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Group protests SWAT death of Tucson Marine (AZ)
azfamily.com ^ | 30 May, 2011 | Associated Press and Jared Dillingham

Posted on 05/31/2011 6:10:34 AM PDT by marktwain

TUCSON, Ariz. – The death of a former Marine near Tucson continues to stir controversy.

A group spent this Memorial Day protesting the SWAT raid which led to his death. Investigation documents reveal officers seized guns, banking documents and other items from the home but did not find drugs or cash.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; dupnik; guerena; joseguerena; oathkeepers; pimacounty; swat; tucson
"The Pima County Sheriff's Office maintains the officers followed protocol during the raid"

They may have followed protocol. The question is whether the protocol was illegal or wrong.

1 posted on 05/31/2011 6:10:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Sounds like a Lawsuit waiting to happen. The widow needs to be in contact with a lawyer.


2 posted on 05/31/2011 6:12:06 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: marktwain
Protocol my a$$$! Did they go there to kill this guy and why?

Or was it another mistaken address due to a dispatcher who can't speak clearly?????

3 posted on 05/31/2011 6:15:51 AM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: marktwain
Group protests SWAT murder of Tucson Marine.
4 posted on 05/31/2011 6:17:48 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: marktwain
Investigation documents reveal officers seized guns, banking documents...

Good thing they killed him. He had guns and banking documents.

5 posted on 05/31/2011 6:20:41 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: marktwain
They are sure trying to not give the "Oath Keepers" the exposure in the press.

A group spent this Memorial Day protesting the SWAT raid which led to his death. Investigation documents reveal officers seized guns, banking documents and other items from the home but did not find drugs or cash.

6 posted on 05/31/2011 6:23:59 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: marktwain
"officers followed protocol"

- Obtain search warrant (even if only a relative of the real suspects)

- Call out amateur SWAT team with dubious rules of engagement.

- Approach home at night.

- Alert residents of dubious characters casing the joint.

- Wait for residents to get to guns

- Knock, wait 4 seconds, blast door.

- Enter while tripping.

- See resident with gun

- Squeeze off 70 rounds (+ 1 breaching round)

- Withdraw

- Wait until resident has bled out

- Blame resident for his own death

- Receive commendations

7 posted on 05/31/2011 6:25:06 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: AAABEST

My goodness, he’s lucky he didn’t build a brick wall around his lot ~ they’d called it a COMPOUND!


8 posted on 05/31/2011 6:55:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; archy; Squantos; CodeToad

Everybody should read the critiques of the raid based on the helmet cam video by a former SWAT cop.

This was the Keystone Kommandos, bungling and stumbling their way into this fatal fiasco.

If/when it goes to court, SWAT experts are going to solidly condemn this Tucson cluster foxtrot.


9 posted on 05/31/2011 6:57:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: marktwain

Mark!


10 posted on 05/31/2011 6:58:55 AM PDT by sport
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To: Texas Fossil

Actually, they omitted the jewelery and cash they found and took from the report. But the good news is, they found everything they planted.


11 posted on 05/31/2011 7:02:04 AM PDT by sport
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To: Paladin2

“Approach home at night.”

I thought it was around 9:30 AM, after he got home from a 12 hour night shift.


12 posted on 05/31/2011 7:07:29 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: marktwain

Protocol? Raid?

They barely entered, and started shooting.


13 posted on 05/31/2011 7:08:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
You are most likely correct. I was just working from memory.

The other point not covered to date was: Given that there were 4 houses more or less simultaneously (protected and) served and this house was most likely the one of least interest, there would have been four SWAT teams with this one most likely being The D Team.

14 posted on 05/31/2011 7:17:21 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

SWAT officers have stated that they were briefed that he was THE “bad guy “ that very morning.
As sad as it is, it seems his was the “A” team.


15 posted on 05/31/2011 7:29:07 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: Travis McGee

“If/when it goes to court, SWAT experts are going to solidly condemn this Tucson cluster foxtrot.”

I sure as Hell hope so. Those criminals need to go to prison.


16 posted on 05/31/2011 7:30:50 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: PalmettoMason

So were there SWAT teams at the other locations?


17 posted on 05/31/2011 8:41:45 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

So, why didn’t they arrest him as he went to or left from work...


18 posted on 05/31/2011 8:44:32 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

“So, why didn’t they arrest him as he went to or left from work...”

As I’ve posted many times, I think they should have served the search warrant on the wife while he was at work. No SWAT required. But I guess the logistics of four simultaneous house raids may have made that difficult.


19 posted on 05/31/2011 8:52:50 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

They should have the sheriff serve the warrant after knocking on the door and waiting for the occupant to answer.

“Putting on the big boy pants and doing your job” must be considered too scary.


20 posted on 05/31/2011 8:55:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Travis McGee; Lurker; FreedomPoster; Berlin_Freeper; SeeSac
That was a total amateur clusterf#ck of a tactical entry. They're lucky the dead marine did not intend them harm as he woulda shot them full of holes stacked all up in the doorway close together like bowling pins. They're lucky there was not another bad guy posted up unseen waiting for the first burst to stop before filling the doorway and some LE with holes. The LE invaders were very lucky these were not a real armed gang running a robbing crew with some seasoned"soldiers" and the professional, competent ring of lookouts, delivery guys, and "LE Liason" that accompanies latino crime operations.

Of course, Pina county prolly knew that. Very telling that these SWAT teams, armed and outfitted better than the average infantry company in the sandbox(For urban house clearing ops)do more raids on average folks than they do on the latino crime org's running the drug transport/distribution business nationwide. It's not like they ain't there. Here in Atlanta, the major transport hub of the SE, the last major takedown of the latino drug org was 2005. Meanwhile, here in Cobb county, 30 some odd LE's complete with tactical team were sent after my neighbor's 19 yo son over a probation violation. He was at his gf's mother's place, a wooded parcel around 100 acres with horse farm bordering a decent patch of woods with the entire back side cut off with a good size creek.

After busting down mom's door, A longtime RN, and finding nothing...dogs and 4 wheelers were called in. 3 hours were spent searching for this 19 yo and his gf, who were sound asleep in a brightly colored tent not 40 yards off the main trail on the edge of a open field that the searchers never bothered to check. How many thousands of bucks worth of men and toys? Over a non violent 19 yo on probation for petty theft, who BTW, is about to take his GED(I helped him).

This is not an isolated incident. The local tactical teams are used regularly for bs like this more than they are against armed drug gangs.

I'm about to post a vanity about a tragic, dumb, no knock raid that claimed 2 lives. One was the elderly home owner, the other was the first LE ever killed in the line of duty in my home county, Douglas county, just west of Cobb. A SD loaded top to bottom with professional, respected, and liked men. The leadership are all longtime LE from within the dept.

It pains me to post this. This isn't nothing like most bad raids. This isn't like Arizona where the dept is rotten from the top. These were not goon LE's on the team, nor would this team ever approach the level of incompetence shown by the Arizona team.

DCSD knows there was a bad call made that cost lives. Those involved with making it were devastated and will prolly carry this burden to their graves.

The reason I feel compelled to post this in a vanity for discussion is: I feel very strongly about this issue. Things need to change. This is a case where neither side has anything but the base issue to talk about. The "COP HATER" crowd cannot come in here with any of their BS because I openly stated from the get go how I feel about this dept. No one is calling for LE heads to roll here. No one from the other side can sling comments that might be deserving and ring true, but only serve to give the "COPHATER" crowd what they need to deflect

Nothing but the root cause of the issue is open for discussion. I earnestly hope SOME form of progress is made on this issue by me posting this and is my sole motive for posting. I will ping both sides when I'm done.

See y'all then.

21 posted on 05/31/2011 9:16:41 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (I got a fever and the only prescription is more watermelon trickworm.)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

It is embarrassing to be found shot dead with your safety on.


22 posted on 05/31/2011 9:46:35 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Paladin2

You left out “shoot the owner’s dog” on the list...


23 posted on 05/31/2011 10:39:34 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
prolly?
24 posted on 05/31/2011 1:30:36 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: Paladin2

There were SWAT teams at the other locations though I do not know if the same one from JG’s house was used again. One raid was conducted simultaneously. I think it is the one that netted the $92K and the bag of weed. (ziploc bag or trash bag or lawn trash bag??) I do not believe that Alex Guerena was home when that raid was conducted—just women and children—but he showed up later and was questioned but not arrested at the time. The other two houses were raided several hours later. No one lived at one of the houses, and I don’t know about the second one.


25 posted on 05/31/2011 1:35:46 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Paladin2

BTW, this raid occurred at 9:32am. The inside of the house was dark because the guy who lived in it worked the graveyard shift and had just returned home and been asleep for about two hours.


26 posted on 05/31/2011 1:40:19 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: PalmettoMason

You have jumped to the wrong conclusion ... biased?


27 posted on 05/31/2011 1:42:32 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: CodeToad

>>“If/when it goes to court, SWAT experts are going to solidly condemn this Tucson cluster foxtrot.”
>
>I sure as Hell hope so. Those criminals need to go to prison.

I disagree.

They need to hang by the neck until dead... preferably in a public place.


28 posted on 05/31/2011 2:17:34 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

Marines and Patriot riders need to show up to protest.


29 posted on 05/31/2011 2:23:49 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: SeeSac
You have jumped to the wrong conclusion...

How so?

biased?

Probably. After what is probably hundreds of hours of MOUT training while in the military, I find it hard to believe this was the "A" team.

If it WAS the "A" team, the citizens of Tucson had better beware.

30 posted on 05/31/2011 2:24:43 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: marktwain

Swat teams need to be disbanded completely.


31 posted on 05/31/2011 2:34:08 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: petitfour

Thanks.


32 posted on 05/31/2011 3:05:54 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: subterfuge

There were probably no dogs to shoot. The protocol would likely include all barking or running dogs both on the property and on adjoining parcels and in the street.


33 posted on 05/31/2011 3:11:21 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: sr4402
Sounds like a Lawsuit waiting to happen. The widow needs to be in contact with a lawyer.

They do have one already. I bet they were lining up. I hope he's good, and a vicious fighter.

34 posted on 05/31/2011 9:18:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Paladin2
There were probably no dogs to shoot. The protocol would likely include all barking or running dogs both on the property and on adjoining parcels and in the street.

Tucson protocol:

1. Knock lightly

2. Toss in flash bangs

3. Ventilate homeowner with a few dozen rounds

4. Eliminate any potential canine witnesses

5. Double check address

6. Contact SWAT staff attorney and initiate damage control

7. Call paramedics for homeowner

35 posted on 05/31/2011 9:22:29 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Paladin2

We seem to be thinking along the same lines. I’ve started calling it the “Tucson Protocol”.


36 posted on 05/31/2011 9:25:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

http://pimasheriff.org/about-us/organization-charts/operations-bureau/support-operations-division/tactical-response-section/s-w-a-t/


37 posted on 05/31/2011 9:56:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Still Thinking
"The Tactical Emergency Medical Support element provides emergency medical support to the entire SWAT team and suspects or victims requiring emergency medical services. TEMS is staffed by paramedics from the Pima County Sheriff's Department. The paramedics are fully integrated into the Tactical element and respond to all missions where SWAT is involved."
38 posted on 05/31/2011 9:59:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Vigilantcitizen

Can you ping me when you post your article, I’ll read it and comment.

My husband was questioned by the Tucson PD detectives years ago. He was innocent of any of the charges but they were very unprofessional. He avoids police to this day. After all the crap that Dupnik said in January this really stinks.


39 posted on 06/01/2011 12:13:19 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

“Walking A Mile In Freedom’s Shoes: Oath Keepers Muster * Tucson * Memorial Day, May 30, 2011”

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/06/03/walking-a-mile-in-freedom%E2%80%99s-shoes-oath-keepers-muster-tucson-memorial-day-may-30-2011/?cp=2

“The pace of the march, the length of the flag-carrying procession, the somberness in the rhythm of the march, the dignity of singular-minded people coming together in purpose and walking upon the earth in procession, is as primordial and potent as it gets. The moment of the march shall live forever.”


30 Minutes.

Oath Keepers Muster.


40 posted on 06/04/2011 7:21:30 AM PDT by NoNAIS (Yet another Government program not needed.)
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