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77,000 feds paid more than governorsGovernment salaries put under scrutiny
The Washington Times ^ | May 31, 2011 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 06/01/2011 8:09:08 AM PDT by yoe

More than 77,000 federal government employees throughout the country — including computer operators, more than 5,000 air traffic controllers, 22 librarians and one interior designer — earned more than the governors of the states in which they work.

The findings, from a Congressional Research Service report requested by Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, were released at a time when public workers’ salaries and benefits are under scrutiny across the country as governments try to streamline.

CRS reviewed 2009 salary figures, the most recent available, and found 77,057 employees who earned more in annual pay than their respective governors. Of those workers, 18,351 were doctors — the highest percentage. The second-highest total was for 5,170 air traffic controllers — likely both front-line controllers and their supervisors.

In Maryland, 7,283 federal employees — about 7 percent of all full-time federal employees in the state — earned more than Gov. Martin O'Malley’s $150,000 salary. Maryland was topped by Colorado, which in 2009 had 10,875 employees who made more than the $90,000 salary of the governor, Bill Ritter.

“Across America, governors are being asked to do more with less, often at lower pay than federal employees in their states. The pay gap between governors and federal employees should prompt Congress to take a closer look at federal salaries,” Mr. Coburn said. “With our debt and deficits spiraling out of control, now is the time to ask agencies — not just governors — to do more with less.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: default; economy; federalemployees; government; income
The nation is run by Bureaucrats and paid for by the tax payer......if Obama succeeds in taxing the rich most of these federal workers and their jobs will be in jeopardy....who can afford them?
1 posted on 06/01/2011 8:09:10 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

the only way to expose this stuff is hearings.. hearings hearings hearings!


2 posted on 06/01/2011 8:12:51 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW!)
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To: yoe

How about we just fire every other one of them except for the ATC’s and see if anyone notices.


3 posted on 06/01/2011 8:13:50 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: yoe

How long as the governor been at the job? (not long). How much would a governor make on the outside? (not as much as a specific computer programer). At least the computer people could make a ton of money on the outside with their skills. I am sure that some of these people have a specific skill that is needed. The Interior Decorator now on the other hand......To bad the Governor didn’t have the skills to be able to work on computers in the government. Maybe in his next life. I guess he will just have to settle for being the governor.


4 posted on 06/01/2011 8:14:07 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: yoe

Federal employees sure. A fiscal disaster.

But you all need to sniff around your own LOCAL municipalities:

Firefighters, teachers, cops, and assorted extraneous bureaucrats.

Check out not just their salaries but their blue-ribbon healthcare, paid time off, and pensions.

All paid for on YOUR back.


5 posted on 06/01/2011 8:15:41 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: yoe
Can the interior designer call out the State Guard? Didn't think so.

/johnny

6 posted on 06/01/2011 8:17:00 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: EyeGuy

But they could ALL be making more money in the Private Sector!


7 posted on 06/01/2011 8:28:17 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

“But they could ALL be making more money in the Private Sector!”

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Given the risks and demands of the private sector versus the easy, cushioned, non-demanding path of government work, that is the way it SHOULD be.

Pre-Communist America, the reimbursement gap between private and public employment was substantial.

Those who can, DO, those who can’t, seek government employment.


8 posted on 06/01/2011 8:32:36 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

I went to our highway dept on Friday around 3:30 - they close at 4pm. The doors were locked - early take off before the holiday. That’s an insult to taxpayers in this fiscal climate. None of them give a flip because they have theirs on our back.

In private industry - they are loading work on it’s employees with staying late and taking work home - not so with the gov’t - not expected to make a sacrifice or work even the assigned hours.


9 posted on 06/01/2011 8:34:36 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Lurker

Now that is a good plan.


10 posted on 06/01/2011 8:40:37 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: presently no screen name
My town is building a new Village Hall/PD this year. They just released a bid for a new telephone system. Since I'm in the business I grabbed a copy of it. They want 225 Cisco Color Touch Screen desk telephones at a list price of just about $600 bucks a piece. Now my company sells telephone systems, and we have an equivalent device that's a lot cheaper. The President of my company doesn't even have one on his desk. That tells you something right there.

I've been chewing on the Mayor all week about this idiot IT Director. I ran the list prices on the system he wants and it comes to just a hair under $1,000,000.00. That's for a Village of 22,000 people.

I'm freaking livid.

11 posted on 06/01/2011 8:50:12 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

You have a right to be livid and if the news got to the 22,000 - you would have some great company. I’d like to hear the ending of this one!


12 posted on 06/01/2011 8:59:19 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: yoe

The simple answer is to analyze each position, the departure rate, and the length of the applicant line for new positions.

Of course, there must be measurable qualifications (eek! Intelligence tests and such!). Any job for which there are no measurable qualification standards (except President) should be eliminated.

If you cut doctor compensation packages by 25%, a bunch might leave. Maybe even more than there are qualified candidates to replace them. Cutting ATC compensation by 25% would probably still leave a long line out the door.

Ideally, government should have no interior decorators. It’s facilities OUGHT to look tacky. It’s government! Let some rich, successful retired decorators volunteer their services to give our servants a more elegantly-designed workplace.


13 posted on 06/01/2011 9:00:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: Lurker
Dollars to doughnuts you would lose all your medical researchers and Food and Drug Administration high tech drug checkers.

It would take but weeks for inferior aspirin to begin pouring in from Bengla Desh.

You want to live like that I suggest you move there.

14 posted on 06/01/2011 9:16:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Beelzebubba
There are very specific, measurable, and certifiable qualifications to be President. Unfortunately no one in authority the guts to force the “First Black President” to prove it. They are:

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

15 posted on 06/01/2011 9:20:40 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Beelzebubba
ABout 28 years ago USPS did a survey to see what people thought of their local postal retail facilities.

In a very clear pattern people were happiest with the crappiest, and moany about the toney!

So, yeah, you're right. But you don't work there.

16 posted on 06/01/2011 9:20:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Beelzebubba

The US government’s interior decorator might be the guy in charge of the wallspace at the US Capitol.


17 posted on 06/01/2011 9:21:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yoe

Computer Operators??

Holy 1987! The few guys I know who are still doing that make around twenty bucks an hour.


18 posted on 06/01/2011 9:24:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: muawiyah
Dollars to doughnuts you would lose all your medical researchers and Food and Drug Administration high tech drug checkers.

Good. The FDA has killed more people than cancer.

It would take but weeks for inferior aspirin to begin pouring in from Bengla Desh.

And every tort lawyer in America would weep for joy 5 seconds after that.

It's called "freedom" muawiyah. Look into it sometime.

19 posted on 06/01/2011 9:52:22 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: yoe

If I was ever elected to office, I could easily do with less than $70,000. But that’s because I’d be more like George Washington, and less like a monarch.


20 posted on 06/01/2011 10:02:18 AM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: napscoordinator

Interior decorating... people really do pay for anything.


21 posted on 06/01/2011 10:04:29 AM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: EyeGuy

That Bell,CA city manger made nearly twice what the President of the United States makes! I think Obama sucks, but his job is a tad more demanding.


22 posted on 06/01/2011 10:22:53 AM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: massgopguy
"But they could ALL be making more money in the Private Sector!"

LOL! I know there are lots of businesses that are just DYING to get their hands on a "agricultural secretary". And pay them $200K/yr.

23 posted on 06/01/2011 10:27:11 AM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: muawiyah

Government Interior Decorators/Interior Designers are fairly rare and far between and sought after in the repair, renovation, and new construction aspects of government facilities.

Depending upon location, cost of living adjustments and per diem/travel expenses, such a professional usually makes between $70-$100k. They also probably save the government more than their salary if the government falls back to standard subprofessional substitutes.

The Interior professional coordinates between all the interior furnishings, Class III property, and insures the sourcing meets all the regulatory compliance.

When you don’t have the ID folks, you tend to see either crappy IKEA style office furnishings and Equipment that lasts less than 3 years, or gold plated over priced furnishings which also tends to disappear from the facilities within about 3 years.

Good ID folks also know how to get better quality furnishings while meeting all the quotas on small business, prison industry and handicapped manufactured furnishings.

Where excessive government funding is expended is probably on SES level positions hand picked by elected officials who place their own buddies in highly paid positions, with little to no qualifications, fraudulently or night school diploma type qualifications. Look at the GS 14 and above positions or at GS-12/13 positions with occupants who only had a GED, then procured a local community college ‘graduate degree’, with the job description tailored for that individual.

FWIW, the excess is a lot tougher to get rid of that it appears. When campaigns are launched to get rid of it, and those are anticipated by the frauds, they generally have already thought several steps ahead of the power curve, such that the first 2-3 purges actually gets rid of probably some of the most productive employees in the ranks.

In the organizations I’ve studied, not from 2 decades ago, but in today’s government, the simplest way to find the frauds are by going up the chain of command. The most successful and worldly ones today tend to be the frauds, but once they’ve sat in their positions for 3-6 years, they tend to not be satiated with getting something for nothing, and want more. They also tend to realign the organization to fit their empire building schemes, so their removal or replacement might be painful at first.


24 posted on 06/01/2011 10:33:22 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Lurker

When it comes to bad medicine I assure you that ONLY YOUR HEIRS will look into whatever it is that “bugged you”.


25 posted on 06/01/2011 11:04:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cvengr

Imagine how many of those guys got promoted to SES levels due to the recommendation of Tony Weiner.


26 posted on 06/01/2011 11:29:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cvengr

I wasn’t speaking specifically of Interior Decorators but rather the whole SES crowd of incompetent churls who slimed their way to the top.


27 posted on 06/01/2011 11:30:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yoe
"...and found 77,057 employees who earned more in annual pay than their respective governors..."

And probably a far larger number of employees who are paid a little less but nearly that much. That's what keeps your local services (gas, food, other shopping) going during the Depression and keeps the debt economy sliding down so weirdly and smoothly. It also continues the flow of imports and keeps oil high.

They will be a default, but government will not let go of those employees easily--thus, continued increases in spending, monetization and no repudiation until it's somehow forced.


28 posted on 06/01/2011 11:51:10 AM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: EyeGuy
"But you all need to sniff around your own LOCAL municipalities"

Yes, and many counties are run like municipalities. The total number of local employees (state, county, city) in the USA must be mind boggling.


29 posted on 06/01/2011 11:54:24 AM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: familyop

“Yes, and many counties are run like municipalities. The total number of local employees (state, county, city) in the USA must be mind boggling.”

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And therein lies the greatest threat to the continued existence of our country as we have known it.

How many Americans now have a close relative in some way attached, to say, just the huge education gravy train, and thus would be strongly predisposed to vote for continued socialism?

If we have not already reached a critical mass of parasites, we are closely approaching it.


30 posted on 06/01/2011 12:32:31 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Computer Operators??

Holy 1987! The few guys I know who are still doing that make around twenty bucks an hour.

Yes. But a lot of people don't have a clue what they should be paid! Non-IT people are fooled by the unions when wages are set. They have no clue how little knowledge is needed to be an Operator who monitors a system versus those who build the system and the software.

I remember back in the 1980s when I was a systems engineer I had to work closely with computer operators on mainframes and minis. I knew everything they knew (console commands etc.) plus far more (systems and applications coding, and machine integration). There were a few sharp operators, like when I had a problem with a balky tape reel drive; the operator slapped some spit on a capstan post and the tape reel loaded up. For the most part, Operators know minimal information about the systems they monitor.

Many government salaries for Computer Operators are skewed nowadays, paying them near what systems and applications programmers and engineers receive. The unions did this.

31 posted on 06/01/2011 1:25:22 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Cvengr

In any government organization ,staffing and associated costs increase in proportion to the people you can ‘justify’ to fill your ‘chart’. Most of the cases involve personal ego for status rather than needed/important service to be given to the public. Of course the salary ladder has influence too.


32 posted on 06/01/2011 1:35:40 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: EyeGuy

Very well said.


33 posted on 06/01/2011 4:29:35 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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