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77,000 feds paid more than governors
The Washington Times ^ | 6/1/2011 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 06/01/2011 5:18:35 PM PDT by libertycause13

"More than 77,000 federal government employees throughout the country — including computer operators, more than 5,000 air traffic controllers, 22 librarians and one interior designer — earned more than the governors of the states in which they work.

The findings, from a Congressional Research Service report requested by Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, were released at a time when public workers’ salaries and benefits are under scrutiny across the country as governments try to streamline...."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: debt; default; economy; employees; federal; goobermint; government; governmentpay; overpaid; pay; regulations; salary; spending
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1 posted on 06/01/2011 5:18:39 PM PDT by libertycause13
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To: libertycause13
The question is whether who can Obama beat in 2012.

By 2012 it will be who can Obama beat.

2 posted on 06/01/2011 5:21:57 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: libertycause13
(as if this were a meaningful comparison) I would definitely jump in there and whack those air traffic controllers and medical doctors who earn more than the governor of the state where they are stationed.

Do that right away!~

Just do it do it Just do it

3 posted on 06/01/2011 5:23:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: libertycause13
"A congressional study revealed that 7,283 federal employees in Maryland made more than Gov. Martin O'Malley's $150,000 salary in 2009."

Actually, I'm ok with that. OweMalley isn't worth what he's paid.

4 posted on 06/01/2011 5:25:31 PM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: scooby321

“...whether who can Obama beat...” is a question that few can answer (or understand).


5 posted on 06/01/2011 5:29:35 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a (small) monthly donor.)
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To: libertycause13

50 state secession is the answer. Washington is a goner.


6 posted on 06/01/2011 5:39:37 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: libertycause13

Indiana has around a thousand people, mostly at IU and Purdue, making from $150K to $600,000/yr in State paychecks


7 posted on 06/01/2011 5:39:47 PM PDT by digger48
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To: libertycause13

I just applied for a Federal job today that pays $80,000 a year and those cushie Fed benefits.

Private sector for the same job in the same geographic area? $55,000 a year.


8 posted on 06/01/2011 5:39:55 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Domandred

So it’s not just fed employees making more than State Governors, it’s overpay at all levels.


9 posted on 06/01/2011 5:41:33 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: libertycause13

oh law, now the bovernors will demand a raise!


10 posted on 06/01/2011 5:41:59 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( No more Bushs!)
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To: libertycause13
...and one interior designer.


11 posted on 06/01/2011 5:44:11 PM PDT by hattend (Let's all meet Sarah at her last bus stop -- 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Jan 2013)
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To: libertycause13

The Federal government pays an interior designer for what?


12 posted on 06/01/2011 5:50:37 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: libertycause13
I say we MAKE them take a cut in pay and govern for a living!

Oh, wait a minute...

13 posted on 06/01/2011 5:53:15 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kcvl
The Federal government pays an interior designer for what?

To make some people feel good just to get their votes.

14 posted on 06/01/2011 5:55:12 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: libertycause13
It's an odd comparison in one sense, since states set their chief executives’ pay, and the federal government, a separate sovereign, sets its employees pay, but the larger point about the relative levels of responsibility and bloated federal salaries is duly noted.
15 posted on 06/01/2011 6:00:11 PM PDT by americanophile (Still hoping for Paul Ryan...I will take the best I can get.)
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To: libertycause13

With 1.9 million civilian workers (including DOD civilians) and 1.4 million uniformed personnel, the federal
government is the largest single employer in the United States (Source: White House 2008 budget numbers and OSD).

http://www.1105govinfo.com/pdfs/advertise/Federal_Employees_Almanac.pdf

In the debate over public sector compensation, it’s often noted that - in addition to generous salaries and better fringe benefits - federal employees have far greater job security than private sector workers. While a private sector worker has an approximately 20 percent chance of being fired or laid off in a given year, for federal employees it’s only 6 percent.

http://www.publicsectorinc.com/psi_articles/2011/01/valuing-job-security-as-a-public-employee-benefit.html

For 30-35 years, the private sector has addressed its structural problems (lack of profits, low productivity, losing market share, etc. etc.) with downsizing and innovation. In this same period, government (federal, state and local) has grown like crazy; largely unionized the workforce; never considered downsizing; ignored intelligent investments in technology to make their workforce efficient; expanded the bureaucracy (always the first priority of the bureaucracy is to preserve, protect and expand); and now has heeped on unrealistic compensation as well as benefits to add to the lard.

I don’t think anyone could present a rational case that federal employment and bureaucracy can’t be reduced 2-3% per year (I’m being kind — 5% per year would be a better target) along with reductions of 2-3% per year (again being kind) to overall average compensation and benefits levels to bring the government sector into alignment with the private sector and reducing the government’s footprint and cost. You could do the above just with attrition.

Federal Employees are almost impossible to fire unless they are guilty of gross misconducr(read criminal activity) That is why the number of dismissals for cause is way under even 1% of the workforce,and for those that just show up, there is no accountability. No government employee can be terminated for failure to reach minimum objective performance goals, most don’t have any.


16 posted on 06/01/2011 6:03:07 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: americanophile

In all fairness to this argument...

How can entities like the CIA, NSA, FBI or DoD get anyone remotely at the top of their field vs. private security, defense contractors, Google, Apple, MS etc. if they don’t pay an above average salary.

Old argument at NSA was most of their best brains could make more money making the new Halo or Madden than doing national security work.

Now of course we will probably agree with that sentiment. However you can’t tell me SS, Agriculture, Education,HHS, Energy, Interior etc. aren’t completely filled with useless bodies.


17 posted on 06/01/2011 6:04:08 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

They can’t, they have to pay a competitive wage. Especially when you’re talking about doctors, lawyers, scientists, and national security specialists. The problem is all the unionized bureaucrats - there’s over a million unionized federal workers, and we all know what that means.


18 posted on 06/01/2011 6:10:59 PM PDT by americanophile (Still hoping for Paul Ryan...I will take the best I can get.)
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To: libertycause13

Federal gov’t Unions MUST BE OUTLAWED.. even criminalized..

Reduced the size and scope of the federal government and the deficit would be non existent.. maybe even surplus..

Very Few things should be “an entitlement”..


19 posted on 06/01/2011 6:11:05 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: libertycause13
Decaying Rome! Mandarin China!

We should strive to be different in every respect...

20 posted on 06/01/2011 6:17:36 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: libertycause13

this is relevant in Ohio where new conservative Governor Kasich has been maligned for paying some of his staff members more than previous occupants of those same positions were paid. (Overall, though, the payroll was less.)

However, they’ve used those stats to vilify Kasich. The truth is that Kasichs 140 grand payscale isn’t as much a many school superintendents in our own state. And apparently, many fed civil servants.


21 posted on 06/01/2011 6:18:28 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: libertycause13

this is relevant in Ohio where new conservative Governor Kasich has been maligned for paying some of his staff members more than previous occupants of those same positions were paid. (Overall, though, the payroll was less.)

However, they’ve used those stats to vilify Kasich. The truth is that Kasichs 140 grand payscale isn’t as much a many school superintendents in our own state. And apparently, many fed civil servants.


22 posted on 06/01/2011 6:21:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: hosepipe

>> Federal gov’t Unions MUST BE OUTLAWED.. even criminalized..

Any union that derives its revenue from tax dollars should be outlawed.


23 posted on 06/01/2011 6:25:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: libertycause13

And both political parties must get their votes and the votes of all of the other federal employees—and state, county and city employees. Oh, yeah, politics: that’s where it’s at!


24 posted on 06/01/2011 6:28:40 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: scooby321

Maybe, congressman Anthony Weiner.


25 posted on 06/01/2011 7:15:22 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: sauropod
"A congressional study revealed that 7,283 federal employees in Maryland made more than Gov. Martin O'Malley's $150,000 salary in 2009."

Actually, I'm ok with that. OweMalley isn't worth what he's paid.

I'm not okay with that. Absolutely no federal employee should be making that kind of money.

26 posted on 06/01/2011 7:21:56 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: kcvl
The Federal government pays an interior designer for what?

To paint nice little flowers on the shower stalls. Now go on in. You can leave your jewelry here... there's soap inside.

27 posted on 06/01/2011 7:29:58 PM PDT by glock rocks (Crouch as low as possible to the floor and cover your head with your hands.)
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To: upsdriver
I'm not okay with that. Absolutely no federal employee should be making that kind of money.

So where do you want to start? Let's try an easy one. Cut pay for MDs at the VA hospitals to minimum wage. And while we are at it, the CDC as well.

Where do you want to cut next?

28 posted on 06/01/2011 7:32:25 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Gene Eric
Hell yes. Bears repeating:


Any union that derives its revenue from tax dollars should be outlawed.



anyone here remember PATCO?
29 posted on 06/01/2011 7:37:48 PM PDT by glock rocks (Crouch as low as possible to the floor and cover your head with your hands.)
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To: PAR35

There are junior high principals here that make 40K more than I do. Who knew? It’s total Bravo Sierra. Doctors deserve doctor’s wages, not freekin letter carriers!


30 posted on 06/01/2011 7:40:24 PM PDT by glock rocks (Crouch as low as possible to the floor and cover your head with your hands.)
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To: glock rocks

Check out what school district superintendents are making if you want to be shocked. And any state where the college football coach isn’t making 10x what the governor is getting (above the table) isn’t much of a state.

Folks run for governor for the power and honor, not the paycheck. (OK, some of them are in it for the graft.)


31 posted on 06/01/2011 7:47:20 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Gene Eric

[ Any union that derives its revenue from tax dollars should be outlawed. ]

Talk about a conflict of interest.. Federal and even State and Local government Unions are conflicts of interest..

Government contractors (and sub-contractors) supported by PACs or Lobbyists are also conflicts of interest.. They are all citizens and taxpayers.. -OR- should be...


32 posted on 06/01/2011 8:13:38 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hattend

Hah!


33 posted on 06/01/2011 8:14:42 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Please don't inject reason in the discussion. I'm an Engineering Manager for DOD. I manage/lead about 50 government and contractor engineers. I made more money 8 years ago when I was a grunt engineer in private sector. I was doing this at a GS-13 salary up until recently. I came to DOD because of the unique lab I would be working. Seemed like a good idea at the time I took the job. Now i am in management and the money still isn't as good as our regular engineering contractors that support us. It was my choice and I don't regret the decision. I'm getting to do some very useful stuff for the war fighter but the money is about 25K less. I had better benefits at every company I worked for previously compared to the DOD. So that's BS.

Maybe some other areas the government over pays but it isn't in engineering. Based on my time of service and how bad the economy is I have a feeling I will see a RIF in 3-5 years. I have the death nail on my resume now - Government Worker. I feel very pessimistic about everyones future.

I know there are bad government employees (10%) and in private sector I would say (3%-5%) are worthless. So 2 to 3 times more dumb asses running around at DOD. I'm sure its worse (MUCH WORSE) in those areas that are positively unconstitutional in their scope (Dept of Energy, Education, ...)

I don't take it personal when everyone bashes Govt employees. I just picture the dumb ass down the hall that “works” 3 hours a day and bitches about how busy she is and figure everyone is talking about her. :)

34 posted on 06/01/2011 8:20:47 PM PDT by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is to lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: libertycause13
More than 77,000 federal government employees throughout the country — including computer operators, more than 5,000 air traffic controllers, 22 librarians and one interior designer — earned more than the governors of the states in which they work.

When it comes to salary, benefits, vacations, holidays, sick days, and retirement, the fed is the place to be.

All courtesy of the US Taxpayer, who pays them big time, while they configure ways, and means, to screw us, royally.

When it comes to cuts, federal employees, and congress, should be at the top of the list. Along with BS foreign aid, and the freeloaders, including illegals, who drain the system.

But no, congress wants to cut medicare and social security first. Royally screwing all the folks who have paid in, over a lifetime.

There is something very very wrong with this picture.

35 posted on 06/01/2011 8:28:07 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: takenoprisoner

can I claim 77,000 dependents on my tax return this year ?


36 posted on 06/01/2011 9:29:12 PM PDT by KTM rider ( patriot turned rebel)
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To: PAR35
So where do you want to start? Let's try an easy one. Cut pay for MDs at the VA hospitals to minimum wage. And while we are at it, the CDC as well.

Where do you want to cut next?

First of all, I'd close down the VA hospitals.

37 posted on 06/01/2011 9:35:36 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: xzins

Yes, and don’t forget about the retire rehire scam in Ohio that administrators take advantage of. They get their salary for being a Superintendent and also collect their penchant.


38 posted on 06/01/2011 11:31:27 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: upsdriver

Wow!


39 posted on 06/02/2011 1:11:54 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: Free_in_Alabama

I’m in the same boat as you.

I left (lost, actually) a great private sector job in 2002.

I now work for the VA - and just now, in 2011, have managed to match the salary I had in 2002. My current job is much more complex and technical then my private sector job ever was, for the whopping salary of $49,000.

As for the comments about how great Fed benefits are - really? The health insurance is so expensive we use my husbands, Holidays and vacation are just normal - I had more at my private sector job. What other benefits are there? We can’t even get coffee for a department staff meeting. I buy my own pens and planner, and folks who telework pay for their own internet. My private sector company paid for all of that.

My office is an old nasty building that doesn’t even have central air. There is so much work and so few staff everyone in my office takes work home (we don’t get OT either).

People really have no idea what they’re talking about when they start whinning about how great Federal employees have it.

Do I think there are useless employees, useless jobs and even useless agencies? Yes. But the broad brush sweeping all of us as lazy, underworked, overpaid rubes is way off base.


40 posted on 06/02/2011 5:11:08 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: xzins
Note the difference between federal and state.

I recently applied for both a private sector one similar to one I have now, and a state job with greater responsibilities. I got offers from both.

My current salary is 50% more than what the state offered. And the benefits are about comparable!


It's well known in my field that fed jobs are nearly impossible to get based on qualifications alone. We got one woman in our office from one of those dream positions, and I asked her why she left. She pointed out that "the system is flooded with those damn [ex-]military guys who don't know what they're doing, and they just sit in those positions and block anyone from advancement or getting anything done." Her ambition and eye on quality were frustrated there.

The federal government should hire the most qualified people, not base things on gender, race, military service, etc. As much as I honor the military, it's ridiculous to give preferences, IMO.

41 posted on 06/02/2011 5:43:59 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: mom4melody; Free_in_Alabama
People really have no idea what they’re talking about when they start whinning about how great Federal employees have it.

Yeah...I notice that many of the people who do that complaining don't actually have any contact with those federal jobs.

Another aspect to this article that conservatives are walking right into is that it's an attack on the upper salaries, giving tacit support of a flatter salary structure, not one based on market pricing and skill sets.

The problem isn't the highly specialized, well-paid professionals. It's the numerous bureaucrats at lower levels that are compensated at greater-than-minimal levels for minimal work (productivity, quality, difficulty, or other measure).

42 posted on 06/02/2011 6:07:12 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

“the system is flooded with those damn [ex-]military guys who don’t know what they’re doing, and they just sit in those positions and block anyone from advancement or getting anything done.”

True that. I was a lowly GS-7 warranted Contract Specialist trying to train a dumba$$ (although very nice) veterans preference GS-13 hire. Most of our Veterans Preference hire’s couldn’t, and can’t, do the job.

As much as I support and admire all our veterans, they need to qualify for the job on skill, education and experience, not entitlement.


43 posted on 06/02/2011 6:37:49 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: hattend

That’s a great picture. I remember pictures of Bush making trails in Rocky Mountain National Park. Here’s a picture of 0 putting up curtains. My 5’3” wife doesn’t even call me off the couch to help her with a job like that. Great photo opp Mr. President!!


44 posted on 06/02/2011 7:33:44 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: libertycause13

To hell with big government because a big bite out of your wallet supports it.....To hell with Obama!


45 posted on 06/02/2011 7:44:30 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: libertycause13

Computer operators and air traffic controllers have more useful and difficult-to-learn skills than governors. It naturally follows that their free-market worth is higher.


46 posted on 06/02/2011 7:44:58 AM PDT by 57 Red States
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To: Domandred

Obviously the jobs are not the same, or the guy paying $55k would have to shell out to match the $80k to get anybody to work for him.


47 posted on 06/02/2011 7:46:40 AM PDT by 57 Red States
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To: mom4melody
I now work for the VA - and just now, in 2011, have managed to match the salary I had in 2002. My current job is much more complex and technical then my private sector job ever was, for the whopping salary of $49,000. As for the comments about how great Fed benefits are - really? The health insurance is so expensive we use my husbands, Holidays and vacation are just normal - I had more at my private sector job. What other benefits are there? We can’t even get coffee for a department staff meeting. I buy my own pens and planner, and folks who telework pay for their own internet. My private sector company paid for all of that. My office is an old nasty building that doesn’t even have central air. There is so much work and so few staff everyone in my office takes work home (we don’t get OT either).

I feel for you, and totally agree with what you posted.

If there are any GOP staffers or lawmakers who read this forum, here is a message for them:

What the hell are you doing? Going after VA doctor salaries now?!

This is total BS. Scape goating lowly GS workers or the salaries of professionals that ARE doing a good job for the taxpayer is not what we elected you to do. The Fed workers have already taken it in the shorts: pay freeze for effectively 3 years, now proposed to effectively 6 years; no cost of living (locality pay) increase for 2010 and now 2011; health care insurance going through the roof; proposed 5% pay cut, etc, etc, etc.

Even if they added all of that up, the effect on the debt and deficit would be in the .0025 range.

I'll spell it out in language that Rush Limbaugh used:

"Medicare and Medicaid ARE the deficit."

What is the GOP strategy? That if they demonize VA doctors and nurses, and make them suffer even more, then it will be easier to "sell" the public on the necessary entitlement cuts that have to be implemented? That's a pretty pi$$ poor strategy, and whoever is advising Ryan and Boehner should be fired.

Do your jobs Republicans. Reform "Entitlements" and stop with the chump change propaganda TV appearances.

48 posted on 06/02/2011 7:47:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: americanophile

Precisely. In fact, federal salaries for jobs that require high-level skills (doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers) are generally much too low to attract talent, because they’re stuck on the same stupid one-size-fits-all scale with the interchangeable paper-pushers.


49 posted on 06/02/2011 7:49:02 AM PDT by 57 Red States
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To: upsdriver
Absolutely no federal employee should be making that kind of money.

What a dumbass statement. The man who put a bullet in Osama bin Laden's head was a federal employee, and deserves more than a grateful nation could ever give him.

50 posted on 06/02/2011 7:50:19 AM PDT by 57 Red States
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