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Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony
FOXNews.com ^ | June 2, 2011 | By Todd Starnes

Posted on 06/02/2011 5:48:40 PM PDT by metmom

A federal judge has ordered a Texas school district to prohibit public prayer at a high school graduation ceremony.

Chief U.S. District Judge Fred Biery’s order against the Medina Valley Independent School District also forbids students from using specific religious words including “prayer” and “amen.”

The ruling was in response to a lawsuit filed by Christa and Danny Schultz. Their son is among those scheduled to participate in Saturday’s graduation ceremony. The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed at the ceremony.

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said the school district is in the process of appealing the ruling, and his office has agreed to file a brief in their support.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: antitheism; arth; atheism; atheists; christophobia; graduation; medina; misotheism; prayer; tolerantleft; tx
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1 posted on 06/02/2011 5:48:43 PM PDT by metmom
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To: metmom

“The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed at the ceremony.”

That prayer thing must be some powerful stuff! ;-)


2 posted on 06/02/2011 5:51:13 PM PDT by angryoldfatman
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To: bamahead; wagglebee; little jeremiah; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

This is far more than just another reason to homeschool article.

This is trampling out our basics rights granted by the Constitution.

Has the judge never read the part about *not prohibiting the free exercise thereof*?

3 posted on 06/02/2011 5:51:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

This is getting ridiculous....Homeschool. If both parents HAVE to work than start classes at 6 when you get home and go until 11 at night. Have classes all day Saturday and 1/2 day Sunday. There is going to have to be sacrifices and if money is not able to be the sacrifice than time is going to have to be what needs to be sacrificed. It can be done. Some will ask what to do with the children during the day.....well there are perfect christian families that babysit and perhaps you could find someone to do that and ensure that wholesome activities are done during the day.


4 posted on 06/02/2011 5:53:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: metmom
The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed at the ceremony.

Fine. Just stay home then, and we'll put your diploma in the mail, you pathetic little whiner.

5 posted on 06/02/2011 5:53:04 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: metmom

time for massive civil disobedience - do the kids have the guts?


6 posted on 06/02/2011 5:53:35 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: metmom
Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes, and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own, nor those of my fellow-citizens at large less than either. No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than those of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency; and in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their united government the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities from which the event has resulted can not be compared with the means by which most governments have been established without some return of pious gratitude, along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me, I trust, in thinking that there are none under the influence of which the proceedings of a new and free government can more auspiciously commence.

What if they just quote from George Washington's first inaugural address?

7 posted on 06/02/2011 5:57:03 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: metmom
"The ruling was in response to a lawsuit filed by Christa and Danny Schultz. Their son is among those scheduled to participate in Saturday’s graduation ceremony. The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed at the ceremony."

That has got to be just about the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. So the entire graduating class has to abide by the wishes of some little atheistic twirp and his whining family?

I expect this kind of crap in a blue state but not in TX. They think prayer would inflict irreparable harm on them? Wait until their Judgment Day. Now THAT will be irreparable harm.
8 posted on 06/02/2011 5:57:56 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Saracuda.........game on in 2012!)
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To: silverleaf

I believe the last time that “control” was attempted at a high school graduation...the crowd launched into a “The Lord is my Shepard.....” routine. Folks sat there in shock and all went along with it. Law enforcement aren’t about to arrest you for such a “statement”.

All in all....a Federal judge can order all he wants...but it doesn’t mean much in real life.


9 posted on 06/02/2011 5:58:23 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: angryoldfatman; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; ...

I wonder is in the name of consistency, that the boy and his family never swear, using God’s name in vain.

What do they do if they hear about God on the street or in a restaurant? Sue them as well/

Maybe they’d be better off moving to some atheistic paradise, like NK, or Cuba. Surely things were better under Stalin or Pol Pot. They eradicated God from their societies.


10 posted on 06/02/2011 5:58:30 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: NWFLConservative

Hopefully the crowd will stand up and pray and screw the family, judge too.


11 posted on 06/02/2011 6:00:25 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: metmom

Like the man said - How did we get from “Congress shall pass no law concerning the establishment of religion.” to “The words prayer and amen are forbidden by law.” ?


12 posted on 06/02/2011 6:00:25 PM PDT by martian622 (The Revolution is being televised.)
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To: pepsionice

I heard about a school under a similar injunction

The valedictorian, after her closing remarks- “sneezed”

and the entire student body shouted “GOD BLESS YOU!”


13 posted on 06/02/2011 6:00:32 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: metmom
“It caused him a great deal of anxiety,”

So this was about making one kid feel a little less anxious. Here is what Antonin Scalia would say about that, from the book How to Write a Sentence by Stanley Fish.

"I found another of my favorite sentences while teaching the last big school-prayer case, Lee v. Weisman (1992). Mr. Weisman brought a cause of action against Nathan Bishop Middle School in Providence, Rhode Island ... because a thoroughly secular prayer had been read at his daughter's graduation. Weisman regarded the prayer as a breach of the First Amendment's prohibition against the state's establishing of a religion. A majority of the Supreme Court justices agreed with him and reasoned that even though the prayer had no sectarian content and made no demands on the students, who were free to ignore it, its very rehearsal was an act of "psychological coercion." This was too much for Justice Scalia, who, after citing a fellow jurist's complaint that establishment clause jurisprudence was becoming so byzantine that it was in danger of becoming a form of interior decorating, got off this zinger:

"Interior decorating is a rock-hard science compared to psychology practiced by amateurs." "

14 posted on 06/02/2011 6:01:06 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: angryoldfatman

Atheists, ironically, are especially susceptible to the result of prayer.


15 posted on 06/02/2011 6:01:12 PM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: metmom

Have people actually forgotten what “suffer irreparable harm” actually means??

This ruling is a slap in the face to people who have actually been harmed irreparably in this world.


16 posted on 06/02/2011 6:03:03 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: metmom

Defy the judge’s order. Let him send Federal Marshals to arrest people in prayer.


17 posted on 06/02/2011 6:03:09 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: napscoordinator; All

I teach in W. Texas and there was an invocation in Jesus name led by a student to start the graduation last week.

As long as it is student-led, it is constitutional.

This ruling is ridiculous.


18 posted on 06/02/2011 6:03:40 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: silverleaf

Be a damn shame if they all showed up with bullhorns and recited the Lord’s Prayer. Damn shame.

Good luck with that court case...er a couple hundred of’em all demanding jury trials for the ‘crime’ ... Your ‘Honor’.

Then have the parents and kids all give interviews across the region to inform the taxpayers just how much that the feds just cost them and ask that they vote accordingly to prevent this from happening again. I really don’t see any other option to wake people up. If they want to pay for thousands of court trials every graduation, every year all across the country, then we are over as a Republic anyway.


19 posted on 06/02/2011 6:04:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: metmom
There can be no doubt the judge has a red arm band with a swastika on it hidden under his bench; and the Schulz's ~ time for them to give up that WWII stuff and join the future.

I have suspicions they've got some dead Jews buried in their lawn.

20 posted on 06/02/2011 6:04:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: metmom

No

God, prayer, amen, Bibles...

Yes

your parents are idiots and we’re here to help
sex between boys and boys and girls and girls
cross dressing
sex is okay if you use protection
medicating you, is just what we do
if you’re pregnant we can help get you an abortion
republicans are criminals against humanity
democrats are your best friends, they really care
consummate Marxists on campus
reasoned Conservatives are banned
staff is 90% democrat


21 posted on 06/02/2011 6:04:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Come up with a better political belief system, and I'll adopt it as my own.)
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To: metmom

“The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed at the ceremony.”

The Schultz kid must be a real wuss. :p


22 posted on 06/02/2011 6:04:54 PM PDT by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: metmom
The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone

These parents should keep this fragile flower home in a bubble. Mommy and Daddy will not be able to hold his hand through life.

23 posted on 06/02/2011 6:07:09 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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To: metmom

This is what happened in our little Tennessee town:

“Roane County High School Kingston, Tennessee:
This is a statement that was read over the PA system at the football game at Roane County High School, Kingston, Tennessee by school Principal Jody McLoud,
on September 1, 2000. It clearly shows just how
far this country has gone in the wrong direction.

“It has always been the custom at Roane County High School football games to say a prayer and play the National Anthem to honor God and Country.
Due to a recent ruling by the Supreme Court, I am told that saying a prayer is a violation of Federal Case Law.

As I understand the law at this time, I can use this public facility to approve of sexual perversion and call it an alternate lifestyle, and if someone is offended, that’s OK.
I can use it to condone sexual promiscuity by dispensing condoms and calling it safe sex. If someone is offended, that’s OK.

I can even use this public facility to present the merits of killing an unborn baby as a viable means of birth control. If someone is offended, no problem. I can designate a school day as earth day and involve students in activities
to religiously worship and praise the goddess, mother earth, and call it ecology.

I can use literature, videos and presentations in the classroom that depict people with strong, traditional Christian convictions as simple minded and ignorant and call it enlightenment. However, if anyone uses this facility to honor God and ask Him to bless this event with safety and good sportsmanship, Federal Case Law is violated.

This appears to be inconsistent at best, and at worst, diabolical. Apparently, we are to be tolerant of everything and anyone except God and His Commandments.

Nevertheless, as a school principal, I frequently ask staff and students to abide by rules which they do not necessarily agree. For me to do otherwise would be inconsistent at best, and at worst, hypocritical. I suffer from that affliction enough unintentionally. I certainly do not need to add an intentional transgression.

For this reason, I shall, “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s,” and refrain from praying at this time. However, if you feel inspired to honor, praise and thank God, and ask Him in the name of Jesus to bless this event, please feel free to do so. As far as I know, that’s not against the law- yet.”

AND...one by one, the people in the stands bowed their heads, held hands with one another, and began to pray.
They prayed in the stands. They prayed in the team huddles. They prayed at the concession stand. And they prayed in the announcer’s box. The only place they didn’t pray was in the Supreme Court of the United States of America - the seat of “justice” in the one nation under God. Somehow, Kingston, Tennessee, remembered what so many have forgotten... we are given the Freedom OF Religion, not the Freedom FROM Religion. “


24 posted on 06/02/2011 6:08:01 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: acapesket

A federal judge has ordered a Texas school district to prohibit public prayer at a high school graduation ceremony.

Bet he would never, ever issue that type of a ruling on Muslim Students.


25 posted on 06/02/2011 6:09:58 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: metmom
Chief U.S. District Judge Fred Biery, another in the long list of black robed tyrants to whom the Constitution means nothing.
26 posted on 06/02/2011 6:10:40 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: acapesket

Or better yet, pray for the kid, his family and the Judge, that they abandon their atheistic ways and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

That would REALLY create a baseball sized hail storm.


27 posted on 06/02/2011 6:10:50 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Saracuda.........game on in 2012!)
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To: angryoldfatman

If Christians really want to fight this infringement of their exercise of religion, they should have the Christian students pick up their diplomas at school and then meet at a local church for a service of thanksgiving that these young people have graduated. Cut the school completely out of the celebration. Let this whiny atheist and his parents and the cowards in the school administration hold their very short anti-God graduation on school grounds.


28 posted on 06/02/2011 6:15:18 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: MayflowerMadam

That is WONDERFUL!!!!

People should have a contingency plan for events such as that.

Stand up and either start singing *God Bless America* or reciting the Lord’s Prayer, or Psalm 23, something widely known.

People would join in.


29 posted on 06/02/2011 6:15:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: silverleaf
time for massive civil disobedience - do the kids have the guts?

So if someone stands up and starts reciting the Lord's Prayer and the entire audience joins in, what are they going to do? Arrest everyone?

They'd get a big lesson in jury nullification.

30 posted on 06/02/2011 6:18:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: gusopol3
What if they just quote from George Washington's first inaugural address?

Excellent solution. If only they would do it, the slap to the judiciary would be epic.

31 posted on 06/02/2011 6:19:23 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: silverleaf

They did in Pace, FL a couple years ago.


32 posted on 06/02/2011 6:20:25 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: kittymyrib

What a hoot if the entire graduating class moved the ceremony to a nearby church and let the little whiner walk the stage himself with only his parents watching, instead of making him the center of attention.


33 posted on 06/02/2011 6:20:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix; WKB; greyfoxx39; Vision; left that other site; NYer

Freedom of religion ping


34 posted on 06/02/2011 6:23:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

This..is..war...!

Too few blows have been struck into flesh, and that’s all I’m going to say.


35 posted on 06/02/2011 6:23:52 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam.")
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To: NWFLConservative
Wait until their Judgment Day. Now THAT will be irreparable harm.

Yeah, going to Hell can really put a damper on having a nice day.

36 posted on 06/02/2011 6:24:43 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
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To: silverleaf
time for massive civil disobedience - do the kids have the guts?

Why not have a mass prayer outside before the event begins?

Why must people who are not of your religion be forced to pray your prayer?

Would you be OK with a Muslim lead prayer?

Matthew 6:5-6 King James Version (KJV)

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

37 posted on 06/02/2011 6:24:56 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: metmom

Tell the Judge to go to hell.


38 posted on 06/02/2011 6:27:07 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: metmom
Here is information about this so called “reverend” who supports this insane ruling. What kind of man of the cloth could look himself in the mirror each morning knowing his words and actions are actually undermining the Word of God???

 

I can tell you what kind, a heretic and a fraud.

39 posted on 06/02/2011 6:27:09 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Saracuda.........game on in 2012!)
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To: Eagle Eye

I remember that, it made the paper big time. Pace is 15 minutes down the road from here.


40 posted on 06/02/2011 6:29:46 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Saracuda.........game on in 2012!)
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To: metmom
...lawsuit filed by Christa and Danny Schultz.

Gee, I wonder who Christa and Danny were named for?

41 posted on 06/02/2011 6:30:35 PM PDT by 386wt (House value, Savings Interest, SS no raise 2 Yrs. War is against Old Folks!)
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To: Doe Eyes
You are taking the whole thing out of context. The students and their guests are being ordered by a jack booted government thug (the judge) to bow down to Ba'al.

The correct thing to do ~ presuming the judge can't murder you on the spot, is to REBEL.

42 posted on 06/02/2011 6:33:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: angryoldfatman
It's Ok to call one a MF'r but for Heaven's sake
don't say "amen".
43 posted on 06/02/2011 6:34:23 PM PDT by cliff630
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To: Doe Eyes

“Would you be OK with a Muslim lead prayer?”

If I lived in Iran, Yes. Thats a Muzzie country.
America is a christian country founded on christian principals... or am I mistaken? We pray (if at all) to God. Those who choose not to, do not have to. Nowhere does the Constitution. Bill of Rights guarantee freedom “from” religion...


44 posted on 06/02/2011 6:34:58 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: DoughtyOne

You forgot “rage against the machine”, hate America, kill your parents, and overthrow the government. These items are being taught and encouraged by leading educators who themselves have been taught in seminars by that serious educator from Chicago’ Barack Obama’s friend, Bill Ayers.


45 posted on 06/02/2011 6:35:11 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Thank you veterans for keeping us free. Now we have to free ourselves from Obama tyranny)
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To: kittymyrib
The problem here is that you FORCE students to go into a church which is not their own.
46 posted on 06/02/2011 6:35:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: metmom
First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Guess the judge chose to ignore the highlighted part,

47 posted on 06/02/2011 6:36:32 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: metmom
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48 posted on 06/02/2011 6:39:26 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Doe Eyes

“Why must people who are not of your religion be forced to pray your prayer?”

false argument. All this kid has to do is remain silent. That used to be called “religious tolerance”. As it has been for this school for decades.


49 posted on 06/02/2011 6:42:23 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Semperfiwife

I hear ya. Good questions...


50 posted on 06/02/2011 6:48:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Come up with a better political belief system, and I'll adopt it as my own.)
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