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When Faith In U.S. Dollars/Debt Is Dead, The Game Is Over
The Economic Collapse ^ | 2011.05.28 | "Michael"

Posted on 05/28/2011 9:10:11 PM PDT by Oculus III

A day is coming when the rest of the world will decide that it no longer has faith in U.S. dollars or in U.S. debt. When that day arrives, the game will be over. Traditionally, two of the biggest things that the U.S. economy has had going for it were the U.S. dollar and U.S. Treasuries. The U.S. dollar has been the default reserve currency of the world for decades. All over the globe it was seen as a strong, stable currency that was desirable for international trade. U.S. government debt has long been considered the "safest debt" in the entire world. Whenever there was a major crisis, investors would flock to U.S. Treasuries because they were considered a rock. Sadly, all of this is now changing. Today the rest of the world is losing faith in the U.S. financial system. In fact, even the United Nations is now warning of the collapse of the dollar. But if the U.S. dollar and U.S. Treasuries collapse, that will be an absolute nightmare for the U.S. economy. If the rest of the world does not want our dollars someday, then what are we going to give them in exchange for all of the oil and all of the cheap imported goods they send us? If the rest of the world does not want our debt someday, then how in the world are we going to be able to continue to consume far, far more wealth than we produce?

The rest of the world is watching the U.S. government run up record-setting budget deficits and they are watching the Federal Reserve print money like there is no tomorrow and they realize that the U.S. financial system is slowly imploding.

As mentioned above, now even the United Nations is warning that the U.S. dollar could collapse. The following is a brief excerpt from a recent news report put out by Reuters....

The United Nations warned on Wednesday of a possible crisis of confidence in, and even a “collapse” of, the U.S. dollar if its value against other currencies continued to decline.

In a mid-year review of the world economy, the UN economic division said such a development, stemming from the falling value of foreign dollar holdings, would imperil the global financial system.

But it is not just the United Nations that is concerned about the U.S. dollar.

On April 18th, Standard & Poor’s altered its outlook on U.S. government debt from "stable" to "negative" and warned that the U.S. could soon lose its prized AAA rating.

At one time, it would have been unthinkable for Standard & Poor's to do such a thing.

But today it is amazing that it has taken them so long to make such a move. U.S. government finances are falling apart.

When the credit rating of U.S. government debt starts declining, interest rates will go up. Just ask the government of Greece how painful that can be. Today, Greece is paying over 16 percent on 10 year bonds.

The following is what John Williams of Shadow Government Statistics recently had to say about why Standard & Poor's issued such a warning about U.S. government debt....

S&P is noting the U.S. government's long-range fiscal problems. Generally, you'll find that the accounting for unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other programs on a net-present-value (NPV) basis indicates total federal debt and obligations of about $75 trillion. That's 15 times the gross domestic product (GDP). The debt and obligations are increasing at a pace of about $5 trillion a year, which is neither sustainable nor containable. If the U.S. was a corporation on a parallel basis, it would be headed into bankruptcy rather quickly.

Look, the rest of the world is not stupid. They know that the U.S. government is hurtling towards financial disaster. The appetite among foreigners for U.S. government debt is decreasing rapidly.

In fact, according to Zero Hedge, foreigners are dumping U.S. debt at a very rapid pace right now.

In addition, the cost to insure U.S. debt has risen sharply in recent days.

Right now, the Federal Reserve has been buying up most new U.S. government debt with dollars that it has created out of thin air. This is a giant Ponzi scheme, and it is a major contributing factor to the decline of faith in the U.S. dollar.

The dollar has fallen by 17 percent compared to other major national currencies since 2009. What makes that fact even sadder is that all major currencies have been rapidly losing value compared to hard assets over that time period. The dollar is just sliding faster than almost all of the other global currencies that are constantly losing value as well.

Anyone with half a brain could have seen that this would be the end result of reckless government borrowing, but unfortunately our politicians have been ignoring this problem for decades.

Now a day or reckoning is fast approaching and it is going to be very painful.

The U.S. government has piled up the biggest mountain of debt in the history of the world. Just consider a few shocking facts about this unprecedented

*If the U.S. national debt (more than 14 trillion dollars) was reduced to a stack of 5 dollar bills, it would reach three quarters of the way to the moon.

*The U.S. government borrows about 168 million dollars every single hour.

*If Bill Gates gave every penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for 15 days.

*It is now being projected that by the year 2021, interest payments on the national debt will amount to $1.1 trillion dollars a year.

In a previous article on The American Dream, I detailed some more absolutely horrifying statistics about U.S. government debt....

#1 If you divide the national debt up equally among all U.S. households, each one owes a staggering $125,475.18.

#2 The federal government has borrowed 29,660 more dollars per household since Barack Obama signed the economic stimulus law two years ago.

#3 During Barack Obama's first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.

#4 In the new budget that the Obama administration has proposed, the U.S. government would spend 3.7 trillion dollars in 2012 and by 2021 the U.S. government would be spending a whopping 5.6 trillion dollars per year.

#5 The U.S. government currently has to borrow approximately 41 cents of every single dollar that it spends.

#6 The total compensation that the federal government workforce earned last year came to a grand total of approximately 447 billion dollars.

#7 The U.S. national debt is currently rising by well over 4 billion dollars every single day.

#8 The U.S. government is borrowing over 2 million more dollars every single minute.

#9 The U.S. national debt is over 14 times larger than it was just 30 years ago.

#10 Unfunded liabilities for entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare are estimated to be well over $100 trillion, and nobody in the U.S. government seems to have any idea how we are actually even going to come close to meeting all of those obligations.

#11 If you were alive when Christ was born and you spent one million dollars every single day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars by now. But this year alone the U.S. government is going to go about 1.6 trillion dollars more into debt.

#12 If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to pay off the national debt.

So have our politicians learned anything from the mistakes of the past?

No.

The U.S. government continues to spend money on some of the most ridiculous things imaginable. For example, the Department of Health and Human Services has just announced a brand new $500 million program that will, among other things, seek to solve the problem of 5-year-old children that "can't sit still" in a kindergarten classroom.

Isn't it good to see the government investing our hard-earned tax dollars so wisely?

Of course if our kids weren't being constantly fed foods packed with sugar, high fructose corn syrup and aspartame we wouldn't have to spend 500 million dollars to deal with this problem.

When it comes to government waste, nobody seems to do it any better than the U.S. government.

Our politicians continue to assume that the rest of the world will always want our dollars and our debt, but that is simply not the case.

Over the past couple of years, global leader after global leader has publicly talked about the need for a new world reserve currency.

In fact, globalist institutions such as the IMF and the World Bank have been very busy discussing what the world is going to use as a global reserve currency after the death of the dollar.

The rest of the world is not sitting around waiting to see if the U.S. financial system is going to recover. They are already making plans for the demise of the dollar. They are increasingly using other currencies to trade with. They are becoming more hesitant to buy more of our debt. They are realizing that the days of U.S. dominance are coming to an end.

So what is that going to mean for us?

It is going to be a complete and total disaster.

Right now, we live far, far beyond our means. We borrow gigantic piles of money to make up the difference between what we produce and what we consume. We are absolutely dependent on the fact that the rest of the world will take our dollars in exchange for the things that we need.

The current situation is not sustainable.

It will come to an end.

When it does, our standard of living is going to feel like it has changed overnight.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; collapse; debt; default; dollar; dollarcollapse; economy; getreadyhereitcomes; greatrecession; preparedness; preppers; prepping; repudiation; shtf; survival; survivalping; teotwawki
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Scary...
1 posted on 05/28/2011 9:10:19 PM PDT by Oculus III
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To: Oculus III
The current situation is not sustainable.

This is what I try to get across to people. It's just math. You can't argue with it. Or at least: you cannot win the argument.

Normally, in politics, one person could say "We should tax oil companies" while another might say "Taxing corporations is bad". There is a disagreement there. People feel differently on the topic.

The budget deficit really isn't like that. It's math. We cannot keep doing what we have been doing. We are going to stop. Doesn't matter if we want to or not. We're going to stop. It's just math.

Now, politicians can acquiesce to this sooner, or they can try to delay it. But all of the politicians will come to accept that they need to fundamentally change our vision of what government can do. Because the money is gone.

2 posted on 05/28/2011 9:18:06 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Oculus III
Indeed.

Considerations For SHTF Living & Bug Out Locations

3 posted on 05/28/2011 9:20:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: Oculus III

4 posted on 05/28/2011 9:23:47 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: ClearCase_guy
A hundred billion there and another hundred billion over there...who cares. It is not Obama’s money. He doesn't care at all who gets it. As long as it is not America, and not Israel. Anyone else, have at it. Dive in little piggies into the Obama money trough.

We gotta 'Spread the Wealth Around'... National Review

5 posted on 05/28/2011 9:33:35 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Oculus III

“#3 During Barack Obama’s first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.”

And we don’t have MSM to tell the people so they will vote more intelligently next time.

Tell everyone you know, because LMSM will continue to cover Obama’s butt.


6 posted on 05/28/2011 9:37:39 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Going to my high school reunion in a month. I’m lucky I get to go to my 30th, that I’m still alive, and that I was able to live in such a great country for MOST of my life, while it lasted.

And I guess I’ll admit — I’m living it up a bit ...because I know hard times are coming — and I know that the good memories I’ll be making might be all that sustain me in the dreary future ahead.


7 posted on 05/28/2011 9:48:06 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

It’s sad that our young people won’t have the America we had. But I still have hope that people will vote more intelligently, especially with the help of the Tea Party.


8 posted on 05/28/2011 10:01:07 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Taxation at any level will not solve the problem. Like any home business or government, when liabilities exceed assets and income cannot bring down the liabilities, you have to sell assets. US government needs to sell about 5 trillion in assets to get on solid footing.


9 posted on 05/28/2011 10:11:04 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Oculus III
then what are we going to give them in exchange for all of the oil and all of the cheap imported goods they send us?

Burn the paper, eat the dogs, hang the politicians and drill for our own oil. We still do have a wealth of natural resources. We can still make drill stem and rigs. We're not really that dependent on overseas except for crap like TVs.

'Eff 'em. God will know his own. I'll bet that real Americans come out of this doing just fine. Pretenders? Meh... not so good.

/johnny

10 posted on 05/28/2011 10:19:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: LibsRJerks
Enjoy your reunion.

Fiat Currency Economic Death Spiral Has Been Triggered

"Sixty percent of disposable income in Asia, according to the Asian Development Bank (ADB) in a major report entitled: Global Food & Price Inflation & Developing Asia, is spent on food. Food is presently expected to average 10 percent inflation in 2011. This has created tremendous pressures on the population and potential social unrest for Asian governments. "

The last I read, our (US) average percent of income spent on food was 9%. Most recently I saw that our food and energy costs combined were 23% of our income.
I can't imagine spending 60% of my income just to eat.

11 posted on 05/28/2011 10:23:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: Brandonmark
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12 posted on 05/28/2011 10:24:49 PM PDT by Oculus III
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To: ClearCase_guy; Oculus III

Here’s a good technique for going schizo ...

Your financial adviser believes “recovery” is historically just around the corner, as earnings kick in watch the market climb as its recovered from the real estate crash and can only go up.

I do have a degree in economics from a formerly reputable university. My take is complicated. First we should be heading for Zimbabwe levels of inflation already and yet bonds are near historic lows.

Secret: We’re exporting our inflation and may be able to do so for a while longer. As the dollar drops it makes exporting countries goods more expensive so governments around the world have been buying (propping up) the dollar but this has caused inflation in their own economies with food costs (very important for most people) skyrocketing.

Because we’re still the reserve currency people are still buying treasuries largely for two reasons. First, the EU is still borderline flatline with the PIIGS and whether there will even be a Euro in 5 years.

Oh and realistically what sane country will adopt the currency of a totalitarian dictatorship which by definition and historically make their own rules? So China is out. Japan? No. Russian ruble? No - see China above.

The entire world runs on fiat currency - whose to back with real bucks? Just so you know right now I’m backing the US and our good guys cutting our government outlays drastically - it has to be done.

Over the history of the Euro, the dollar has been E1.20 - E1.60 and is rocking around E1.40 - kind of “normal”

BUT! Bad things are going to happen. EU Breakup. USA failure to control debt must bring us inflation - just look at commodity prices over the last two years - our exported inflation is coming back to roost..

Still I am stuck. How do you get into a safe currency without being taxed to death or prevented from moving your assets to another country? What market for equities and bonds? The most straight forward may be the Canadian Loonie and a world-wide basket of ETFs (stock funds) out of Canada.

Any suggestions would be appreciated as SHTF times cannot be too far off. Oh and with bummer in office nobody really knows what could happen tomorrow. ;-(


13 posted on 05/28/2011 10:34:16 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Oculus III

In my humble opinion we are head at best for an Argentina type economic collapse ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6_i8zuffs ) and I have the feeling it will be soon.

For those who haven’t prepared and would like to start or for those that have and are just interested you may download my Preparedness Manual at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3


14 posted on 05/28/2011 10:41:43 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

PING!


15 posted on 05/28/2011 10:43:22 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: JRandomFreeper
"...eat the dogs,...I'll bet that real Americans come out of this doing just fine. Pretenders? Meh... not so good."

Good comment! Around me, there are multitudes of more horses than people--those stylin', bipartisan "horse properties," you know. ...probably more horses than cattle! So we have a clue as to what those upper middle class folks living off of debt will be dining on before long.


16 posted on 05/28/2011 10:49:24 PM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: Oculus III

a run on the dollar is pretty much inevitable at this point. Everyone knows the US is going that route, has no political will to even try to contain the gushing of deficit spending, and many are just waiting for the ball to really start rolling. Given the depth of the dollar fx and treasury market, it should be interesting.


17 posted on 05/28/2011 10:59:26 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: familyop

\The first thing you do when you find yourself in a hole is quit digging.


18 posted on 05/28/2011 11:06:21 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (By the Banks, Of the Banks. and For the Banks.. Sure way to bankruptcy.)
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To: Tunehead54
Any suggestions would be appreciated as SHTF times cannot be too far off.

Lead, copper and brass are good moves, as are storable carbohydrates. If you have land, pigs, chickens and cows look good for the forseable future. (Only if you eat eggs and sausage for breakfast and beef for dinner).

We're rich. Our land is plentiful. God provided us everything we need. Put not your faith in man.

Unless, of course, he's grilling a freshly killed pig.

Skillsets also help, but they take time to acquire. No royal road to knowledge.

/johnny

19 posted on 05/28/2011 11:07:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tunehead54
"Just so you know right now I’m backing the US and our good guys cutting our government outlays drastically - it has to be done."

I agree very much with all of the rest of your comment. Thank you. It was great. But I do disagree with the quoted part of it above and fear that the politicians will continue to do what their favored constituents want: to continue paying them by riding the debt regime as far as it will take us.

I see a default ahead, something like that of Argentina's but with some cultural differences. Hopefully, you're getting ready with manual technical skills development included in preparedness and will form friendships with engineers and the technically inclined.


20 posted on 05/28/2011 11:08:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Oculus III

marker


21 posted on 05/28/2011 11:12:20 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: familyop
I see a default ahead, something like that of Argentina's but with some cultural differences

I don't see much changing on my street except for the old broad on SS finally kicking off when her savings go to zero. The rest of us will struggle on, taming the land, avoiding the cops and other gangsters, doing what has to be done.

You know, life as usual.

/johnny

22 posted on 05/28/2011 11:16:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: familyop
One difference is so many of the 'zombies' are sure to go wild when the checks stop coming or start bouncing and then if you live in the city and aren't Amish you will certainly and quickly find yourself in a lot of hurt.

Viewers watched as news helicopters captured the beating of truck driver Reginald Denny
23 posted on 05/28/2011 11:16:20 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: BooBoo1000
"\The first thing you do when you find yourself in a hole is quit digging."

That would be good advice for local government, has-been real estate and other mob interests to follow.


24 posted on 05/28/2011 11:21:25 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: JRandomFreeper
"The rest of us will struggle on, taming the land, avoiding the cops and other gangsters, doing what has to be done.

You know, life as usual.
"

Well said, and I know what you mean. Have you looked into adding to security with camera systems with software motion detection and uploads to remote servers? That can be done with a broadband connection, some very low-light (starlight or near) cameras for about $100 or so each, and free operating systems and software that are easy to install and rock solid.

Such a system can be homebuilt without heavy expenses and help with the legalities of dealing with looky-loos, corrupt officials or home invading gangs. Just keep the videos and other documents for the Public Integrity Section of the US Justice Dept. (or other concerned agency--includes the more conservative employees who hired on long ago). It could also help with locally prosecuting trespassers, if you're on a private road.


25 posted on 05/28/2011 11:33:58 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: Kartographer

Well said. Yes, and many of those zombies might also be those accustomed to decades of government/admin/business office backstabbing (alternative criminal behavior for easier times). The same kind have committed crimes and become violent in protests in other defaulting countries.


26 posted on 05/28/2011 11:39:32 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Your tagline says it all, and yes, it is all about the math. People cannot conceive of the implosion of the American economy, and the dissolution of the United States. But it can happen, and unless many programs and oppressions are terminated immediately, it will happen.


27 posted on 05/29/2011 12:32:43 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Your punchlist, sir, closely resembles my own.


28 posted on 05/29/2011 12:36:29 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Sun

“It’s sad that our young people won’t have the America we had.”

God willing, they may have the one that our great grandfathers had. Man does not live by timeshares, playstations and internet porn alone. From your tagline, I see that you know that though.


29 posted on 05/29/2011 12:39:40 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: familyop
Have you looked into adding to security with camera systems with software motion detection and uploads to remote servers?

Are you kidding? I'm gonna spend money on hardware that breaks down when I can have dogs that love me and will die for me, keep me warm in the winter, bring food when I'm ill?

Thanks. I be a geek. I'm doing a wideband rollout in a couple of weeks.

But I'll take a dog, or even a cat over a camera and a computer.

Dog, we got history, maybe 20K years. Catz? they are on top of everything since we had things.

Computers? Yah..... whatever. I've done microcode on bare metal to really crufty scripts.

I'll take a dog.

/johnny

30 posted on 05/29/2011 12:55:58 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"Are you kidding? I'm gonna spend money on hardware that breaks down when I can have dogs that love me and will die for me, keep me warm in the winter, bring food when I'm ill?"

I wasn't suggesting getting rid of dogs. Hidden cameras are also one good deterrent against any sneaky person who might try to hurt the dogs when the owner's not looking. :-)


31 posted on 05/29/2011 1:17:18 AM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, visible cameras. Hidden ones are good for getting justice for any violence done to pets.


32 posted on 05/29/2011 1:20:16 AM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: familyop
one good deterrent against any sneaky person who might try to hurt the dogs when the owner's not looking

Dogs cover that part pretty well. I'm not talking city yapping dogs. Farm dogs do what needs to be done.

You just have to have a shovel handy to lose the evidence.

/johnny

33 posted on 05/29/2011 1:23:09 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Oculus III
If you were alive when Christ was born and you spent one million dollars every single day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars by now. But this year alone the U.S. government is going to go about 1.6 trillion dollars more into debt.

You'd have to go back to the time the Sphinx was created and spend a million a day to reach just this year's deficit.

You'd have to go back to the dawn of civilization to spend a million a day to reach the ~$3.82T federal budget.

34 posted on 05/29/2011 1:23:52 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The Obama Administration is a Kamikazi attack force. Preparing to nose over in their final plunge.


35 posted on 05/29/2011 2:13:09 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Sun

Problem. Who can the Tea Party vote for? The GOP? Yhey are partners in the crime.


36 posted on 05/29/2011 2:15:21 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Sun
It’s sad that our young people won’t have the America we had.

Actually, I'm starting to think that the next generation will do AOK. Sure, a gallon of gas may cost them twenty bucks, but they be bringing home a salary of $1 million.

However, it's *our* generation who might be forced to pay the price through non-existent or worthless Social Security and other government benefits.

We may very well end up paying for our own party - which would be justice at its finest.

37 posted on 05/29/2011 2:43:08 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Oculus III

bfl


38 posted on 05/29/2011 2:54:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Oculus III

Thank you, big brother/s

Wonder what all the “The government is here to help us” types will say when this happens.


39 posted on 05/29/2011 6:32:17 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Psalm 144
" But it can happen, and unless many programs and oppressions are terminated immediately, it will happen. "

To late.

It will happen when these programs are terminated too. There's no way back, IMO.

40 posted on 05/29/2011 8:36:05 AM PDT by blam
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To: Oculus III
"We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."

-- Winston Churchill


41 posted on 05/29/2011 9:04:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Separate school and state, before it's too late.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

If you have the money stock up and don’t wait much longer. Most Americans cannot even envision standing in lines for 3 hours to buy 2 loaves of rationed bread. Meat maybe once a week if lucky and standing in line for that too. Grocery stores with mostly empty shelves. Fresh eggs and milk good luck. Thats what will happen if we have a catastrophic collapse which seems likely. If you live in the city its going to be dammed unpleasant.


42 posted on 05/29/2011 9:08:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Oculus III

Hmmm.

Maybe “faith” shouldn’t have been placed in the Golden Cow to begin with...

Novus? Nah.

Meet the new Boss - same as the Old Ba’al
—The Who?

Nothing “novus” about dat. Fogedaboudit. Just bidness as usual.. again.


43 posted on 05/29/2011 9:53:18 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
>>Most Americans cannot even envision standing in lines
>>for 3 hours to buy 2 loaves of rationed bread.

Yep.   OTOH...


The lovely, defiant, lady in the middle was my Great grandmother.  

She was the daughter of a Volga-Russian/American blacksmith who got tired of the Bolsheviks and Czarists taking turns burning down the village, packed up his tools in a wheelbarrow... and his family onto a cattle-boat headed for the Statue of Liberty.


She remembered - and what she remembered, she taught.

Suffice it to say that being a defiant survivor is a family tradition.


 

 

44 posted on 05/29/2011 10:06:03 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

A stong looking woman.


45 posted on 05/29/2011 1:03:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Psalm 144

For the 2008 presidential election, I, and so many others did all we could to get a pro-life conservative in the White House, and as we know, just the opposite happened.

While I always have prayed, and go to Church, I realize we have to PRAY TO GOD more than ever for good political leaders, so I make sure to add that to my daily prayers, as well as do what little I can to attain that goal.


46 posted on 05/29/2011 1:05:33 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: screaminsunshine

“Problem. Who can the Tea Party vote for? The GOP? Yhey are partners in the crime.”

The Tea Party replaced the liberal Republicans with many conservatives in the primaries.

Tea Partiers are sophisticated, and realized that a 3rd party gave us politicians like Clinton.

I believe the next major election will give us even more conservatives - way more, and hopefully a pro-life conservative POTUS!


47 posted on 05/29/2011 1:11:29 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: The Duke

“However, it’s *our* generation who might be forced to pay the price through non-existent or worthless Social Security and other government benefits.

We may very well end up paying for our own party - which would be justice at its finest.”

Don’t blame me, though, I’ve done my share to advance conservatism. :)

Too bad the innocent must sometimes suffer with the guilty.

But conservatives will probably be better off, because we are preparing for the worst, and not depending on Big Government to help us out.


48 posted on 05/29/2011 1:16:20 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: familyop

“Well, visible cameras.”

For those who can’t afford a real camera, they sell fake camera props which could be a deterrent.


49 posted on 05/29/2011 1:22:43 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"Farm dogs do what needs to be done."

I hear ya. Shepherd/malamute mixes are good for that in my area. Other kinds of dogs freeze to death around here. Any dogs that run cattle without being told to, and dogs that look dangerous to people are shot on sight (open range, cowboys, and all of that). There are also the large predators (bear, mountain lions, etc.), visibility for extreme distances and regular high winds, so firearms are generally different from those in lowlands. Seven to nine months of winter, expansive unpopulated areas and quick heat exhaustion during the short summer. ...and few services that are far apart, high altitudes that render folks from lower places breathless while only walking, and so on.

My point is that different environments and climates will require different considerations. Even rural populations are thicker in the East, Midwest and around the coasts relative to some places in the West.


50 posted on 05/29/2011 1:37:07 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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