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Cold shoulder for climate change (Is it hogwash or fraud?)
Politico ^ | 5/24/11 | DARREN SAMUELSOHN

Posted on 05/28/2011 6:51:09 AM PDT by Libloather

Cold shoulder for climate change
By DARREN SAMUELSOHN | 5/24/11 4:28 AM EDT

Climate scientists are in a tough spot.

They have never been more certain about what they know. Powerful new satellites can hone in on mountainous regions to measure ice melt. Stronger computers model changes in disruptive weather patterns. Scientists are even more comfortable attributing climate change to visible effects around the globe, from retreating Himalayan glaciers to southwestern U.S. droughts and acidifying oceans.

**SNIP**

For instance, National Research Council members got a collective shrug earlier this month when they went to Capitol Hill to share their work — a congressionally mandated, 18-month review of the nuts and bolts of global warming science and ideas for what U.S. policymakers could do about it.

Only a small group of House and Senate aides showed up for private briefings on the study. And while a couple of staffers asked parochial questions about how climate change affects their districts and states, the authors also got the second degree on whether there is even a problem.

“They said, ‘There are those who believe it’s a bit of hogwash. And not only hogwash, but a fraud,’” said Albert Carnesale, chancellor emeritus at the University of California, Los Angeles and chairman of the NRC panel.

“Scientists aren’t a lobbying force,” said Andrew Revkin, author of The New York Times’s Dot Earth blog. “They’re trying to make science matter in an arena where the only way it matters is to use it to support an existing agenda.”

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; climatechange; fraud; globalwarming; scientists
I'm betting on fraud.
1 posted on 05/28/2011 6:51:12 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Clear case of fraud. Every time someone mentions the natural heating and cooling cycles of the earth, the data is deemed irrelevant. This is Political Science. The science of making subjects of free people.


2 posted on 05/28/2011 6:54:55 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Libloather

Me too; since scientists have proved it’s hogwash.


3 posted on 05/28/2011 6:55:52 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Libloather
No Smoking Hot Spot (The Australian)

The missing hotspot (JoNova)

Those two articles take Greenhouse Theory at face value and by the criterion set up in the theory itself finds no evidence of warming on the basis of greenhouse effect.

The Hidden Flaw in Greenhouse Theory

Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics

Harvard astrophysicist dismisses AGW theory, challenges peers to 'take back climate science'

It Is Impossible For A 100 ppm Increase In Atmospheric CO2 Concentration To Cause Global Warming

Simple Chemistry and the Real Greenhouse Effect.

Those five articles each show that Greenhouse Theory has no basis in reality due to a direct conflict with the known laws of physics. No wonder the smoking gun "hotspot" can't be found.

Claim That Sea Level Is Rising Is a Total Fraud

That article kills any thought of planetary warming from any cause. Think about it. If there is absolutely no sign of rising sea levels how could the planet be warming? The rise in sea level in the last 100 years is almost exactly the same as the average over the last 40,000 years caused by the inter-glacial period we are in.

4 posted on 05/28/2011 6:57:39 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Libloather

Fraud, hogwash, and whatever other name one can think of when someone is in it for the money.


5 posted on 05/28/2011 6:58:34 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Medicare Plan? Don't need one. Did I mention I got Bin Laden? ....and I'm awesome.)
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To: Chuck54

The really sad part is the shysters have all these little mushbrains believing if they follow them they will save the world.

I’m so glad my daughter was much smarter than this and though raised in the south, lived in NYC for 5 years, never wavered.

Conservative to the bone.


6 posted on 05/28/2011 7:01:48 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Medicare Plan? Don't need one. Did I mention I got Bin Laden? ....and I'm awesome.)
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To: Libloather
“Scientists aren’t a lobbying force,”

The age of the NGOs has changed that.

7 posted on 05/28/2011 7:12:20 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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To: Libloather

Climate change is normal and happens daily. It is part of the world, sun and solar system’s cycle of climate.

Is any of this man made or man caused? HELL NO!


8 posted on 05/28/2011 7:13:32 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Libloather

Those who read the Bible know that God often uses weather, which He alone controls, to punish the wickedness of mankind. Beginning with the Great Flood in the time of Noah, the three year drought when no rain fell in the prophet Elijah’s time, God sent weather related disasters to remind evildoers that they were treading on dangerous ground and repentance is in order.

So yes, judging by the moral condition of mankind around the globe, and certainly in our own country, one might say that “climate change” is caused by man...but not by his use of fossil fuels. Rather it might be the wickedness currently in vogue, such evil as killing over fifty million of God’s children in abortion, in discarding the Ten Commandments, in kicking Him out of our national life while inviting all manner of perversion in.

The next time some Liberal brings up “anthropological climate change,” run this past him. No doubt, you will get an interesting response.


9 posted on 05/28/2011 7:15:21 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Libloather

The first paragraph is completely one sided. I didn’t read the rest of the article.


10 posted on 05/28/2011 7:16:12 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Libloather; DollyCali; markomalley; Bockscar; Thunder90; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Normandy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

11 posted on 05/28/2011 7:18:14 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Libloather
Carl Sagan used Venus as the poster planet of Global Warming because of its high Co2 % in its atmosphere.

Venus’s atmosphere is 96% Co2....hotter than hell.
Mar's atmosphere is 95% Co2....colder than hell.

What is the deciding factor?

How about their relative distance from the sun.

Venus is the second planet and Mars is the fourth, hmmmmmmm, and Earth is the third.

One is too hot and one is too cold and one is just right.

Fluctuations of temperature, on Earth, arise from the elliptical orbit and the variation in the tilt of the Earth's axis and their relationship to the sun at any given time.

Now, I didn't write this for anyone on FreeRepublic, I'm only hoping a warmist AGW scientist happens to be perusing this thread and needs a reminder concerning the basics.

12 posted on 05/28/2011 7:20:57 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Libloather
from retreating Himalayan glaciers

Climate science has suffered another blow to its credibility after it was revealed that a claim by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that Himalayan glaciers will probably disappear altogether in the next 25 years was wrong.

Why do they even bother calling themselves journalists.

13 posted on 05/28/2011 7:23:15 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Libloather

I’d say “both”.


14 posted on 05/28/2011 7:29:15 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

I’ll go with “All That and More”.


15 posted on 05/28/2011 7:38:04 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Puckster

How dare you introduce logic & common-sense into a mushy-feely political discussion!

:-)


16 posted on 05/28/2011 7:38:18 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Libloather
Was it Ann Coulter who said, paraphrasing, that secularists have replaced religion with environmentalism. Global Warming is a subset of environmentalism and has all of the elements that secularists despise about religion.

And no real scientist would claim that global warming is a “fact” and has been proven conclusively. Nothing in science is ever conclusive — theories, and that is exactly what they are — THEORIES, are based on limited and error prone data and models that are approximations of the “system.” In the end, a scientist can only predict the probability of something happening.

Interesting: I remember watching a show on computer modeling of complex systems. What was most striking about the show was the conclusion that an immeasurable error in the model itself, the initial conditions, or the data, had a huge impact on the end result a short period into the simulation.

In other words, a very, very small error WILL produce widely varying, black versus white, results. Predicting future global climate using this process is inherently flawed.

So the question is — how flawed is it? Apparently, very flawed based on more recent objective review and events — hide the decline, measuring temperatures in city centers, etc. And what about the models themselves?

17 posted on 05/28/2011 7:38:21 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Libloather

Since we are absolutley without a doubt cooling... and it is all related to the Sun... but since we are cooling off... this is an exposed scam... perhaps the largest ever attempted on the world stage... and the players should be tried and if found guilty... then executed.

LLS


18 posted on 05/28/2011 7:38:37 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If you lie hard enough and sell your soul... you can scam your way to the top" barack obama)
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To: Libloather

What are all these scientists going to do to make a living now? They don’t create anything. Their only hope is government funding.


19 posted on 05/28/2011 8:01:50 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: canuck_conservative

My bad.

The prior 3 sunspot cycles were of an asymetric nature with bouble peaks on the high side.

The present 11 year cycle is asymetric on the low cycle with a very elongated low.

We may have arrive at the peak of this present cycle which would make it very short.

Combine my previous post with solar cycles.....yet again another basic component to our weather for scientist peruser’s to ponder the basics.

Again....my bad.


20 posted on 05/28/2011 8:03:23 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Libloather

Consider the source:

The NRC report — which pulled together experts from engineering, science, business, nonprofits, government and politics — had as its key conclusion, “Climate change is occurring, is very likely caused by human activities and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems.”

21 posted on 05/28/2011 8:04:12 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So
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To: aflaak

Ping


22 posted on 05/28/2011 8:08:09 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: Puckster

Note to self:

Tent time in Kandahar

Night folks.


23 posted on 05/28/2011 8:13:52 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Libloather
“Scientists aren’t a lobbying force,” said Andrew Revkin, author of The New York Times’s Dot Earth blog.

As soon as they started talking about a "consensus" among "scientists" (the list of "scientists" including numerous politicians and activists), they started trying to be "a lobbying force."

If "a consensus" mattered in science, we'd still be talking about the "luminiferous ether" instead of the theory of general relativity, because Einstein's brilliant insights into the interaction between mass and space would have been dismissed as poppycock.

24 posted on 05/28/2011 9:59:47 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Libloather
The "science" is hogwash.

Politicizing it is fraud.

Those involved in either are not legitimate scientists...

25 posted on 05/28/2011 11:52:46 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Libloather
Cold shoulder for climate change (Is it hogwash or fraud?)

The two choices are not mutually exclusive.

26 posted on 05/28/2011 12:47:18 PM PDT by hattend (Obama is better than OJ... He found a killer while on the golf course.)
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27 posted on 05/28/2011 9:52:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: Libloather
“We need to equip ourselves with the ability and capacity to deal with the heightened scrutiny … which we have been subjected to recently,” IPCC Chairman Rajendra Pachauri said earlier this month during a conference in Abu Dhabi.
He means, they need to figure out how to lie better. They've been trying: Global Warming Debate Lost Under an Avalanche of Corruption
28 posted on 05/29/2011 1:01:38 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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