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Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman and the GOP: America is ready for a Mormon president
Telegraph UK ^ | June 3, 2011 | Tim Stanley

Posted on 06/03/2011 8:00:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The GOP race now has two Mormon candidates – Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman. Predictably, the question of whether or not America is ready for a Mormon President has been raised on both sides of the Atlantic. To be fair to the critics, the theology and history of the Church of the Latter-Day Saints is a little eccentric.


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But Romney and Huntsman should not run away from their church. Indeed, they would do well to put it front and centre of their campaigns, to challenge the fragile tolerance of the 21st century electorate. They should seize this opportunity to promote a much-maligned and misunderstood faith – a faith that, coincidentally, could have electoral benefits. Mormons tend to be well-educated and surprisingly cosmopolitan people.


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Romney and Huntsman could exploit the Church of Latter-Day Saints’ history of terrible persecution. Joseph Smith and his army of wives were driven from state to state, fleeing angry mobs wherever he settled. In 1844, the prophet was dragged from jail by an angry mob and murdered. His killers were acquitted by sympathetic juries. The Mormons have a narrative of suffering and survival against the odds that makes their story far more universal than their peculiar theology suggests. 


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The story of persecution would play well among a Christian minority who feel similarly neglected, or oppressed, by the modern liberal state. The Church’s reputation for social conservatism could help cover up the flip-flopping that Romney has pulled off on abortion.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: huntsman; inman; mormon; persecution; romney
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To: greyfoxx39
Why are the Mormon candidates running for president moderate/leftists?

Must make Catholics feel better about being saddled with the Kennedys.

51 posted on 06/03/2011 9:16:52 AM PDT by Crichton
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To: greyfoxx39

Why not a Mormon president? After all, we have been pretty close to that for two years. Since January 20, 2009 we have had a MORON president. He would only be adding on letter to what we have now.


52 posted on 06/03/2011 9:21:18 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: greyfoxx39

If America can elect a pro-terrorist mooslim to the Whitehouse, I think America can elect someone from the Mormon faith. At least the Mormon church doesn’t call for death to America, Americans, Israel and Jews.


53 posted on 06/03/2011 9:21:28 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (If I weren't afraid of the feds, I would refer to Obama as our "undocumented POTUS")
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To: greyfoxx39

“...grassroots conservatives should find commonalities with an LDS candidate. The story of persecution would play well among a Christian minority who feel similarly neglected, or oppressed, by the modern liberal state.”

Uh, “Vote for me, I’m a VICTIM”.

This is purely, unadulterated drivel.


54 posted on 06/03/2011 9:23:00 AM PDT by miele man
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To: greyfoxx39

So, is the point here that is Romney doesn’t win the nomination, it is because Republican primary voters are bigots?


55 posted on 06/03/2011 9:23:29 AM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: greyfoxx39
**Romney and Huntsman could exploit the Church of Latter-Day Saints’ history of terrible persecution. Joseph Smith and his army of wives were driven from state to state**

???????

56 posted on 06/03/2011 9:26:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: greyfoxx39
**help cover up the flip-flopping that Romney has pulled off on abortion.**

????? So is this saying the Mormon Church covers up things??????

57 posted on 06/03/2011 9:29:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: greyfoxx39

We don’t know that Huntsman is still a Mormon. He’s even squishy on that topic.


58 posted on 06/03/2011 9:29:25 AM PDT by DManA
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To: miele man

Eggzackly!


59 posted on 06/03/2011 9:30:18 AM PDT by old school
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To: Red Badger
The actions of Harry Reid in the past two years are a harbinger of the kind of power that a mormon theocracy would bring. It wouldn't be any better than what Zero is doing now in destroying freedom in this country.

Living the Principles of the Law of Consecration-by President Marion G. Romney

“If thou lovest me thou shalt serve the and keep all my commandments.“And behold, thou wilt remember the poor, and consecrate of thy properties for their support that which thou hast to impart unto them, with a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken.

“And inasmuch as ye impart of your substance unto the poor, ye will do it unto me; and they shall be laid before the bishop of my church and his counselors, two of the elders, or high priests; such as he shall appoint or has appointed and set apart for that purpose.“And it shall come to pass, that after they are laid before the bishop of my church, and after that he has received these testimonies concerning the consecration of the properties of my church, that they cannot be taken from the church, agreeable to my commandments, every man shall be made accountable unto me, a steward over his own property, or that which he has received by consecration, as much as is sufficient for himself and family.” (D&C 42:29–32)

More food for thought here: ■

■ “Some members of the Church have an erroneous idea that when the millennium comes all of the people are going to be swept off the earth except righteous members of the Church. That is not so. There will be millions of people, Catholics, Protestants, agnostics, Mohammedans, people of all classes, and of all beliefs, still permitted to remain upon the face of the earth, but they will be those who have lived clean lives, those who have been free from wickedness and corruption. All who belong, by virtue of their good lives, to the terrestrial order, as well as those who have kept the celestial law, will remain upon the face of the earth during the millennium.

“Eventually, however, the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters do the sea. But there will be need for the preaching of the gospel, after the millennium is brought in, until all men are either converted or pass away” (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:86–87).

60 posted on 06/03/2011 9:37:24 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: greyfoxx39

America is not ready for another obama liberal. Romney will never make it out of the primaries not because he is lds but because he is a stink’n liberal.


61 posted on 06/03/2011 9:42:38 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: taxcontrol

Then explain the 92% vote in Utah. They may tell you that, I can tell you (have lds relatives) lds trumps everything else.


62 posted on 06/03/2011 9:44:16 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: LegendHasIt

Name one lds elected to a federal or high state level that is not a liberal. Romney and Hunstman would be better served running as democrats.


63 posted on 06/03/2011 9:46:32 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: MrB
I think that should be Independence, Missouri. Independence, KS, is a small town in the southeastern part of Kansas and probably wasn't settled until after the migration to Utah. Indpendence, Missouri, is the county seat of Jackson County and was the main city in the area when the early Mormons lived in that part of Missouri (Kansas City wasn't started until about 1845).

Some of my ancestors were early settlers in Jackson County (about 1831) but I don't know if they had any interactions with the Mormons--probably too busy farming. A great-uncle (by marriage) went on a wagon trail to Salt Lake City in 1865. According to his memoir, written about 1925, the Mormons had very negative attitudes towards Missourians at that time ("if they had known I was from Missouri, my hide wouldn't have been worth shucks").

64 posted on 06/03/2011 9:56:35 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: greyfoxx39; All
But Romney and Huntsman should not run away from their church. Indeed, they would do well to put it front and centre of their campaigns, to challenge the fragile tolerance of the 21st century electorate. They should seize this opportunity to promote a much-maligned and misunderstood faith – a faith that, coincidentally, could have electoral benefits. Mormons tend to be well-educated and surprisingly cosmopolitan people.

Right - put it out there front and center - and then try to explain the work of fiction that is the book of mormon and the book of abraham. Put it out there front and center the mormon belief that they will progress to be gods. Put it out there front and center that mormons believe THEY are the only true church and that the rest of us belong to the church of the devil. Put it out there mutt/huntsman supporters.

And for the nay-sayers who say that their mormon beliefs have nothing to do with their ability to be president and we should discuss it - better pass the memo to the mittbots and huntsmanites out there. THEY want to make it part of their campaigns - WE can and most certainly do have the privilage of examining the religion that forms THEIR WORLDVIEW and is the basis for their judgements and decisions.


65 posted on 06/03/2011 9:59:42 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Verginius Rufus

You’re right, it is Independence, Mo...

Regardless, Independence Mo/Ks will not be the New Jeruselem, Jesus is not Satan’s brother, God was not once a man, and we will not be gods with our own planets and harems.


66 posted on 06/03/2011 10:09:15 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: svcw

I’m not sure if that is an argument with what I posted, a misreading of what I posted, or merely a convenience reply click.

I couldn’t answer your question either way, because I don’t care what religion that federal or state level are unless they make a big deal of it. I only care about how they govern.

My point was: All the Mormons I know are hardcore conservatives. Socially and fiscally. Romney and Huntsman are not. Therefore are “Not the Mormons that we are ready for”. I agree that Romney and Huntsman are, by their actions, centrist leaning Democrats : i.e. Populist / RINOs

Unless you are just a Mormon hater because of religious chauvinism, you, as an apparent strong conservative, would probably like the way that the Mormons that I KNOW would govern.


67 posted on 06/03/2011 10:11:26 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt
mormon hater - good grief
You said your lds acquaintances don't care for Romney or Huntsman, I am telling you because of who lds elect to office that lds trumps everything else.
That in no means I am a mormon hater, I do however loath morminISM.
68 posted on 06/03/2011 10:16:40 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: greyfoxx39

All that presupposes that Harry Reid is a good practicing Mormon.
There are good and bad of every religious stripe, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist.
He may be a Mormon in name only, like the Kennedys were Catholic..............


69 posted on 06/03/2011 10:25:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (I killed Schrodinger's Cat with Occam's Razor.................)
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To: svcw

We are apparently both misunderstanding each others point. And it isn’t worth wasting time trying to clarify. Have a good day.


70 posted on 06/03/2011 10:27:36 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: yldstrk

You think that’s somethin’?

Wait until you find out about the cork submarines and the purple Planet Kolob.


71 posted on 06/03/2011 10:34:24 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Salvation

Well, they’ve covered up their collaboration with and ties to the Nazis for years


72 posted on 06/03/2011 10:38:02 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: svcw
I doubt that Romney will be the nominee--too much of a "moderate Republican" to win the critical primaries. If he wins N.H., that will be discounted because he was governor of Massachusetts.

Obama wants to take the country to hell in a handbasket--at a mad dash. At worst Mitt wants to do the same at a more leisurely pace.

73 posted on 06/03/2011 10:40:18 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: LegendHasIt; svcw
Unless you are just a Mormon hater because of religious chauvinism

The article states outright that the Romney/Huntsman campaigns would benefit from playing the "victim card" and that is acceptable. Someone takes exception with that and is in your eyes immediately a "mormon hater"?

The "mormon hate" began with Joseph Smith declaring that his god told him that all of Christianity "is an abomination" and leaders for more than 150 years have denigrated Christians and Christianity. When 52,000 mormon missionaries go out every day and proclaim that "god removed his "true" church from the earth for centuries and only restored it to a NY con man and the only way to salvation is through the mormon church...that's "hate".

Check out this example.

Mormon Leaders on Christianity

74 posted on 06/03/2011 10:43:02 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: Red Badger
All that presupposes that Harry Reid is a good practicing Mormon.

The mormon church keeps Harry's temple recommend active. That's the badge of a "good practicing mormon".

75 posted on 06/03/2011 10:47:20 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m obviously not communicating my thoughts well today. You, an old FRiend, should know me better, though. I better quit while I’m behind before I get ‘behinder’. Have a good day, I’m outta here


76 posted on 06/03/2011 10:49:08 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: greyfoxx39
“mormon hater” is the fall back when there are no facts or cogent thoughts, just like racist.
mormons love to play the victim card, just like all liberals. Now am I saying that mormons are liberals no, but they will vote for a liberal lds member before a conservative Christian.
I guess I am a Christ chauvinistic person, and I will respond to that by saying - hallelujah.
77 posted on 06/03/2011 10:58:41 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Red Badger
Actually Reid has a temple recommendation, which means he is a mormon in good standing, as well as BYU gave him an award last year for all his good works. I stand by “lds trumps all”.
78 posted on 06/03/2011 11:01:10 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: yldstrk
The reason you don’t give a RA about Mormon is because you do NOT understand the ideology of it...........and so you show you are ignorant

Oh, really . . . I'm ignorant? Tell me please, where is the planet Kolob? Do you really see Joseph Smith AND Jesus when you die? Where the hell are the "gold" plates? Why did Smith have 41 wives? Is the Christian God the only God? How many are there with Mr. Smith? You just got me started, Ace. I have a whole bunch more.

You have a man-made, poorly constructed religion by a fortune seeker who was run out of a number of cities for embezzlement, fooling around with other people's wives and daughters, and destroying public property.

Who is ignorant?

79 posted on 06/03/2011 11:01:37 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Georgia Girl 2
If Bachmann or Cain turn Mormon I guess I could live with it.

So if conservative candidate XYZ says @ a press conference tomorrow, "I'm a god-in-embryo on my way to full-grown-up godhood," that doesn't phase you in the least about...
...his/her spiritual gullibility (and general gullibility)?...
...his/her lack of discernment?...
...etc.

80 posted on 06/03/2011 11:02:39 AM PDT by Colofornian (Key Q for Romney & Huntsman: Show us your spirit-birth certificate from Kolob)
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To: LegendHasIt
My point was: All the Mormons I know are hardcore conservatives. Socially and fiscally. Romney and Huntsman are not. Therefore are “Not the Mormons that we are ready for”. I agree that Romney and Huntsman are, by their actions, centrist leaning Democrats : i.e. Populist / RINOs

I agree with your observations re: mutt and huntsman - populist RINOS. Yet the mormon community in 2008 voted 90%+ for mutt. Were they voting their 'conservatism' or their religion? If they were the social/fiscial conservatives you say - then they voted based on religion and not conservatism.

81 posted on 06/03/2011 11:05:06 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Colofornian

Don’t worry about it. Its not going to happen. Get upset about something else.


82 posted on 06/03/2011 11:25:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: laweeks; camle; KarlInOhio; Antoninus; chargers fan; Ingtar; Red Badger; Brookhaven; ...
* I don't give a flying rat's ass about being a Mormon. [laweeks]

* ...we may be ready for a mormon prez...[camle, post #3]

* Could I accept a Mormon president? Yes, but not the two who are running. [karlinohio, post #6]

* I'd have no trouble voting for a Morman. [Antoninus, post #8]

* Not saying I’d vote for Romney in the primary (I’m a Cain guy myself) but I’d vote for a Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu... shoot even Buddist president if they are commited to the principles of the free market, personal liberty, and the Constitution. [Chargers fan, post #10]

* Find me a good candidate who is also LDS, and I will support them... [Ingtar, post #16]

* Who gives a damn what their religion is? It’s their policy that matters. [Red Badger, post #39]

* Romney's religious beliefs are the least of his problems; [Brookhaven, post #42]

* For me, it is not an issue of being Mormon. [ridesthemiles, post #45]

My new tagline: I already have a God as my leader. Why do I need ANOTHER one as POTUS?

I guess my question for most of those I pinged -- and referenced their posts above:

If a certain Rev. Wright...
...had given a certain sermon...
...when Obama was a member under his spiritual tutelage...
...& the sermon content proclaimed Obama as THE Messiah...
...why would such a sacrilege be suddenly "irrelevant" to so many FREEPERS?

There's just no way we would have had the liberal campus advisement of "tolerance of all things religious" come out from FREEPERS had Wright said such a thing about Obama. FREEPERS would have been all over that!

What way too many FREEPERS wouldn't stand for a Democrat saying..."I am -- or He is -- the Messiah...I am or He is a god"...is suddenly A-OK if a "conservative" proclaims it?

You mean to tell me that it's irrelevant to you if your one-day fave candidate -- as long as he has other "conservative" credentials...thinks he's a baby god on his way to full-grown godhood?

83 posted on 06/03/2011 11:41:33 AM PDT by Colofornian (I already have a God as my leader. Why do I need ANOTHER one as POTUS?)
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To: MrB

....But... since they have “Jesus Christ” in their long name, they’re “Christians”...

No they’re not! muslims revere Jesus as a “prophet”, but that doesn’t make them “Christians”, does it?

Mormonism has a lot in common with islam.

As for Mormon theocracy and land-claims, lookie here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret


84 posted on 06/03/2011 11:42:26 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Utah Binger
I got the garment check at least ten times that day

Ouch!

:^)

85 posted on 06/03/2011 11:44:00 AM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Zakeet

The Book of Mormon (BOM) has been scientifically falsified.

The BOM states that the American Indians are descendants of the Israelites. However, modern genetics shows that the Indians are descendants of Siberians, not Israelites or any other Middle Eastern or Mediterranean people.

Mormons, many of whom are good people, need to deal with the issue of the utter falsity of their scriptures other than the Bible. I do not see any mass exodus from Mormonism as of yet, however.


86 posted on 06/03/2011 11:52:30 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: greyfoxx39

87 posted on 06/03/2011 11:57:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
To be fair to the critics, the theology and history of the Church of the Latter-Day Saints is a little eccentric.

I'm a little bit pregnant.


88 posted on 06/03/2011 11:59:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
They should seize this opportunity to promote a much-maligned and misunderstood faith – a faith that, coincidentally, could have electoral benefits.

Hang on!

You soon will begin to UNDERSTAND this 'faith' and the reasons that it is MALIGNED!

I'm not so sure about the BENEFITs though...

89 posted on 06/03/2011 12:01:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

If the candidate believes we are all descended from baboons and are waiting for a spaceship to take us back to the home planet is irrelevant. Religious beliefs are all based on faith............


90 posted on 06/03/2011 12:02:57 PM PDT by Red Badger (I killed Schrodinger's Cat with Occam's Razor.................)
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To: greyfoxx39
Romney and Huntsman could exploit the Church of Latter-Day Saints’ history of terrible persecution. Joseph Smith and his army of wives were driven from state to state, fleeing angry mobs wherever he settled. In 1844, the prophet was dragged from jail by an angry mob and murdered. His killers were acquitted by sympathetic juries. The Mormons have a narrative of suffering and survival against the odds that makes their story far more universal than their peculiar theology suggests.

poor babies!!

(WHERE was the BARF alert?)

91 posted on 06/03/2011 12:03:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: yldstrk
One wife for life, no beliefs that you will become a “god” when you croak.

You inadvertantly got that right!


Romans 7:2 (niv)

For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.

92 posted on 06/03/2011 12:05:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MissMack99
...is the second to last thing America is ready for (another term of zero being the last).

Penultimate is the word..................

93 posted on 06/03/2011 12:05:41 PM PDT by Red Badger (I killed Schrodinger's Cat with Occam's Razor.................)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Romney and Huntsman could exploit the Church of Latter-Day Saints’ history of terrible persecution.

How?

After all, that printing press thing seems like something they'd want to downplay; along with MORMONism's founder's penchant for lying, cheating, scamming and false prophecying.

Then there is that little thing about the Fancher party, Danites and polygamy: which is STILL 'scriptural'!

94 posted on 06/03/2011 12:09:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Zakeet
...the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

Did SOMEone say BLACKNESS??





 

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



 

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)




95 posted on 06/03/2011 12:12:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Joseph Smith and his army of wives

           Decisions decisions!

 
Fanny Alger
Lucinda Morgan Harris
Louisa Beaman
Zina Huntington Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell
Agnes Coolbrith
Sylvia Sessions Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland
Delcena Johnson
Eliza R. Snow
Sarah Ann Whitney
Martha McBride Knight
Ruth Vose Sayers
Flora Ann Woodworth
Emily Dow Partridge
Eliza Maria Partridge
Almera Johnson
Lucy Walker
Sarah Lawrence
Maria Lawrence
Helen Mar Kimball
Hanna Ells
Elvira Cowles Holmes
Rhoda Richards
Desdemona Fullmer
Olive Frost
Melissa Lott
Nancy Winchester
Fanny Young
 
Emma Hale only!!
 
 


96 posted on 06/03/2011 12:13:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
How DARE you put WORDS in my mouth, AMPU!!

It is ony I that can put words into GOD's mouth!


97 posted on 06/03/2011 12:15:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Honorary Serb

I guess you missed the inherent sarcasm tag.


98 posted on 06/03/2011 12:16:51 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: LegendHasIt
I’ve liked and respected every Mormon I have known, even halfway considered converting, despite some of their ritual oddities.

A little nooky and you'd have bitten the bullet; Glenn!

99 posted on 06/03/2011 12:17:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
If Bachmann or Cain turn Mormon I guess I could live with it.

I HIGHLY recommend not DYING with it!

100 posted on 06/03/2011 12:18:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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