6:46:54 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Read the article and don’t see where “government” is running grocery stores


15 posted on 05/28/2011 6:47:34 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Popman

Yet.


16 posted on 05/28/2011 6:50:02 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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What a waste. Teaching them to cook healthy? WTF?! Can't they get a cookbook and follow the directions? I go to Wal-Mart, plenty of fresh fruits and veggies. That is NOT what I see in most food stamp carts.
17 posted on 05/28/2011 6:50:26 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Just for kicks, I did a little Bing search for grocery stores near Angier Avenue in Durham, N.C.

There are at least 80 grocery stores including supermarkets, whole food stores, and produce outlets.

18 posted on 05/28/2011 6:51:12 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Triangle Residential Options for Substance Abusers opened a grocery store there a year ago .....

Where do you think that “TROSA”s money comes from?


19 posted on 05/28/2011 6:51:18 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Once proud and free Americans can now solely claim only a superior tolerance for obediently taking crap...


20 posted on 05/28/2011 6:53:46 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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In the article there is a link for food deserts

I checked it out and looked at my area.

At least in my area there may be area's that don't have "chain grocery stores" but they are independent grocery stores in the area.

Not C-Store but real grocery stores with fresh fruit, fresh meats and real groceries

I'm sure there are area's that this is a serious problem, but with everything government it's overstated to generate money

21 posted on 05/28/2011 6:57:27 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Don’t get too wound up about this. Variations on this scheme have been around since the Great Depression, in a multitude of forms.

The first major program was to require Home Economics for all girls in high school. At its height, it was spectacularly successful, saving future families thousands or tens of thousands of dollars while significantly improving their quality of life.

But when Home Ec was mostly discontinued, the decline in home management knowledge and children’s nutrition was rapid. Soon there was a need for elementary schools to start providing free breakfasts as well as lunch, so they would at least get some vitamins.

Will this latest effort help? Marginally, at best. People raised to eat only rice and beans, or pizza and beer, or grits and grease, or whatever, are difficult to convince that eating something else might be good, too.


22 posted on 05/28/2011 6:58:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Geeze O petes, did you take a look at the food desert locator?

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/fooddesert/fooddesert.html

Huge tracts of unpopulated country are classified as food deserts. Just maybe those areas don’t have grocery stores because nobody lives there.

In my county they show the city of Jackson Michigan as a food desert despite 2 Meijer stores, a Walmart, Sam’s club, Aldi’s, Gordon Food service, multiple Kroger stores, 2 Save A Lot stores, and probably a half dozen more I can’t remember.


23 posted on 05/28/2011 6:59:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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One I don't care if they open a grocery store there

in those areas they tend to eat greasy foods.

But they think with foods stamps why would a grocery store not make it?

The reason is many on food stamps sell them for cash.

24 posted on 05/28/2011 7:01:52 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

People that live there won’t buy healthy food anyway.

And education about healthy food won’t change anything for those people.


25 posted on 05/28/2011 7:03:30 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
In Rockford Illinois, on South Main street, there was one a small, junky, but thriving Latino mini-supermarket. The city wanted to gentrify the area because of its proximity to the Rock River.

The owner was pressured to accept something in the neighborhood of $106,000 to give up his store, whih he accepted.

The IGA-affiliated Gray's Foods accepted a big subsidy to put up a full-sized, brand new supermarket. It was clean, it was bright, it had good selection, lots of parking. It was empty of customers. That lasted only two to three years. Next the brand new store was taken over by Latinos who should know how to market to the locals. They probably got the property (or lease to it) inexpensively. It did better, and a Family Dollar moved in next to it, but after three or four years, it too failed.

Now, the heavily subsidized building, up the street from the brand new empty condos with the rover view, sits empty, with the family dollar having to do as a local grocery store. It would have been better for the taxpayers, and especially the people in the neighborhood, if their little store was just left alone.

This farce happened simply with government using the threat of eminent domain and subsidies as levers. Imagine how bad it will be if it is a federal store owning (or funding) the stores outright.
26 posted on 05/28/2011 7:04:03 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
The federal government calls places like this "food deserts."

The first wookie said this a few months ago and now it is a "federal government" pronouncment?

Anyone who states this food desert BS thinks anyone who believes it is stupid.

Anyone who believes this food desert BS deserves to starve.

27 posted on 05/28/2011 7:05:08 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Where do you think that “TROSA”s money comes from?

According to their 2009 annual report 8 % comes from grants The 89% of revenue comes from donations and earned income.

http://www.trosainc.org/Annual%20Report.pdf

28 posted on 05/28/2011 7:06:38 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

If the govt-run food store opens in food stamp country, they can stock their shelves with all the healthy food they want, but no one’s going to take it.

Then, the complaints of racism will go up because the “gummint sto” doesn’t have the convenience foods that “white peoples sto” has. Then, Uncle Sugar will fill its store with convenience food and they’ll be right back where they are now, except that the taxpayer will have to support another failed “program”.


29 posted on 05/28/2011 7:08:00 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Our government counted ketsup as a vegtable in the “free” school lunch program at one time.

I imagine islands of communism in the cities will thrive as long as the government can take food from people outside the cities. In a “state of emergency” Obammy can do what ever he wants to do to whomever he wants.

As we enter into a time of “global” food shortages, Obama has created the base of power and infrastructure to can take care of “his people.”

Reminds me of the good ole days of Stalin. But that is crazy! In a time of shortages, Obammy would never take control over food and then starve the people outside the cities like Stalin did!


30 posted on 05/28/2011 7:11:07 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Systemic Federal insanity is proven. All that remains is the decision as to when We the People start to dismantle the beast.


31 posted on 05/28/2011 7:11:30 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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The reason is many on food stamps sell them for cash

Yup, and the liquor stores are doing just fine, thank you very much.

32 posted on 05/28/2011 7:12:25 AM PDT by mc5cents (Government doesn't solve problems, it subsidizes them. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: ladyvet
Can't they get a cookbook and follow the directions?

No they can't.

They went to government schools.

33 posted on 05/28/2011 7:13:15 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 856 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

I can hear it now, Jamal and Latisha chanting

NO BRUSSEL SPROUTS NO PEACE!


34 posted on 05/28/2011 7:15:42 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SaraJohnson

Food seems to be the weapon of choice of all dictators throughout history. Create shortages and then accrue power by doling out the relief.


35 posted on 05/28/2011 7:22:26 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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” Hmmm.....if they managed both ends of the equation......???

Food stamps can only be used at government run food stores....... “

Then, take it to the next logical step, and close the system - the Gummint Store will *only* accept food stamps....

Control access to food, and control the population.....


36 posted on 05/28/2011 7:23:04 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: republicangel

I’ll give you a couple of minutes to figure out why this area has no grocery store. OK times up.


37 posted on 05/28/2011 7:23:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

They should address the root problem — why did the grocery stores leave the ‘hood? Everything else is like a band-aid on a flesh-eating bug infestation.


38 posted on 05/28/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
I am by no means poor, but it really pissy me off when the person in front of me at the check out register has a grocery cart full of stuff I can't afford.
And it is coming out of my pocket.
39 posted on 05/28/2011 7:24:49 AM PDT by JimmyMc
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

If one considers only the historical record as a guide, then the result of the state’s initiative will be starvation.

However, if one relies instead on the visionary proclamations of progressive statesmen, then things will only get better, and then even better again.


40 posted on 05/28/2011 7:26:26 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: cripplecreek

Just maybe those areas don’t have grocery stores because nobody lives there.


Yup - probably not a lot of Jiffy Lubes or movie theatres in those places either.


41 posted on 05/28/2011 7:28:48 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: Uncle Ike

Control access to food, and control the population.....


Been going on since time immemorial.


42 posted on 05/28/2011 7:30:45 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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... and a diner features a one-pound hot dog.

I don't see how any location that features a one-pound hot dog could be labeled a "food desert" — indeed, it appears that diner in question is Joe's Diner (aka Joe's Big Hot Dogs).

(For what it is worth, the Urbanspoon article to an interesting news site story about Joe's Diner.)

43 posted on 05/28/2011 7:32:21 AM PDT by snowsislander (The Nigerian 419 scammers must be envious of what this Kenyan fraud has accomplished.)
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There would be healthier food available if the customers asked for it. Merchants will supply what customers are willing to pay for.


44 posted on 05/28/2011 7:34:40 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

The map shows Keweenaw county in Michigan as a food desert but there are less than 3000 in the county. Not a whole hell of a lot of anything there.


45 posted on 05/28/2011 7:36:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: JimmyMc

but it really pisses me off when the person in front of me at the check out register has a grocery cart full of stuff I can’t afford.
And it is coming out of my pocket.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2725474/posts —— here - this ought to make you feel better.


46 posted on 05/28/2011 7:38:28 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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” Huge tracts of unpopulated country are classified as food deserts. Just maybe those areas don’t have grocery stores because nobody lives there. “

I’m one of those ‘nobodys’ who ‘lives there’ - 30 miles from my house to the closest shopping, or gas station, or doctor....

A few of us neighbors looked into the possibility of a State or Federal grant, or even an SBA loan, to start a Convenience-type store or co-op in our little hamlet (pop 200), since we were white, male, and middle-to-upper age, even though many of us are on SS, or VA pensions, we got, at best, ignored, and, mostly, laughed at.....


47 posted on 05/28/2011 7:38:33 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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we got, at best, ignored, and, mostly, laughed at....

If you're asking for a taxpayer nipple you got what you deserved.
48 posted on 05/28/2011 7:40:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Bryanw92
Then, Uncle Sugar will fill its store with convenience food and they’ll be right back where they are now, except that the taxpayer will have to support another failed “program”.

Every first lady get to create one program. Usually they are stupid wastes of money that sound good on paper, or as a legacy. It's a tradition.

49 posted on 05/28/2011 7:40:22 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

One issue that the article doesn’t address is the fact that urban census tracts are very populated, and hence are very small.

Case in point, look at the near south shore of Chicago. At 61st and Stony Island, there is a “food island.” Now the eastern half of the census tract is park and golf course. The western half is very close to non-desert census tracts. If you lived smack in the middle of the populated area of the census tract, you would find that the Hyde Park Co-op (or whatever it is called now)is only 6-8 blocks away at 55th and Hyde Park Blvd. The Hyde Park Co-op has the EXACT types of foods the bureaucrats are promoting. However, the prices are a bit high. If you have a car, Hyde Prk Produce is a 5min. drive away at 53rd and Kimbark (about 12 blocks, still walkable in decent weather), and I think the general purpose Mr. G’s might still be there. These urban stores will also deliver groceries. You walk or take a bus, and for a couple of dollars per bag, they’ll drive the stuff to your apartment. It costs more, but hey, no car payment ... right?


50 posted on 05/28/2011 7:41:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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