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Vanity: ATF stopped transfer of gun -- store manager says no transfer between states due to new law?

Posted on 05/31/2011 4:10:58 PM PDT by HGSW0904

This is a vanity post, and I'm hoping I put it in the right place...if not, I'm sure y'all will redirect me. (I'm hoping any redirection is kind.)

My husband ordered an R-25 from Dick's months ago (February) and has been playing phone tag with them since. They said they ordered it and that it was on its way. Today, he called again and spoke to the manager since he still hadn't heard anything. The manager said they couldn't transfer any gun from CO (that's where they had one in stock and we're in TN) because the ATF came in and stopped the transfer -- there's some new law and they are not sure how the new law will work. Dick's is shutting down their gun sales because it's too hard to get weapons in -- even in-state transfers. And, because they don't sell handguns, they can't legally sell handgun ammo anymore.

Is this manager full of it, or have you all heard anything about anything like it?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; batfe; colorado; tennessee

1 posted on 05/31/2011 4:11:00 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: HGSW0904

I prefer to attack people with fireworks.


2 posted on 05/31/2011 4:12:28 PM PDT by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: HGSW0904

Sounds like they are full of it. Get a refund.


3 posted on 05/31/2011 4:14:43 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Socialism works great until capitalism starts to falter)
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To: HGSW0904
"And, because they don't sell handguns, they can't legally sell handgun ammo anymore."

Huh? I can buy all sorts of ammo at Wally World and they quit selling guns. First I've heard about this.

4 posted on 05/31/2011 4:14:46 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: HGSW0904

I once had a few firearms but they were all lost in a tragic corn harvesting accident.


5 posted on 05/31/2011 4:17:10 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Karl Childers (Sling Blade 1996))
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To: HGSW0904

Hogwash. I just received a pistol shipped from a dealer in AZ to a dealer in CA and if I can get it here, it can be had just about anywhere.


6 posted on 05/31/2011 4:18:00 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: HGSW0904

Get a refund and call a different store.


7 posted on 05/31/2011 4:19:29 PM PDT by 'smith
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To: atomic_dog

Thanks. It sounded crazy to me, but with the way things are going these days, thought it best to check.


8 posted on 05/31/2011 4:19:32 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: HGSW0904

dicks has a strict anti “assault rifle” company policy.

they were taking heat for selling the R25 which is just an AR10, a freefloat tube,and a camo job with some nice marketing.

ask them how much .22 and 7.62x39 they sell as they are both listed by the ATF as handgun rounds.


9 posted on 05/31/2011 4:27:36 PM PDT by melkor
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To: West Texas Chuck
Have you heard?

Wal-Mart Adds Guns Alongside Butter
10 posted on 05/31/2011 4:27:43 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: HGSW0904

Colorado is now a deep dark blue. With that in mind I am sure the gun grabbers are also in power.


11 posted on 05/31/2011 4:27:50 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTY or no party)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Correct, no FFL is required to sell ammunition. A FFL is required to manufacture ammo, but not to sell.


12 posted on 05/31/2011 4:28:27 PM PDT by melkor
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To: melkor

sorry correction for the purists.. its not an AR10, its a LR308 which is DPMS’s version of the AR10 - but still, its a .308/243/etc AR


13 posted on 05/31/2011 4:30:26 PM PDT by melkor
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To: melkor

Husband found a local shop with a slew of AR 10’s in stock. He’s going to head there tomorrow and take a look.


14 posted on 05/31/2011 4:38:27 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: HGSW0904

Dick’s has gone PC.

Around here they stopped selling all pistols and pistol ammo and have cut back all their long gun selections and ammo.

The last time I went in to our local Dick’s store all they had were shoes and all the tame sporting goods. Their “outdoor” stuff consists mostly of a small selection of camping gear.


15 posted on 05/31/2011 4:39:28 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Tupelo

Nonsense


16 posted on 05/31/2011 5:02:20 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: HGSW0904
"...the ATF came in and stopped the transfer -- there's some new law..."

ATF had already taken a deposit from a buyer in mexico.

17 posted on 05/31/2011 5:09:22 PM PDT by norton
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To: melkor

A FFL is required to manufacture ammo.


Not in all cases. Small hobbyists certainly don’t need an FFL.

Are you thinking about the excise tax?


18 posted on 05/31/2011 5:11:01 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: HGSW0904

I’m pretty sure the guy your husband talked to is on crack, or maybe just an anti-gunner trying to kill one purchase and make a hard time for one gun guy.

You cannot transfer from an FFL to a NON-FFL across state lines. But so what? Obviously Dick’s is a FFL in TN or they never would have sold a single gun in your state, and the transfer from Dick’s to your husband has both parties in TN. He may just be an idiot confusing rules on “transfers” (sales) to end customers with stock transfers between locations. How does he think most dealers get their stock in the first place? Obviously from out-of-state mfgrs or wholesalers.

The only new “law” concerns purchases of multiple long guns within a five day period, isn’t in force yet, and I believe will only affect border states if it does become effective.

OTOH, even if you could force the issue, do you really want to reward a company that is either this incompetent or this anti-rights, or both, when there are perfectly good independent retailers in your town?


19 posted on 05/31/2011 5:15:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Tupelo

“Colorado is now a deep dark blue. With that in mind I am sure the gun grabbers are also in power.”

Actually, the carry laws are pretty good here (passed about 10 years ago when R’s ran things). I have several gun stores in easy driving distance. Lots of gun shows. But the rats have been more concerned about making sure public employee unions can continue to fund rats to be very concerned about guns. It’s a losing issue for them here.


20 posted on 05/31/2011 5:18:14 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: HGSW0904

The manager is full of it. There exists no such law.

Dick’s has started to live up to it’s name over the past couple of years. Many of my customers have had some real WTF style complaints about them. But for me, it’s all good as it helps my business. I would recommend that your hubby go to www.budsgunshop.com and buy his gun there. Have it shipped to a local FFL that does transfers for a reasonable rate.

I charge $5 for transfers but I’m considered one of the lowest on the east coast. I wouldn’t pay over $25 for a transfer of a rifle, shotgun or handgun. If a shop wants more than that, they are ripping you off.


21 posted on 05/31/2011 5:40:15 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: BCR #226
Dick’s has started to live up to it’s name over the past couple of years.

I once had a business meeting several hours drive away, and met a colleague at a Dick's to park my car and ride with him. When he got there I said "The sign says 'Dick's Sporting Goods'. Which is it?" So he says "Duh! That's the same thing!"

22 posted on 05/31/2011 5:52:18 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: OldMissileer

Not to start any flames here, but I hate Dick’s. Went in there one time and it looked to me like all their stuff was crap. I prefer Academy, they sell lots of stuff I like and I’ve never walked out of there pissed off.


23 posted on 05/31/2011 5:52:42 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: BCR #226
"Dick’s has started to live up to it’s name over the past couple of years."

LOL. I'll have to agree with that. I recently went to Dick's to get some shotgun shells that were advertised on sale. Have previously bought ammo, targets, and a .22 rifle at that particular store. A store re-model was under way, and that department had been eliminated. A salesperson told me that all that inventory had been shipped to another store, and this store would no longer carry these type items.

How can they still call themselves a sporting goods store? If I wanted shoes or a windbreaker, I'd go to Target.

24 posted on 05/31/2011 5:59:38 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: West Texas Chuck
You walk into Dick's or Bass Pro, you don't get the feeling the guys behind the gun counter are gun guys, even for themselves, just guys from the sales drone pool who happened to pull "gun counter" that day.

Sportsman's Warehouse is MUCH better, at least the ones near me.

25 posted on 05/31/2011 6:00:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Beelzebubba

“manufacture” in 27CFR478/479 means to make for resale for profit.


26 posted on 05/31/2011 6:03:50 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: TSgt
I once had a few firearms but they were all lost in a tragic corn harvesting accident.

At least you didn't lose them in a boating accident. I tell ya', when these lakes in central Texas start drying up in the current drought, I'm heading out there with the metal detector to see if I can find some of those lost guns.

27 posted on 05/31/2011 6:05:34 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Avoid arguments with your wife about lifting the toilet seat by simply using the sink.)
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To: Sarajevo

Prolly won’t NEED a MD. There’ll be this huge mountain-o-gunz right in the middle of where the lake used to be! Condition of the metal and wood parts may vary.


28 posted on 05/31/2011 6:07:43 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Sarajevo

It was a bloody mess. Stocks, shucks, kernels, buckshot, stalks and barrels.

Guns and butter...


29 posted on 05/31/2011 6:10:10 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Karl Childers (Sling Blade 1996))
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To: Still Thinking

You’re absolutely right — definitely not wanting to support store/chain that either makes up nonsense to cover themselves, or won’t sell what is legal at all. We definitely won’t be back to Dick’s for anything — which is a shame because it’s the closest sporting goods store. The nearest Academy is in the hood, and I hate driving into Nashville to hit Bass. But it looks like that’s what I’ll be doing.


30 posted on 05/31/2011 6:22:09 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: HGSW0904
Dick's is yanking your chain...

Go to The Gun Source as they have this rifle in three different calibers. Purchase the rifle from them using your debit/credit card (saving sales tax if they're not in your state) and have it delivered to your local gun shop. The folks at Gun Source are great to work with and I have bought from them several times with great success.

Regards,
Raven6

PS: You stated that you're in Tennessee, but your flag was a Texas flag. If you are in middle Tennessee, send me a FReepmail and I can tell you who I use to take delivery. They are located just 3 exits south of the Franklin Dick's Sporting Goods, at #46.

31 posted on 05/31/2011 6:26:59 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Yes, a commercial manufacturer needs a Type 6 license (a misnomer to call it a “firearms” license, but that’s what they call it.

A non-commercial manufacturer (as defined by the dictionary, not federal bureaucrats) does not require a license.


32 posted on 05/31/2011 6:27:22 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: HGSW0904
Find a local dealer that will transfer a firearm that you want for $25 - $35.

Search for the weapon you want on Gunbroker.com (out of Atlanta, GA) and bid on it.

If you are the winning bid, pay for the firearm and send a copy of the FFL to the seller (the seller will indicate the shipping charge to be paid).

Complete the completely legal transaction without dealing with DICKS.

33 posted on 05/31/2011 6:46:55 PM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: Raven6

Thanks! My flag is a TX flag b/c we relocated from DFW this past fall...and I haven’t even thought to change it til you mentioned it!


34 posted on 05/31/2011 6:47:44 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: deoetdoctrinae
How can they still call themselves a sporting goods store? If I wanted shoes or a windbreaker, I'd go to Target.

In an earlier post on this thread I called them PC. Maybe they, like many sporting goods stores that have dropped the hunting sports, made a business decision to not have to stock items that cost them so much in paperwork and manpower (filling out the paperwork and maintaining it).

Along with that is the fact the BATFE scumbags jail and fine FFL dealers for minor paperwork infractions. Not only do these businesses not want those fines and possible court costs but they want to protect their employees from the same. They also do not want to incur the expense of training their employees to fill out and maintain all that garbage.

35 posted on 05/31/2011 6:55:46 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: HGSW0904

Did you try to purchase the rifle at the Franklin store?


36 posted on 05/31/2011 7:00:29 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: Raven6

No, the Mount Juliet store.


37 posted on 05/31/2011 7:05:28 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: HGSW0904

For guns at least, look for a little mom & pop in your town or nearby. Shorter drive, better service, more knowledgeable staff, and a good type of business to help stay in business.


38 posted on 05/31/2011 7:20:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: gieriscm

ping


39 posted on 05/31/2011 7:21:00 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Yes, a commercial manufacturer needs a Type 6 license (a misnomer to call it a “firearms” license, but that’s what they call it.

Type 07 and 10 FFL's can also manufacture ammo for commercial sale. See tagline...

40 posted on 05/31/2011 7:30:13 PM PDT by gieriscm (07 FFL / C2 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: HGSW0904

And if you really must go to a chain sporting goods store, try Sportsman’s Warehouse, if you have any in your area. I’ve found them to be superior to Bass Pro, and especially to Dick’s. Don’t have a whole lot of experience with Cabela’s, but for what little I do have, Sportsman’s beats em.


41 posted on 05/31/2011 7:31:00 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: TSgt

Lost all of mine at Fermilab – needless to say, NEVER put all you guns in front of a particle accelerator.

Boy! was my face red….


42 posted on 05/31/2011 7:52:57 PM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: Beelzebubba

you can make 100,000 rounds a day as long as its for yourself for personal use but if you sell any then you are “manufacturing” and you need a FFL.


43 posted on 05/31/2011 7:59:24 PM PDT by melkor
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To: OldMissileer
The last time I went in to our local Dick’s store all they had were shoes and all the tame sporting goods. Their “outdoor” stuff consists mostly of a small selection of camping gear.

I've never been to a "Dick's." What is it? Just bicycles & shoes, right? The libs, they sure do love their bicycles. Saw a "Dick's" at a mall near me, and they seem to have quite a bit of floorspace.

44 posted on 05/31/2011 7:59:59 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: TSgt; Sarajevo
I lost mine in a bizarre gardening accident involving a drummer who chocked to death on vomit.

The most disturbing part of the situation was that it wasn't his vomit.

The tragedy is that the authorities never determined whose vomit was involved. I mean, back then, you couldn't just go in and “dust for vomit.”

45 posted on 05/31/2011 8:08:28 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: OldMissileer

“Dick’s ... it’s not just our name, it’s who we are”


46 posted on 05/31/2011 8:43:45 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I asked the bartender for a bin Ladin, she said 'what's that? I said 'two shots then a splash.')
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To: Tupelo

“Colorado is now a deep dark blue. With that in mind I am sure the gun grabbers are also in power.”

Neither is true. Colorado has a Republican-majority House, so the Marxists are stymied locally. Also, the Rats saw a net loss of two Colorado U.S. House seats last November.

We also have some of the best gun laws in the nation, including must-issue concealed carry, state preemption of local gun laws, and very liberal laws when it comes to transporting firearms in one’s vehicle.

Also, the State Instacheck folks have long hours and quick response.

All-in-all, this is still a very gun-friendly state, and the Rats seem to have no real appetite to change that right now.


47 posted on 05/31/2011 9:00:32 PM PDT by catnipman
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To: HGSW0904

Manager is spouting total bullshit.

I’m a federally licensed firearms dealer in Colorado, and there have been no new federal or state firearms laws passed any time recently, and I have been notified of no new recent regulation changes by the BATF, which they diligently notify me of via periodic newsletter.

That manager is a lying “Dick Head”, which I believe is the brand name of Dick’s store-brand bike helmets.


48 posted on 05/31/2011 9:08:58 PM PDT by catnipman
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To: TSgt

Aw shucks, thats a corny thing to say. =)


49 posted on 05/31/2011 10:02:54 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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