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“Card ,Check”, Used, Unionize ,
Townhall ^ | 6/1/11 | Kyle Olson

Posted on 06/01/2011 10:27:58 PM PDT by Nachum

Now we know why unionists were fighting so hard for a federal “card check” law. Organizers can unionize private and public employees, forcing them to pay hundreds in union dues, before they even know anything about it. That's the situation at the Cape Cod Lighthouse Charter School in Orleans, Massachusetts. Last week news broke that the reputable charter school was the second in Massachusetts to be organized by the American Federation of Teachers. (Snip) Several teachers complained that they were never informed about the process and were never asked to vote on the issue.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: card; cardcheck; check; unionize; unions; unionthugs; used

1 posted on 06/01/2011 10:28:05 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum; All

I wonder if there is any chance that “freedom of association” can be used as a tack against this?


2 posted on 06/01/2011 10:39:45 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Nachum

The union Nazis will not rest until every employee in the United States is forced to turn over a portion of their wages to the union Gestapo.


3 posted on 06/01/2011 10:45:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’m in a union and I’m against this type of crap...they should sue the living crap out of them...


4 posted on 06/02/2011 1:08:39 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

3rd generation family owned business here. On tuesday, we found out that we now have an employee who has filed with the plumbers union for a union vote in the shop.

We have been non-union for 12 years (most of us were union at one time or another), and have benefited and grown as a merit shop. Our guys work year round, they get overtime, and haven’t been laid off since we went non-union. Our union counterparts sit idle for the winter collecting unemployment.

Anyways, the letter we got informed us that it was illegal to talk to our employees about the upcoming vote. We can’t even have an employee meeting on the matter. We were informed that if we talked to employees individually about the matter (many of whom have been with our family for over 20 years), we can be fined by the NLRB.

We have been informed that it is illegal for us to attempt to sell or transfer ownership of our company while negotiations with the union are ongoing.

We have been informed that it is a federal crime to move the location of our business during this proceeding as well.

The proceeding is expected to last 3-6 months. During this time, we may be summoned by a mediator to turn over any and all documents related to earnings, pay, profits, expenditures and losses (in otherwords anything they want).

We may not dismiss, lay off, or terminate any employees during this time period.

In other words, we have just been informed, that our family business has been set on the spit, and the fire has been set.

I am up now, worried to death, I have a meeting with our attorneys this morning, for some sort of council.

I think this may be it for us. We may just close up shop, head up north and open that bait shop I’ve been wanting to do for the past 10 years. I don’t know.

I will now have 8 guys laid off and without jobs... but hey, they wanted to be union. Now they can be union and unemployed. I feel betrayed, and have a total F.U. attitude at this point towards the guys we have paid and looked after for all these years.

I am sure even posting this is somehow even illegal at this point, and will come back to haunt me over the next few months.

...time to go make another pot of coffee


5 posted on 06/02/2011 2:15:24 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: Nachum

I worked at a machine shop where it was well know that if it was unionized, it would be liquidated and sold immediately. The employees knew they had a good deal, and union organizers were ‘gone’ before they spoke out a second time.


6 posted on 06/02/2011 4:13:00 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: esoxmagnum

I can only guess at the horror you are experiencing. I thank my lucky stars that the business I own is in Texas.

Unless you have started a business from scratch you would have no idea of what you are going through. I’ve started from scratch, being the bookkeeper, janitor, technician, manager, and every other position that a single person could do to make the business what it is today.

Then, to lose complete control of it for some union Marxists would be unthinkable to me. Once again, thank God I am in Texas.

I hope and wish you a good outcome on your predicament.


7 posted on 06/02/2011 4:16:36 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: esoxmagnum

My sincerest sympathies to you.

Hopefully, your other employees will display some common sense when they vote.


8 posted on 06/02/2011 4:22:29 AM PDT by Senator John Blutarski
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To: esoxmagnum

Can you someone else speak on your behalf? Its kinda bizarre that the shop owner can’t make his case against unionization.


9 posted on 06/02/2011 4:30:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

I don’t know yet.

The guys came in this morning, packed their trucks, got their calls and left. No one has said a word, but I am sure they have been informed.

My wife is livid at this point. She didn’t even come in to the shop this morning.

We have paid for guys cars repairs when they broke down, go-signed for homes, even donated a good sum to one of our guys years ago (he’s no longer with us) when his wife got cancer and needed wigs.

We have gone times without pay checks, cancelled vacations and bit the bullet all in a manner to pay our guys and keep them busy.

I’ve been looking up a ton of stuff, and am curious as to if they can even vote because of the number of employees we have. I am not sure, I have a ton of questions these past couple of days, but finally I’ll get some face time with my attorney today.

I feel so betrayed, I feel like our family has been betrayed. I spent hours last night looking at our security cameras to see who was talking to who, that is how paranoid I am, it is driving me nuts, and I want to strangle someone.

Even if it blows over, even if we win the vote, my relationship with my employees will never be the same. I will not be able to fire who brought the vote (and I think I know who) or I will get sued, and I will always have not only a union vote hanging over our business, but now a feeling of distrust. The family feel of our business is now gone forever I fear.

My wife is just ready to hang it up. I think I could have had an affair and she wouldn’t have been this pissed off. I have never seen her this way in 27 years. She’s been talking about how long they’ve been in business, and now she’s thinking about her dad and grandfather, and all the people she grew up with from the shop (she was a little girl hanging around here, keep in mind).

Anyways, I have to get some stuff done, and then get ready to head over to lawyers.

And to answer your question: Apparently, I CAN’T make a case against unionization, from what I’ve been reading. But, I’ll know more in a few hours.


10 posted on 06/02/2011 4:48:40 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: esoxmagnum
I think this may be it for us. We may just close up shop, head up north and open that bait shop I’ve been wanting to do for the past 10 years.M/p>

Back in the days when radio was the hot, high-tech industry, Atwater Kent was the dominant manufacturer. He got wind of union efforts to take over his workforce. He told his workers if they unionized he'd shut the factory down and walk away. They did; he did.

11 posted on 06/02/2011 5:02:03 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: esoxmagnum

“I think this may be it for us. We may just close up shop, head up north and open that bait shop I’ve been wanting to do for the past 10 years. I don’t know.”


I do sympathize with you. And sometimes going ‘Galt’ is really the answer. Especially if the business you run no longer gives you any pleasure and has turned to drudgery and misery, then it really is time to move on.

On the other hand you could always offer to sell your business to your newly unionized employees. Tell them they can be like GM or Chrysler. Then walk away with a smile.


12 posted on 06/02/2011 5:27:23 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: esoxmagnum

Well, as an employee, I know who signs my paycheck and I know how many more (unpaid) hours managers and owners work than I do, and I know who has to take their problems home, while I leave ‘em at the office.

And I’m grateful to them and to you. Best wishes in your battle. I think they’re about to learn the hard way that they need you - but you can replace them...


13 posted on 06/02/2011 5:57:06 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: esoxmagnum

wow. this is a terrible story. I’m waiting on pins and needles to hear it play out. will you bookmark this page (as I am ) and keep us updated? I realize you have more important things to do, but I will be watching, reading and praying.


14 posted on 06/02/2011 6:59:21 AM PDT by stompk
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To: esoxmagnum

“We have paid for guys cars repairs when they broke down, go-signed for homes, even donated a good sum to one of our guys years ago (he’s no longer with us) when his wife got cancer and needed wigs.

We have gone times without pay checks, cancelled vacations and bit the bullet all in a manner to pay our guys and keep them busy.”


Been there...done that!

Over many years to treating my employees as family, I’ve come to realize that they are actually a piece of leased equipment. They don’t give a “rat’s ass” about you or what you have done for them. They are only there for a pay check...nothing else.


15 posted on 06/02/2011 7:43:22 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: esoxmagnum
transfer all of your employees to a labor leasing company

You can even make up your own

Register the company at a post office box

Let them negotiate with the labor leasing company - they can't picket the Post Office

form a second labor leasing company and hire your employees by virtue of merit through them

they can't keep chasing your paperwork and your good employees will understand right away

I have ample intimate experience - it works every time

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16 posted on 06/02/2011 7:51:40 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: esoxmagnum

Sounds like Nazi Germany to me. Whodda thunk we’d live long enough to see America become a fascist dictatorship. I’m still amazed at how fast the communist “Democrats” were able to pull it off.


17 posted on 06/02/2011 7:11:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: stompk

Thanks for the kind words.

I got in early again, and wrote a very long reply, then erased it all, and started again.

Long story short, I spent several hours with my attorney and another attorney he brought in who deals with organized labor. I walked away with just as many questions as were answered.

Went to dinner last night with my wife and one of our managers and we got more info. We then headed home and talked till past midnight, then decided to sleep more on it.

The card check vote will be next Monday, they only need 30% to proceed with a union vote. They will get it.

We are now torn between our brains saying shut the business down, it makes no sense, every year is more and more of a struggle here in Illinois, with many months we lose money, but our hearts say keep it open, because it is a 55 year old business, with long ties to my wifes family, and we do care about our employees, we are not ogres who want to see them out of work.

As it stands, we are 80% sure we will close the doors. We have other interests, and it is too much like pulling teeth month after month. Plus, we have looming higher taxes (as an S Corp if this tax the rich goes through, we are gonna get zonked), Illinois taxes are higher, we pay about 23-25% more in blue-cross blue shield as it is now for healthcare, unionizing will further increase our costs, of which we are barely getting by right now (yes, sounds funny right, a company in business since 1957 with 10 people on payroll, who does about 4 million in business a year, is barely getting by). Our property taxes are nearly double from 5 years ago (but our property is worth less), our fees almost double every 2-3 years.

My father in law made a good living from this business, he built up other properties with his profits, and invested well, now the last 2 years we find ourselves selling off some of those assets to stay in the black.

Playing devils advocate with myself and wife, and going back and forth, but I think I know what our decision is going to be. It is just going to be an emotional one, but in the end, I think we’ve been throwing good money after bad these past couple of years, and this just amplifies that situation.


18 posted on 06/03/2011 5:46:33 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: esoxmagnum

Wow. As a former masonry sub I am stunned. One reason (there were many) I stayed away from union hacks was because they “ran” your company if you signed and now they have the ability to do what your letter states.

I say a prayer for you however we are too far gone. The police state has the power it needs after the banksters opened the credit spigot and built up little swat armies and ABC commandos.

And you cant even talk to your employees.


19 posted on 06/03/2011 5:55:22 AM PDT by winodog
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To: esoxmagnum

wow. this is really eye-opening. I had no idea. what a nightmare libs/unions have caused. the property tax issue also sounds like a nightmare. The “good employees” should have kicked the other ones asses. I’m sure at the end of the day all they see is more money for themselves. bastards.


20 posted on 06/03/2011 6:11:52 AM PDT by stompk
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To: Elle Bee

Elle,

I saw your post this morning, after I had met with my council yesterday. I am meeting with them again on Tuesday morning, after the card signing they are having Monday.

I will ask him about your advice, and toss that into the stew as well. I appreciate any and all input.

I wish I had seen your post before leaving yesterday, I would have inquired about it then.

It is going to be a long weekend. One of those weekends where I am glad I quit drinking years ago.

Thanks again :)


21 posted on 06/03/2011 6:56:06 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: esoxmagnum
it's really very simple and the concept has legitimate uses beyond this ancillary one

.... and with a stroke of the pen you have no employees so you don't have to let the "organizers" on your property or even speak with the union rep

Incorporating is a paper game and you can cookie cutter several leasing firms and open and close them as you drive them crazy ...

You can simply explain to the shop that as of Monday you're going to enter into a labor leasing agreement

You don't have to explain at all but you can just tell people in the office (who love to spread gossip) that you are making the move for better group insurance rates and to eliminate the hassle and paperwork associated with payroll

In essence the labor leasing company becomes an arms length hiring hall and you can pick and choose your employees

let them start making application to the labor leasing companies as you hire one company or another to provide labor for each different job or for time periods if the job is a big one

you can cover any cost by reducing the wage and when the union bug is out of them you can hire the grateful back whom you choose

In these times one round should have them see the light

You might want to allow the fact to leak out this weekend that you intend to lease your labor as of the beginning of next month

It's a great attitude adjuster

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22 posted on 06/03/2011 7:52:14 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: esoxmagnum
and you're allowed to address your employees to express your opinion in an organizing drive

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23 posted on 06/03/2011 7:54:31 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee

We were advised at this point to say nothing that can be construed as “hostile or intimidating” to a union vote. Our lawyers said that means “just shut up, and don’t let your emotions get the best of you”.

We were advised not to take it personal (which is hard to do), and to look at it strictly from a business sense, column A to column B, etc.

It takes a special person to be a lawyer, I think there must be a fine line between lawyer and serial killer. Very hard to not bring emotion and feelings into things like this.

So, we are just shutting up for now, meeting with our accounting team next week as well, and taking their advice, we will make our decisions based on economics. Which in a way is comforting, because I can justify shutting us down, with no hard feelings.

If our guys are voting union, and saying “it’s not personal” then we can be justified in closing the doors and saying “it’s not personal”.

For some reason, there is merit to my lawyers argument.

I will have more updates next week I reckon.


24 posted on 06/03/2011 10:17:37 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: esoxmagnum

I was informed from one of my guys that the “card signing” passed. I have not been legally informed as of yet, my lawyer said I will be served with those papers either in person or via registered mail in a couple of days.

My wife is on a plane to Washington St, so I haven’t even told her yet, but we already knew the outcome.

Next step I guess is the vote.

We talked to one of our tenants who last year expressed interest in expanding his operations (he’s a landscaper who rents 2 of our buildings adjacent to our sheet metal shop). We wanted to put up another pole-barn for him, but the city refused. Well, anyways, talked to him yesterday, and told him what we would want to rent the building we occupy. He didn’t blink, he said that would be just fine.

So, it is almost a certainty at this point, that we will sell off, and lease out our current building to one of our tenants.

The emotions of it, have mostly passed (mostly), and once we started looking at the numbers, it just made sense to close up and move on.

Tonights card signing and the upcoming vote are nothing more than final nails in the coffin.

Anyways, I was talkin to my oldest buddy (from boot camp nonetheless), and he said something that struck home: “God provides good people with what they need, sometimes against their own will.”

Now, this took some explaining, as I didn’t understand, and he said “All of us around you have seen you lose sleep, and wrangle and fight to keep this company. We’ve all watched you suffer, your family suffer, and we’ve watched you and your wife sacrifice. We’ve all told you for years to either sell it or move on. Your doctor has told you to retire. So, now God has given you what you need, but you still don’t see it.”

His next bit of advice was to buy a Harley and come join him and his wife for a year. lol, now, I’m not sure about all that, but it may be just what the doctor ordered.


25 posted on 06/06/2011 6:06:11 PM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: esoxmagnum

Then I’d have all the trucks and equipment brought in and locked up, turn off the phones and forward your mail. Let the uniontards fend for themselves. They don’t need you now and you d@mn sure don’t need them!
Buy the Harley and enjoy life while you still can.
Good luck and God bless.


26 posted on 06/08/2011 4:50:04 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.)
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To: snuffy smiff

We’re leanin more and more that way as more folks encourage us to do the same.

Thanks for the nice words, and best regards to you :)


27 posted on 06/08/2011 5:58:26 PM PDT by esoxmagnum
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