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Dutch government to ban tourists from cannabis shops
Yahoo/Reuters ^ | Fri May 27

Posted on 05/28/2011 9:08:28 AM PDT by GonzoII

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) – The Dutch government on Friday said it would start banning tourists from buying cannabis from "coffee shops" and impose restrictions on Dutch customers by the end of the year.

The Netherlands is well known for having one of Europe's most liberal soft drug policies that has made its cannabis shops a popular tourist attraction, particularly in Amsterdam.

Backed by the far-right party of anti-immigrant politician Geert Wilders, the coalition government that came into power last year announced plans to curb drug tourism as part of a nationwide program to promote health and fight crime.

"In order to tackle the nuisance and criminality associated with coffee shops and drug trafficking, the open-door policy of coffee shops will end," the Dutch health and justice ministers wrote in a letter to the country's parliament on Friday.

Under the new rules, only Dutch residents will be able to sign up as members of cannabis shops.

Dutch customers will have to sign up for at least a year's membership and each shop would be expected to have only up to 1,500 members, a justice ministry spokesman said.

The policy will roll out in the southern provinces of Limburg, Noord Brabant and Zeeland by the end of the year and the rest of the country next year, the spokesman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; marijuana; netherlands
"Backed by the far-right party of anti-immigrant politician Geert Wilders"

How about that, I thought they would be more Libertarian in this regard. Good for ya.

1 posted on 05/28/2011 9:08:35 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

I guess they got tired of all those tourism dollars.


2 posted on 05/28/2011 9:14:08 AM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: GonzoII
announced plans to curb drug tourism

They'll bring it back when their tourist industry takes a big hit (as it were).

Then again they still have prostitution tourism.

3 posted on 05/28/2011 9:14:15 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: GonzoII

4 posted on 05/28/2011 9:23:11 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: GonzoII

Wow. Now there’s no reason at all for Libertarians to go to Holland. And with the Arizona government putting it’s pot laws on hold until some determinations, there’s no reason for them to come to Arizona, either. So please, stop coming here, Libertarians. We’ve got enough problems with illegal Mexicans and illegal Muslims and Janet Napolitano.


5 posted on 05/28/2011 9:26:29 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: GonzoII

Perhaps they’ve calculated that the drug business costs them more than it brings in.


6 posted on 05/28/2011 9:29:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Oh most loving Father, preserve us from faithless fears and worldly anxieties.)
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To: COBOL2Java

He’s looking for 20 lbs. of tuna I’ll bet.


7 posted on 05/28/2011 9:34:03 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: RC one; Mr. Mojo
How much money does a pot-head infuse into the tourist industry in the Netherlands? Not much I'll bet. At any rate the Dutch Gov. doesn't seem to care.

When the word gets out about this ban and the efforts to clean up their country they may see a gain in the tourist industry.

8 posted on 05/28/2011 9:43:31 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: GonzoII

You can buy cannibis, but they draw the line at Ovaltine.


9 posted on 05/28/2011 9:46:36 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Tax-chick
Perhaps they’ve calculated that the drug business costs them more than it brings in.

If so then they are about to discover that they are mistaken.

10 posted on 05/28/2011 9:46:45 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: GonzoII
When the word gets out about this ban and the efforts to clean up their country they may see a gain in the tourist industry.

More likely the tourists will go to Portugal instead.

11 posted on 05/28/2011 9:48:30 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: GonzoII

Not all pot heads are dirt poor democrats, I can personally assure you of that without going into uncomfortable details about who and what I know. Anybody with the cash to buy a ticket from the US to Amsterdam has plenty to spare.


12 posted on 05/28/2011 10:01:21 AM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: GonzoII
...plans to curb drug tourism as part of a nationwide program to promote health and fight crime.

Now wait a minute...the potheads here have been saying that the crime is only because it is illegal. Am I missing something?

(donning flameproofs)

13 posted on 05/28/2011 10:02:27 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: GonzoII

NOOOOOOOOO! Now I have no reason to visit Amsterdam. Oh well, at least there’s still Jamicia right?


14 posted on 05/28/2011 10:08:38 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: GonzoII

“Libertarians are conservatives who like to smoke pot”, Drew Carey.


15 posted on 05/28/2011 10:12:49 AM PDT by LA Conservative (Defeat the Demogogic Party)
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To: LA Conservative
“Libertarians are conservatives who like to smoke pot”

They're a lot more than that I'm afraid.

16 posted on 05/28/2011 10:20:47 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: Tax-chick

On a normal summer weekend...from Friday to Monday...I’d make a honest bet that at least fifteen thousand British tourists are in Amsterdam. Toss in the Germans and the French...plus another two thousand Americans who flew in, and at least forty thousand folks are there to use cannabis and play as a tourist. Most cities in America would beg for something like that....weekend after weekend.

After spending fifteen years in Europe and at least three weeks of that touring the country of the Netherlands...I’m of the mind that the locals really have gotten to hate the drug-usage angle to their lives.

The last time I spent a weekend there...I’d stopped in at a restaurant on a business-related street. There were only a couple of open tables and the guy stuck me and the wife next to some 25-year old gal. What I noticed immediately was that she was on some LSD high and she spent almost the 70 minutes I was there...sipping a tiny bit of soup...drop by drop and being so fascinated with the soup on the spoon. She’d stop occasionally and then gaze at her fingernails as though she’d just acquired them. At the end as I paid...the owner apologized to me....in plain English....there were so few tables left and he could not kick her out. I asked if this was an issue, and he said that he had a dozen customers a day like this....and they occupied tables for almost two hours at a time...barely eating and mostly enjoying their high. He hated their business.


17 posted on 05/28/2011 10:30:49 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: GonzoII

There is a spectrum of Libertarians, ranging from whacked out anarchists to whacked out one-world, Bildeburger, Rothschild conspiracy paranoids. It is my belief that most independents, I think, comprise roughly 40% of the electorate, would classify themselves as small “l” libertarians who by definition should not be compared to the Libertarian Party.

I guess my point is, the term libertarian, like most political labels, (right-wing, left-wing) don’t fit very well.


18 posted on 05/28/2011 10:31:38 AM PDT by LA Conservative (Defeat the Demogogic Party)
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To: GonzoII

It’s always funny to talk pot legalization with liberals (and when it comes to domestic policy, “far right” in Holland is still very left): their immediate reaction 100% of the time is “yeah, then we can regulate it and tax it!” It’s their default setting for literally EVERYTHING. If it is to exist, it must be regulated and taxed!!!


19 posted on 05/28/2011 10:34:01 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: GonzoII

Ron Paul will NOT be happy about this.


20 posted on 05/28/2011 10:52:18 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: JimRed
...the potheads here have been saying that the crime is only because it is illegal. Am I missing something?

Yes, the facts.

Approximately 170 murders were committed in the Netherlands in 2010, a slight decrease from 2009.

http://www.denhaag.nl/de/to/Population-of-The-Hague-rising.htm

That works out to a murder rate of just over 1 per 100,000 population. Compare that to the US murder rate of 5 per 100,000

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

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Let's look at Amsterdam:

In Amsterdam the number of murders decreased from 32 in 2009 to 16 in 2010...

http://www.denhaag.nl/de/to/Population-of-The-Hague-rising.htm

With a population of about 730,000, that works out to a murder rate of about 2.2/100,000.

For comparison, San Jose has consistently been ranked among the safest cities over 500,000 in the US. According to city-data.com, its murder rate for 2009 was 2.6/100,000.

21 posted on 05/28/2011 11:41:30 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: GonzoII
They've simply tightened regulations. Dutch citizens will still be able to get pot whenever they want without the government kicking in their doors and killing their dogs.

Must be very disappointing to the prohibitionists.

22 posted on 05/28/2011 11:50:24 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
"They've simply tightened regulations."

They've done more than that they're keeping the rest of world's potheads out and the crap they bring in their train. It will definitely have a positive effect.

23 posted on 05/28/2011 11:58:34 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: Ken H
"That works out to a murder rate of just over 1 per 100,000 population."

Straw man.

Murder isn't the issue here.

From the piece:

"In order to tackle the nuisance and criminality associated with coffee shops and drug trafficking, the open-door policy of coffee shops will end," the Dutch health and justice ministers wrote in a letter to the country's parliament on Friday."

Not to mention the bad influence that foreign dope smokers from around the world bring to their country.

24 posted on 05/28/2011 12:06:00 PM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: pepsionice

My mother and I were in Amsterdam in April, some years back, and a number of people remarked about how much more pleasant it was at that time of year than when the summer crowds arrived to lie about stoned.

Naturally, I haven’t run the cost-benefit analysis on this change in policy, but it stands to reason the Dutch government has.


25 posted on 05/28/2011 12:18:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Oh most loving Father, preserve us from faithless fears and worldly anxieties.)
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To: Ken H

You’re stating murder statistics. What crimes are concerning the Dutch to the point of changing the laws? Had it been murder that they were concerned about I think the article would have mentioned it.


26 posted on 05/28/2011 12:19:32 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: DannyTN
You can buy cannibis, but they draw the line at Ovaltine.

That would be true if Denmark and Holland were the same countries.

27 posted on 05/28/2011 12:28:40 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: JimRed
The figures for other violent crimes in the US v the Netherlands are nearly as lopsided, so it must be petty crime they're talking about.

We should have such problems.

28 posted on 05/28/2011 12:39:24 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
"We should have such problems."

Apparently the problems are serious enough when a liberal country like the Netherlands thinks it wise to start cracking down.

29 posted on 05/28/2011 12:53:04 PM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Go to Amsterdam anyway.....................Trust me on this.


30 posted on 05/28/2011 12:57:58 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: GonzoII
So? The problems sound like more of a nuisance than a threat. I'd rather walk through Amsterdam than just about any city in America.
31 posted on 05/28/2011 1:01:44 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: SoothingDave
"That would be true if Denmark and Holland were the same countries." Oops Thansk for the correction.
32 posted on 05/28/2011 1:23:04 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: cornfedcowboy
Go to Amsterdam anyway.....................Trust me on this.

I've been there enough times to know it's the sewer of western Europe; the place losers go to drop out of life. I thin it was on my third trip when I stopped and thought "What am I doing in this dump?". The whole place smells of mold. I'm sure there's a nice place somewhere in that city, but it's not withing walking distance of the train station. Since my roaming days are long behind me, I can't think of a reason to ever go back.

33 posted on 05/28/2011 5:56:46 PM PDT by Minn
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To: pepsionice

I like the idea that an owner of a restaurant hates a paying customer. I never heard that complaint in my life from the managers/owners of any of the restaurants I worked for.

As long as someone ordered something nobody cared if they ate it or not. The cost was still the same.


34 posted on 05/29/2011 12:39:22 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: GonzoII

Yeah, until the stoners figure out this brilliant idea:

“Hey, let’s stand in front of the coffeeshops and like have someone go in and like buy the stuff from us!”

Then the Dutch tourist with a card will figure this brilliant idea out:

“Hey, I can like buy a gram for 5 euros and sell it to these guys for 7-10 euros! I do this a couple times a day and my gram is paid for!”

Nah, that would never happen. Black markets don’t get created when there is a demand for something...


35 posted on 05/29/2011 12:41:53 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: GonzoII

Buzz kill.

No doubt this is designed to quell an insidious continental drug trade, and not to thwart the curious pond crosser.


36 posted on 05/29/2011 12:54:13 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: GonzoII

How will this affect the seed market?

Many erstwhile growers here get prize seeds from Holland


37 posted on 05/29/2011 1:06:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (I'll take either chick or the black guy for 100 Art (or Alex to u kids here))
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To: Ken H
We should have such problems demographics.
38 posted on 05/29/2011 1:10:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (I'll take either chick or the black guy for 100 Art (or Alex to u kids here))
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To: wardaddy

>> How will this affect the seed market?

Are you talking about the lovely tulips by any chance? Many a Spring our house was adorned with tulips from Holland.

I stand corrected, that would be the bulb market, not the seed market.


39 posted on 05/29/2011 1:12:00 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric

Lol..don’t be obtuse Gene

I think Tulips are overrated anyhow
They dont come up half the time and boom a week out two and then lean over by their own weight and then leave an unsightly stalk
I prefer lilies for cluster and driveway borders

I think budmen can get seed from Canada still though
Maybe our Few libertinians can expound


40 posted on 05/29/2011 1:25:10 AM PDT by wardaddy (I'll take either chick or the black guy for 100 Art (or Alex to u kids here))
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To: wardaddy

Our tulips managed to stay pretty erect, but then again my wife planted them. She’s got the knack for the kinda’ thing.


41 posted on 05/29/2011 1:39:12 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric

Bada bing...lol

Mine too....funny some gals just know their way around that sorts of thing


42 posted on 05/29/2011 1:44:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (I'll take either chick or the black guy for 100 Art (or Alex to u kids here))
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To: wardaddy

Yeah, I’m chuckling too. Have a great weekend, FRiend!


43 posted on 05/29/2011 1:48:09 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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