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Queen concerned that United Kingdom will be broken up
The Telegraph ^ | 5/30/2011 | Simon Johnson

Posted on 05/30/2011 12:22:50 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The Queen has indicated her concern the United Kingdom will be broken up in the wake of Alex Salmond’s landslide election victory in Scotland.

The monarch is understood to have expressed her anxiety about the Scottish National Party’s plan for an independence referendum during her weekly meeting with David Cameron at Buckingham Palace.

Palace officials have asked Downing Street to provide a constitutional expert to advise on how the referendum will be staged and the dismantling of the UK in the event of a ‘yes’ vote.

Mr Salmond, the SNP party leader, has previously moved to reassure the Royal Family and sceptical Scots by arguing that the Queen would remain head of state in Scotland following separation.

But a source close to Mr Cameron told a Sunday newspaper the monarch’s commitment to the 304-year-old Union between England and Scotland remained strong.

Although she cannot be seen to express a personal opinion, she is said to be concerned at the prospect of Britain being broken up during her reign.

“She has always been very clear about the United Kingdom and you just have to look at the way the Royal Family are committed to Scotland to see that,” the source said.

As far back as 1977, when the Labour Government was proposing Scottish devolution, she appeared to suggest she was concerned about the ramifications for the Union.

In a remark interpreted as criticism of home rule, she told MPs: “I cannot forget I was crowned Queen of the United Kingdom.”

A senior Buckingham Palace source confirmed the monarch discussed with Mr Cameron the ramifications of this month’s Scottish Parliament election. “Regardless of Her Majesty’s personal views, it is the job of her private secretary to take these issues seriously and to investigate them, and that’s precisely

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1 posted on 05/30/2011 12:22:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

If Canada is stupid enough to count itself as part of the empire, the Queen has no need for concern.


2 posted on 05/30/2011 12:24:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Scots may be concerned about England’s abandonment of its own culture in favor of Islamofascism. If I were a Scot, I wouldn’t want to be part of that, and would want to save my own country and culture.


3 posted on 05/30/2011 12:28:23 PM PDT by American Quilter (DEFUND OBAMACARE.)
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To: freedumb2003

Scotland is English for Quebec.


4 posted on 05/30/2011 12:30:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bruinbirdman

If they won’t or can’t defend the Falklands, why worry about Scotland?


5 posted on 05/30/2011 12:33:23 PM PDT by SanFranDan
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To: bruinbirdman

I don’t blame the Scots for wanting to separate.

The English and Scots are not the same people.

It is no different than the Irish no longer wanting to be part of the UK either.

I’d even go further and dump the Queen and either re-establish the Scottish monarchy or go republic.


6 posted on 05/30/2011 12:34:08 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: bruinbirdman

BRAVEHEART

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrrBs8JBQo


7 posted on 05/30/2011 12:37:11 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: bruinbirdman

The SNP are a bunch of leftist asshats spouting the usual “free” education, nuclear disarmament, blah, blah, blah. If Scotland follows their lead(SNP) they’ll go down the tube just as fast, if not faster, than England.


8 posted on 05/30/2011 12:37:19 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: American Quilter
More Muslims attend Friday prayers in Scotland each week than Presbyterians attend Sunday service.

Scotland consistently votes further to the left than England does and Labor will likely lose, on balance, more than a million votes if Scotland leaves the UK.

Scotland would be one of the most socialist countries in Europe, rivaling Greece, if it were to become independent.

9 posted on 05/30/2011 12:40:01 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: radpolis
I don’t blame the Scots for wanting to separate. The English and Scots are not the same people. It is no different than the Irish no longer wanting to be part of the UK either. I’d even go further and dump the Queen and either re-establish the Scottish monarchy or go republic.


"The trouble with Scotland is that it's full of Scots."

10 posted on 05/30/2011 12:44:46 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: freedumb2003

?? Canada does not consider itself to be part of an ‘empire’ (which does not exist). It IS part of the Commonwealth, but does not give up any sovereignty by that, any more than the US does by being a member of NATO (actually less).


11 posted on 05/30/2011 12:45:12 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: radpolis
The Scots are extremely socialist!
Labor's strongest boroughs are in Scotland.
The SNP socialists are just itching to get control of the North Sea oil and spend it for the good of the proletariat.
Also when I was last in Edinburgh I saw a lot of Muzzies, so I am not sure they SNP will do much to defend Scottish culture either!

Actually England might want to kick the Scots and Welsh out, remember each then have their own Parliaments and are represented in Westminster, While the English are only represented once at Westminster. There is growing resentment of that inequality in England.

12 posted on 05/30/2011 12:46:14 PM PDT by Reily
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To: bruinbirdman
The Labour Party would be hit hard by Scottish secession ...
13 posted on 05/30/2011 12:47:09 PM PDT by Jim 726
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To: expatpat

But God Save The Queen anyway :)


14 posted on 05/30/2011 12:47:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: bruinbirdman
She keeps cow-towing with the obamas and it just might.

WOOKIEBUSH
15 posted on 05/30/2011 12:49:42 PM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: radpolis

>The English and Scots are not the same people.

Southerners can’t relate to the San Fran libtards either.


16 posted on 05/30/2011 12:50:36 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: freedumb2003

Legally, her claim to the King of Canada goes through the treaty of Paris in 1762, during the reign of then King George III.

This is older than the creation of the United Kingdom. So say what you will, she is Queen of Canada moreso than Queen of the United Kingdom.

Her claims to the Kingdom of Scotland come through James VI and I. Devolution is either a consequence or a precursor of the unwinding of the Test Act. She is only Queen of Scotland because of the Glorious Revolution. It would actually be Otto of Bavaria who would be the current King of Scotland, should they devolve, and wish to undo the union of the crown (and not become a republic).

Plenty of changes wrought.


17 posted on 05/30/2011 12:52:09 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Faster. The need handouts from London.


18 posted on 05/30/2011 12:52:09 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

I figured that, but wasn’t sure.


19 posted on 05/30/2011 1:00:08 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: bruinbirdman
Best thing the Queen can do to save the UK is to get rid of ‘The London School of Economics’...it's code for ‘Socialists Ur Us’ or an another $oro$ funded, 'Global Fascists Greenhouse’.
20 posted on 05/30/2011 1:00:20 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Too bad Queenie. She ought to be more worried about Sharia law in Britain kicking her and her useless eater family out when the Muzzies completely take over.


21 posted on 05/30/2011 1:00:52 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
They may be a "bunch of leftist asshats". However, that is no reason for Scotland to remain in the UK.

From the Declaration of Arbroath, 1320:

"But from these countless evils we have been set free, by the help of Him Who though He afflicts yet heals and restores, by our most tireless Prince, King and Lord, the Lord Robert. He, that his people and his heritage might be delivered out of the hands of our enemies, met toil and fatigue, hunger and peril, like another Macabaeus or Joshua and bore them cheerfully. Him, too, divine providence, his right of succession according to or laws and customs which we shall maintain to the death, and the due consent and assent of us all have made our Prince and King. To him, as to the man by whom salvation has been wrought unto our people, we are bound both by law and by his merits that our freedom may be still maintained, and by him, come what may, we mean to stand. Yet if he should give up what he has begun, and agree to make us or our kingdom subject to the King of England or the English, we should exert ourselves at once to drive him out as our enemy and a subverter of his own rights and ours, and make some other man who was well able to defend us our King; for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

22 posted on 05/30/2011 1:01:14 PM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: sauropod

As soon as the Scots figure out that the state teat is going to be much smaller without England forking over a bunch they will change their leftist asshat minds.
If they were a bunch of conservatives wanting to get away from England because of England’s liberal policies I’d cheer them on.


23 posted on 05/30/2011 1:08:55 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: BenKenobi
I have no patience or use for Socialist thieves, Communist thieves, Muzzie thieves, or Kings and Queen's.

That Monarchy crap died a slow death about 100 years ago.

The Queen of England is a classy lady, here offspring will not be so.

As far as Scotland goes, I like their brogue and their ornery attitude. Pass on most of their food. Thank them for Adam Smith and the Scots-Irish who helped the U.S. fight wars.

24 posted on 05/30/2011 1:14:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: bruinbirdman
England needs independence far, far, far more than Wales (which was part of England itself from 1535 to 1955), Scotland, or Northern Ireland. Not only is England the only constituent part of the UK without its own parliament or assembly (Westminster is the British parliament), but England's national identity has been totally swallowed up in British identity in a way those of other UK countries haven't.

England sacrificed itself to become the federal capital territory of the UK while the Celts are celebrating their various nationalisms.

25 posted on 05/30/2011 1:25:24 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Actually, I understand the UK political landscape correctly, Scotland going independent will make the UK MORE conservative.
This might be a very good thing.


26 posted on 05/30/2011 1:25:35 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: American Quilter
The Scots may be concerned about England’s abandonment of its own culture in favor of Islamofascism. If I were a Scot, I wouldn’t want to be part of that, and would want to save my own country and culture.

The Scots (and the Welsh) are commie left wing nationalists.

27 posted on 05/30/2011 1:28:54 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: BenKenobi
This is older than the creation of the United Kingdom. So say what you will, she is Queen of Canada moreso than Queen of the United Kingdom.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain was created on May 1, 1707.

You are probably thinking of the admission of Ireland as a full constituent member of the UK in 1801.

28 posted on 05/30/2011 1:32:14 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: bruinbirdman

They want to be independent? Fine, but let’s not have any romantic notions about the SNP. Obama would be proud of the SNP’s agenda. Here are a few items from their Manifesto ( http://manifesto.votesnp.com/ ):

“Moving to universal free childccare to match the best in Europe. Speeding up the delivery of a Scottish high-speed rail network. Becoming Europe’s green energy powerhouse. Delivering a carbon-neutral Scotland. Contributing to international peace-keeping and peace-building not illegal wars. Freeing Scotland from nuclear weapons.”

“We have passed the industrialized world’s most ambitious Climate Change legislation and are working hard to deliver a 42% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2020.

“We know Scotland can be a voice for peace and justice in the world. Instead of wars and nuclear weapons, we believe Scotland’s contribution to the world should be based on peace, fair trade, sustainability and social justice.”

“...Ensure a more rapid expansion of electric vehicles on Scotland’s roads.”

“...We have guaranteed that the revenue budget of the Scottish NHS will be protected in real terms. That means that in four years’ time the budget of the NHS will be more than 1 billion Pounds higher than it is today. No privatisation of the Scottish NHS.”

“Firearms: Propose the creation of a new Ballistics ‘DNA’ Database so each and every firerm in Sccotland can be tracked. All new guns would be test-fired before being sold to record the unique marks or scratches the gun leaves on the bullet when it fires.”

“The SNP believes Scottish Higher Education should be free.

http://manifesto.votesnp.com/


29 posted on 05/30/2011 1:32:57 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yes, in it’s current form, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

The 1707 Act of Union formed Great Britain.


30 posted on 05/30/2011 1:35:29 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: Texas Fossil

“The Queen of England is a classy lady, here offspring will not be so.”

As compared to Obama?


31 posted on 05/30/2011 1:37:42 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: bruinbirdman

It is Obama’s fault. If he had stayed home the Queen would have had no worries.


32 posted on 05/30/2011 1:44:53 PM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: BenKenobi
Yes, in it’s current form, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

The 1707 Act of Union formed Great Britain.

Its current form (from 1921) is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

But it's more complicated than that. Wales was a colony of England from about 1282 until 1535 when it was annexed and became part of England proper. It was part of England proper until it was separated in 1955.

The crowns were united in 1603 when Elizabeth I died and James VI of Scotland became James I of England. The Union Jack was created to symbolize the united crowns in 1606.

For a short time under Oliver Cromwell England and Scotland were united under a single government, but they were then separated again until the Act of Union in 1707.

33 posted on 05/30/2011 1:47:34 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The U.K. is not able to afford it’s own defense from any real military threat; it’s really relying on the U.S. to backstop them militarily.

If Scotland completely breaks away from the U.K., their national defense will be a complete joke.

In much of the Commonwealth there is so much focus on the politics of getting out of the U.K., they fall on their face in most every real issue. I mean, if China wanted to come kick Canada’s a$$ and enslave the Canadians to grow wheat for them, and if the U.S. did absolutely nothing about it, it would take all of about a month to happen. The rest of the Commonwealth would be encapable of helping them.


34 posted on 05/30/2011 1:48:57 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: BenKenobi

Yeash, but Obama will be gone in either two years, or six years. But he WILL be gone eventually.


35 posted on 05/30/2011 1:58:40 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Is there anyone that Obama won't toss under the bus?)
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To: BenKenobi

Whale poop on the bottom of the ocean is higher than Obozo.

FUBO! And your Commie Minions.


36 posted on 05/30/2011 2:03:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
" they will change their leftist asshat minds"

When the British Labor Party realizes how many 'guaranteed' Scottish Labor seats they would lose in Westminster, they will suddenly be in favor of retaining the Union. It is all about retaining power.

37 posted on 05/30/2011 2:13:22 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Vermont Lt

Charles is 62.

He’s only 2 and a half years shy of the record. That might be an interesting wager. Who lasts longer, Charles or Obama.


38 posted on 05/30/2011 2:19:04 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Yep, and they’ll have to stop sucking at the British taxpayers teat as well.


39 posted on 05/30/2011 2:27:17 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: PieterCasparzen

|In much of the Commonwealth there is so much focus on the politics of getting out of the U.K., they fall on their face in most every real issue. I mean, if China wanted to come kick Canada’s a$$ and enslave the Canadians to grow wheat for them, and if the U.S. did absolutely nothing about it, it would take all of about a month to happen. The rest of the Commonwealth would be encapable of helping them.”

How would they reach Canada? How are they going to supply their jets?

They could fit maybe 5k men on one transport that was capable of sailing around the world. That, plus the supplies.

Say they land with 5000 men in Vancouver, they wouldn’t be able to do it unannounced, not sailing past Esquimault.

How long would it take to disembark? Where would they land the boat? Coal Harbour?

Esquimalt alone has 6 frigates and 1 destroyer. The PRC has by my count 6 boats in the same class of Canada. So if they were willing to sacrifice all of their best boats, and were willing and able to sail them all the way to Vancouver, they could land.

I don’t think it’s possible, given the Canadian naval and air resources. There would be more people on the freeway at the time than the people they could land.


40 posted on 05/30/2011 2:35:48 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: bruinbirdman
If Scotland resumes its independence, does the Queen become Queen of Scotland as a separate title, or do the Scots pick a different monarch (the obvious one would be the head of the House of Wittelsbach, who have the best genealogical claim going back to the Stuarts), or does Scotland become a republic?

Or maybe they could become the fifth maritime province of Canada, which already has a Nova Scotia--they could call themselves Vetus Scotia.

41 posted on 05/30/2011 2:41:01 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Scotsman will be Free

That’s true. My understanding is that a lot of the state support in the UK goes to Scotland. I’m not arguing with you over that.

I’m just saying, as someone that feels his ancestry very keenly, that I really believe Scotland would be better off to be out of the UK.


42 posted on 05/30/2011 4:39:40 PM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Shut up you German hag. Seriously, this imbred import has spent her career worrying more about her role in the Commonwealth and giving Rhodesia to the communists than about "her own" subjects. The truth is that under her, Britain is being invaded and has applauded it. She is a female figurehead Vortigern. (If you don't know British history, do look up Vortigern. The tale of that traitor king is no longer taught)

As for the SNP, they are a bunch of socialists €false nationalists. The extent of their "nationalism" is a desire to get all the revenue from North Atlantic oil rather than sharing it, and to be their own state/subject nation of the EU. Were they actual nationalists, they would say something about immigration. Instead, they like the dependence and dispossession it causes, as their entire raison d'etre is grievance politics and greed.
43 posted on 05/30/2011 10:02:54 PM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: radpolis
I’d even go further and dump the Queen and either re-establish the Scottish monarchy ,,,,,

The Queen is the Scottish monarch. Ever since the Union of he Crowns in 1603, the Monarch has been no less and no more King or Queen of Scotland than King or Queen of England. It would be perfectly possible for an independent Scotland to retain the Queen as Head of State (as has, of course, happened with several other countries).

44 posted on 05/31/2011 12:33:42 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: sauropod

“I’m just saying, as someone that feels his ancestry very keenly, that I really believe Scotland would be better off to be out of the UK.”
Only if they became a conservative country. Otherwise they will simply trod down the same worn out socialist path as England. What’s the point?


45 posted on 05/31/2011 5:41:21 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Pride of country?


46 posted on 05/31/2011 8:45:48 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: SanFranDan

a—we do.
b—we can, any Argie attack now would never get off the beach.


47 posted on 05/31/2011 8:49:03 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Not all of us.


48 posted on 05/31/2011 8:49:57 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: rmlew
I applaud the entirety of your post #43! With one possible exception.

If Vortigern had not invited the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes to Britain, England and the English language would never have existed in the first place.

49 posted on 05/31/2011 9:35:03 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: the scotsman
Not all of us.

And thank G-d for that!

50 posted on 05/31/2011 9:36:23 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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