Skip to comments.Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman and the GOP: America is ready for a Mormon president
Posted on 06/03/2011 8:00:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
The GOP race now has two Mormon candidates Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman. Predictably, the question of whether or not America is ready for a Mormon President has been raised on both sides of the Atlantic. To be fair to the critics, the theology and history of the Church of the Latter-Day Saints is a little eccentric.
But Romney and Huntsman should not run away from their church. Indeed, they would do well to put it front and centre of their campaigns, to challenge the fragile tolerance of the 21st century electorate. They should seize this opportunity to promote a much-maligned and misunderstood faith a faith that, coincidentally, could have electoral benefits. Mormons tend to be well-educated and surprisingly cosmopolitan people.
Romney and Huntsman could exploit the Church of Latter-Day Saints history of terrible persecution. Joseph Smith and his army of wives were driven from state to state, fleeing angry mobs wherever he settled. In 1844, the prophet was dragged from jail by an angry mob and murdered. His killers were acquitted by sympathetic juries. The Mormons have a narrative of suffering and survival against the odds that makes their story far more universal than their peculiar theology suggests.
The story of persecution would play well among a Christian minority who feel similarly neglected, or oppressed, by the modern liberal state. The Churchs reputation for social conservatism could help cover up the flip-flopping that Romney has pulled off on abortion.
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Must make Catholics feel better about being saddled with the Kennedys.
Why not a Mormon president? After all, we have been pretty close to that for two years. Since January 20, 2009 we have had a MORON president. He would only be adding on letter to what we have now.
If America can elect a pro-terrorist mooslim to the Whitehouse, I think America can elect someone from the Mormon faith. At least the Mormon church doesn’t call for death to America, Americans, Israel and Jews.
“...grassroots conservatives should find commonalities with an LDS candidate. The story of persecution would play well among a Christian minority who feel similarly neglected, or oppressed, by the modern liberal state.”
Uh, “Vote for me, I’m a VICTIM”.
This is purely, unadulterated drivel.
So, is the point here that is Romney doesn’t win the nomination, it is because Republican primary voters are bigots?
????? So is this saying the Mormon Church covers up things??????
We don’t know that Huntsman is still a Mormon. He’s even squishy on that topic.
If thou lovest me thou shalt serve the and keep all my commandments.And behold, thou wilt remember the poor, and consecrate of thy properties for their support that which thou hast to impart unto them, with a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken.
And inasmuch as ye impart of your substance unto the poor, ye will do it unto me; and they shall be laid before the bishop of my church and his counselors, two of the elders, or high priests; such as he shall appoint or has appointed and set apart for that purpose.And it shall come to pass, that after they are laid before the bishop of my church, and after that he has received these testimonies concerning the consecration of the properties of my church, that they cannot be taken from the church, agreeable to my commandments, every man shall be made accountable unto me, a steward over his own property, or that which he has received by consecration, as much as is sufficient for himself and family. (D&C 42:2932)
More food for thought here: ■
■ Some members of the Church have an erroneous idea that when the millennium comes all of the people are going to be swept off the earth except righteous members of the Church. That is not so. There will be millions of people, Catholics, Protestants, agnostics, Mohammedans, people of all classes, and of all beliefs, still permitted to remain upon the face of the earth, but they will be those who have lived clean lives, those who have been free from wickedness and corruption. All who belong, by virtue of their good lives, to the terrestrial order, as well as those who have kept the celestial law, will remain upon the face of the earth during the millennium.
Eventually, however, the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters do the sea. But there will be need for the preaching of the gospel, after the millennium is brought in, until all men are either converted or pass away (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:8687).
America is not ready for another obama liberal. Romney will never make it out of the primaries not because he is lds but because he is a stink’n liberal.
Then explain the 92% vote in Utah. They may tell you that, I can tell you (have lds relatives) lds trumps everything else.
Name one lds elected to a federal or high state level that is not a liberal. Romney and Hunstman would be better served running as democrats.
Some of my ancestors were early settlers in Jackson County (about 1831) but I don't know if they had any interactions with the Mormons--probably too busy farming. A great-uncle (by marriage) went on a wagon trail to Salt Lake City in 1865. According to his memoir, written about 1925, the Mormons had very negative attitudes towards Missourians at that time ("if they had known I was from Missouri, my hide wouldn't have been worth shucks").
Right - put it out there front and center - and then try to explain the work of fiction that is the book of mormon and the book of abraham. Put it out there front and center the mormon belief that they will progress to be gods. Put it out there front and center that mormons believe THEY are the only true church and that the rest of us belong to the church of the devil. Put it out there mutt/huntsman supporters.
And for the nay-sayers who say that their mormon beliefs have nothing to do with their ability to be president and we should discuss it - better pass the memo to the mittbots and huntsmanites out there. THEY want to make it part of their campaigns - WE can and most certainly do have the privilage of examining the religion that forms THEIR WORLDVIEW and is the basis for their judgements and decisions.
You’re right, it is Independence, Mo...
Regardless, Independence Mo/Ks will not be the New Jeruselem, Jesus is not Satan’s brother, God was not once a man, and we will not be gods with our own planets and harems.
I’m not sure if that is an argument with what I posted, a misreading of what I posted, or merely a convenience reply click.
I couldn’t answer your question either way, because I don’t care what religion that federal or state level are unless they make a big deal of it. I only care about how they govern.
My point was: All the Mormons I know are hardcore conservatives. Socially and fiscally. Romney and Huntsman are not. Therefore are “Not the Mormons that we are ready for”. I agree that Romney and Huntsman are, by their actions, centrist leaning Democrats : i.e. Populist / RINOs
Unless you are just a Mormon hater because of religious chauvinism, you, as an apparent strong conservative, would probably like the way that the Mormons that I KNOW would govern.
All that presupposes that Harry Reid is a good practicing Mormon.
There are good and bad of every religious stripe, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist.
He may be a Mormon in name only, like the Kennedys were Catholic..............
We are apparently both misunderstanding each others point. And it isn’t worth wasting time trying to clarify. Have a good day.
You think that’s somethin’?
Wait until you find out about the cork submarines and the purple Planet Kolob.
Well, they’ve covered up their collaboration with and ties to the Nazis for years
Obama wants to take the country to hell in a handbasket--at a mad dash. At worst Mitt wants to do the same at a more leisurely pace.
The article states outright that the Romney/Huntsman campaigns would benefit from playing the "victim card" and that is acceptable. Someone takes exception with that and is in your eyes immediately a "mormon hater"?
The "mormon hate" began with Joseph Smith declaring that his god told him that all of Christianity "is an abomination" and leaders for more than 150 years have denigrated Christians and Christianity. When 52,000 mormon missionaries go out every day and proclaim that "god removed his "true" church from the earth for centuries and only restored it to a NY con man and the only way to salvation is through the mormon church...that's "hate".
Check out this example.
The mormon church keeps Harry's temple recommend active. That's the badge of a "good practicing mormon".
I’m obviously not communicating my thoughts well today. You, an old FRiend, should know me better, though. I better quit while I’m behind before I get ‘behinder’. Have a good day, I’m outta here
Oh, really . . . I'm ignorant? Tell me please, where is the planet Kolob? Do you really see Joseph Smith AND Jesus when you die? Where the hell are the "gold" plates? Why did Smith have 41 wives? Is the Christian God the only God? How many are there with Mr. Smith? You just got me started, Ace. I have a whole bunch more.
You have a man-made, poorly constructed religion by a fortune seeker who was run out of a number of cities for embezzlement, fooling around with other people's wives and daughters, and destroying public property.
Who is ignorant?
So if conservative candidate XYZ says @ a press conference tomorrow, "I'm a god-in-embryo on my way to full-grown-up godhood," that doesn't phase you in the least about...
...his/her spiritual gullibility (and general gullibility)?...
...his/her lack of discernment?...
I agree with your observations re: mutt and huntsman - populist RINOS. Yet the mormon community in 2008 voted 90%+ for mutt. Were they voting their 'conservatism' or their religion? If they were the social/fiscial conservatives you say - then they voted based on religion and not conservatism.
Don’t worry about it. Its not going to happen. Get upset about something else.
* ...we may be ready for a mormon prez...[camle, post #3]
* Could I accept a Mormon president? Yes, but not the two who are running. [karlinohio, post #6]
* I'd have no trouble voting for a Morman. [Antoninus, post #8]
* Not saying Id vote for Romney in the primary (Im a Cain guy myself) but Id vote for a Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu... shoot even Buddist president if they are commited to the principles of the free market, personal liberty, and the Constitution. [Chargers fan, post #10]
* Find me a good candidate who is also LDS, and I will support them... [Ingtar, post #16]
* Who gives a damn what their religion is? Its their policy that matters. [Red Badger, post #39]
* Romney's religious beliefs are the least of his problems; [Brookhaven, post #42]
* For me, it is not an issue of being Mormon. [ridesthemiles, post #45]
My new tagline: I already have a God as my leader. Why do I need ANOTHER one as POTUS?
I guess my question for most of those I pinged -- and referenced their posts above:
If a certain Rev. Wright...
...had given a certain sermon...
...when Obama was a member under his spiritual tutelage...
...& the sermon content proclaimed Obama as THE Messiah...
...why would such a sacrilege be suddenly "irrelevant" to so many FREEPERS?
There's just no way we would have had the liberal campus advisement of "tolerance of all things religious" come out from FREEPERS had Wright said such a thing about Obama. FREEPERS would have been all over that!
What way too many FREEPERS wouldn't stand for a Democrat saying..."I am -- or He is -- the Messiah...I am or He is a god"...is suddenly A-OK if a "conservative" proclaims it?
You mean to tell me that it's irrelevant to you if your one-day fave candidate -- as long as he has other "conservative" credentials...thinks he's a baby god on his way to full-grown godhood?
....But... since they have Jesus Christ in their long name, theyre Christians...
No they’re not! muslims revere Jesus as a “prophet”, but that doesn’t make them “Christians”, does it?
Mormonism has a lot in common with islam.
As for Mormon theocracy and land-claims, lookie here:
The Book of Mormon (BOM) has been scientifically falsified.
The BOM states that the American Indians are descendants of the Israelites. However, modern genetics shows that the Indians are descendants of Siberians, not Israelites or any other Middle Eastern or Mediterranean people.
Mormons, many of whom are good people, need to deal with the issue of the utter falsity of their scriptures other than the Bible. I do not see any mass exodus from Mormonism as of yet, however.
I'm a little bit pregnant.
You soon will begin to UNDERSTAND this 'faith' and the reasons that it is MALIGNED!
I'm not so sure about the BENEFITs though...
If the candidate believes we are all descended from baboons and are waiting for a spaceship to take us back to the home planet is irrelevant. Religious beliefs are all based on faith............
(WHERE was the BARF alert?)
You inadvertantly got that right!
Romans 7:2 (niv)
For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.
Penultimate is the word..................
After all, that printing press thing seems like something they'd want to downplay; along with MORMONism's founder's penchant for lying, cheating, scamming and false prophecying.
Then there is that little thing about the Fancher party, Danites and polygamy: which is STILL 'scriptural'!
Did SOMEone say BLACKNESS??
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said: "The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after." "He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage." "That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...." (Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.) 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said, "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder." We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."
"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."
"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,
"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.
According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
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It is ony I that can put words into GOD's mouth!
I guess you missed the inherent sarcasm tag.
A little nooky and you'd have bitten the bullet; Glenn!
I HIGHLY recommend not DYING with it!