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Willowick SWAT team called to home [for his own good]
News-Hearald ^ | 31 May 2011 | Tracey Read

Posted on 05/31/2011 2:43:52 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Willowick police responded this morning to a SWAT situation at a home in the 200 block of East 330th Street.

A woman called officers at 2:20 a.m. saying she had a disagreement with her boyfriend, who had walked to his home nearby.

“He kind of indicated to her that he was going to kill himself with a gun,” Willowick Police Chief Michael Lazor said.

“He had a CCW permit and his girlfriend thought he had assault weapons. There was concern he might be suicidal.”

Around 4:15 a.m., Emergency Response Team negotiators were called out to the scene.

Police repeatedly attempted to reach the man by phone, but he never answered even though it appeared he was up and awake.

The commander of the team decided to use a flash bang — a device that creates a big flash of blinding light and makes a loud noise — on the front lawn to get the man’s attention.

“It worked. He came out and saw the police,” said the chief. “I don’t believe he knew the officers were there before because it was so dark.”

The man was taken into custody for his own safety and taken for a routine medical evaluation.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 4tha; 4thamendment; banglist; ccw; donutwatch; nannystate; ohio; policeoveracting; policestate; swat; swatabuse
?? Police can raid your house and send you off for psych evaluation based on hearsay information from your girlfriend ??
1 posted on 05/31/2011 2:43:54 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

“Don’t shoot yourself, or we’ll shoot!”


2 posted on 05/31/2011 2:45:36 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: smokingfrog

Constitution? We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution!


3 posted on 05/31/2011 2:51:53 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: smokingfrog

Ah, yes: we’re from the government, and we’re here to help


4 posted on 05/31/2011 2:54:02 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: smokingfrog

He’s very lucky they didn’t shoot him.


5 posted on 05/31/2011 2:56:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: smokingfrog

SWAT for a reported suicide? Are you frigging kidding me? What a bunch of BS, waste of time, taxpayer money and materiel. Good grief!


6 posted on 05/31/2011 3:00:11 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: smokingfrog

How’s the dog?


7 posted on 05/31/2011 3:02:42 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: smokingfrog
“I don’t believe he knew the officers were there before because it was so dark.”

Good thing he didn't investigate the disturbance with his gun.

8 posted on 05/31/2011 3:06:35 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: smokingfrog

The story has almost no details so who knows what the guy did or said when he came out of his house

Normal SWAT tactics would be one door tap dymanic entry blow the guy away and then ask questions. So it looks like SWAT did the right thing

In florida the police can “baker act” if they think you are a danger to yourself or others


9 posted on 05/31/2011 3:06:51 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Rebelbase

10 posted on 05/31/2011 3:07:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Popman
Normal SWAT tactics would be one door tap dymanic entry blow the guy away and then ask questions.

Ah yes, the "Tucson Protocol".

11 posted on 05/31/2011 3:08:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: smokingfrog

“?? Police can raid your house and send you off for psych evaluation based on hearsay information from your girlfriend ??”

Ha! That’s nothing compared to what you’re wife can have them do to you if she ever says that you hit or threatened her! Or what any random woman can do if she decides to call in a false rape allegation against you. We live in a police state were unfounded allegations have a similar effect to what used to happen in the old Soviet Union, welcome to Amerika comrade!


12 posted on 05/31/2011 3:08:27 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Rebelbase
How's the dog?


13 posted on 05/31/2011 3:08:27 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Still Thinking

1. Convert homeowner to Swiss cheese with close to a hundred rounds.

2. Eradicate any dogs.

3. Double check address.


14 posted on 05/31/2011 3:09:18 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: smokingfrog

>>Police repeatedly attempted to reach the man by phone, but he never answered even though it appeared he was up and awake.

I routinely turn the ringer off on my phone when I go to bed at night. I didn’t know that could get me cuffed and stuffed and sent off for evaluation.

He’s lucky to be alive. The SWATstapo usually doesn’t leave live witnesses.


15 posted on 05/31/2011 3:24:34 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: smokingfrog

Who came up with this plan?

Send a SWAT team to make him feel even worse and perhaps provoke an ‘incident’ yeah, that’ll work.

Is this the standard response for most calls now?

Despondent male – send in the SWAT team!

Search warrant – send in the SWAT team!

Cat up in a tree – send in the SWAT team!


16 posted on 05/31/2011 3:26:43 PM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: Still Thinking

Yes, Shoot first (71 times), ask questions later (at least an hour later).


17 posted on 05/31/2011 3:29:27 PM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Hangnail – send in the SWAT team!


18 posted on 05/31/2011 3:34:38 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: smokingfrog

This episode, my friends, is what’s known as “getting even”. They had an argument, he left, and she wanted to get back at him in any way she could, so she decided to call the law on him and use them to do her “dirty” work. He isn’t suicidal, never was. He is guilty only of not giving in to her irrational (probably liberal) demands.


19 posted on 05/31/2011 3:36:08 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: smokingfrog

?? Police can raid your house and send you off for psych evaluation based on hearsay information from your girlfriend ??

Happened in the old USSR all the time!


20 posted on 05/31/2011 3:38:01 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: smokingfrog
The commander of the team decided to use a flash bang — a device that creates a big flash of blinding light and makes a loud noise — on the front lawn to get the man’s attention.

“It worked. He came out and saw the police,” said the chief. “I don’t believe he knew the officers were there before because it was so dark.”


They need to modernize and get some of those red and blue lights.

21 posted on 05/31/2011 3:47:00 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Reminds me of an event here in our area several years ago. Ex wife called police and told them ex husband was acting “weirdly” , had been drinking all day and had a GUN!

Swat sneaked up on house, popped a couple of flashbangs, hubbie came around corner and shined flashlight at swat, swat cut him into hamburger!

Coroner said there were no drugs or alcohol or gun on suspect.

Sounded like murder to me, but I am prejudiced!


22 posted on 05/31/2011 3:56:38 PM PDT by Howie
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To: smokingfrog

Silly me. I thought SWAT teams existed to deal with actual criminals who were doing actual illegal things in a manner that required more then the normal officer could safely handle.


23 posted on 05/31/2011 4:05:17 PM PDT by matt04
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To: trapped_in_LA

That is what I got out of this.

That is just freaking crazy.

Man- every day it gets worse-— we really are living in the 80’s USSR-— complete and utter illegitimacy of the ruling class, and to such an extent it is now comical.

While it is just us conservatives for the moment, I can see with even my liberal co-workers here in NYC, the ruling class has almost lost ALL legitimacy.

When the common people think of you and everything you proclaim as a joke and so absurd it is just laughed off... then it is only a matter of time before you’re gone from one way or another. We are at the very start, but it won’t take long to finish.


24 posted on 05/31/2011 4:09:49 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Infidel Inside)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I say bad reporting.

you never have a cop just take a person to an involuntary evaluation.

He had to have done SOMETHING.


25 posted on 05/31/2011 4:10:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: smokingfrog
The man was taken into custody for his own safety and taken for a routine medical evaluation. One weapon — a Glock pistol — was found in the home.

Whoa. Wait a second.

The SWAT team is called because they think he is suicidal and he complys with them........and then they search his home after he is taken away. WTF ?

I wonder if they even asked. I would bet good money they had no search warrant at all to enter his home.

26 posted on 05/31/2011 4:29:52 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: matt04
I thought SWAT teams existed to deal with actual criminals who were doing actual illegal things in a manner that required more then the normal officer could safely handle.

Maybe normal officers can't handle very much these days?

27 posted on 05/31/2011 4:33:27 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: smokingfrog

Choose your friends wisely. Even Chris Rock is smart enough to tell you not to piss off your girlfriend when the police can be involved. This should be no surprise. This is a classic catch 22. Mental health titles provide for evaluation when there are grounds to believe that you may be a threat to yourself or others. A “named witness” alleging that you have made “credible threats” virtually assures that you will be taken into custody and evaluated. Failure to act on the part of the police would be dereliction of duty.
Be very careful about sharing.


28 posted on 05/31/2011 4:36:03 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: smokingfrog
Hmmmm -maybe he didn't answer the phone because he thought it was her calling.

I wonder if the lady (Hell hath no fury like...) called and added ‘assault weapons’ which he did not have, hoping they'd pull a SWAT Raid like so many we hear of....and he would end up very dead.

He's probably well rid of her -

29 posted on 05/31/2011 5:24:04 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (.WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Bryanw92

Same here. Cell phone get turned off at night or left in another room.

Same thing with the house phone. I just unplug the base station until the morning.


30 posted on 05/31/2011 6:05:20 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Bryanw92

That poor guy in Arizona can attest to that.


31 posted on 05/31/2011 6:11:21 PM PDT by sport
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To: smokingfrog

Just wait until they decide to call in SWAT because you are eating too much salt and not enough arugula.


32 posted on 05/31/2011 6:11:33 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: smokingfrog

They did, so I suppose that they can. This is not the same Country that it was. The police can do as they damn well please. And when they please.


33 posted on 05/31/2011 6:14:51 PM PDT by sport
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To: smokingfrog

You got a permit for that???


34 posted on 05/31/2011 6:20:06 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Popman

They don’t need a warrant any more the Supreme Court ruled the Fourth Amendment is just a joke.


35 posted on 05/31/2011 6:24:03 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: stevie_d_64

A firearms permit has become a permit for the police to legally take you out as a threat.

The influential anti-gun organizations are pushing that as policy, just like they are pushing to consider those with anti-abortion bumper stickers as terrorists. http://www.newswithviews.com/Mary/starrett197.htm


36 posted on 05/31/2011 7:15:27 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: stevie_d_64

Sure thing. Even paid the tax stamp fee for the silencer. ;)


37 posted on 05/31/2011 8:18:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

It happens every day. I listen to the scanner almost every waking hour and there were three tactical situations related to second hand “suicidal threats” in my county of about 600,000 today.

Granted, none of them involved flash bangs, but the cops set up on the houses and made the occupants come out. In one case, the occupant came out and got into his car, not knowing the cops were out there. They stopped his car and eventually let him go since there was no evidence he was any threat to himself or others.


38 posted on 05/31/2011 8:24:23 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: meyer

He needs a new girlfriend. His old one can be labeled psycho ex GF.


39 posted on 05/31/2011 10:09:04 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Perhaps. Having been a cop for 30 years I can tell you that there are some very ignorant ones who have no clue what it is they are allowed or authorized to do and as a result screw up by the numbers more often than you want to know.
Also, having swat respond to such a call is nonsense.


40 posted on 06/01/2011 5:52:33 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: sport
That poor guy in Arizona can attest to that.

Maybe he could if he weren't dead.

41 posted on 06/01/2011 10:09:08 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Bryanw92; kstewskis

SWATstapo, that’s a good one. I’ve been calling them SWAT Stasi but I like yours better.

SWATtasi?


42 posted on 06/01/2011 10:31:09 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Lurker

That was my point. He is a silent example. And witness.


43 posted on 06/01/2011 10:32:48 AM PDT by sport
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To: smokingfrog
but in San Fran, they will just stand by and watch you die.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/01/california.drowning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

44 posted on 06/01/2011 2:19:27 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Are you prepared?)
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To: matt04
Silly me. I thought SWAT teams existed to deal with actual criminals who were doing actual illegal things in a manner that required more then the normal officer could safely handle.

That's what CCW's are for.

45 posted on 06/01/2011 2:22:57 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Are you prepared?)
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To: Steamburg
Even Chris Rock is smart enough to tell you not to piss off your girlfriend when the police can be involved.

He's got WEED! LOL

46 posted on 06/01/2011 2:26:27 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Are you prepared?)
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