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Jack Kevorkian, why did he live so long?
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 6/3/11 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 06/03/2011 10:50:23 AM PDT by SmithL

Jack Kevorkian and his supporters portrayed the death doc as a compassionate man who offered "death with dignity" to individuals suffering from a poor quality of life. I always saw him as a man who preyed on vulnerable individuals by telling them their lives weren't worth living -- as I watched Kevorkian survive over the years, despite medical problems that dwarfed those of many of his victims.

In 2007, I wrote:

Fans of Kevorkian ought to be asking themselves: In that the ailing Kevorkian is in worse physical shape than many of the people whose lives he helped snuff out, why hasn't the death doc used his vaunted "medicide" on himself? . . .

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; drdeath; euthanasia; ghouls; kevorkian; moralabsolutes; prodeath; righttomurder
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1 posted on 06/03/2011 10:50:27 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Why did he live so long?

Took Satan a while to ramp up the furnace?

2 posted on 06/03/2011 10:52:00 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO and I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: SmithL

opportunities for repentance?


3 posted on 06/03/2011 10:55:14 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: SmithL

Duh, because he didn’t die?


4 posted on 06/03/2011 10:55:14 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: SmithL

The irony would be if he was on life support before he died.


5 posted on 06/03/2011 10:56:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SmithL

I have seen people whither away from cancer and if I had my druthers, assisted suicide doesn’t seem like such a bad way to go if I want to be honest.

Gasping for breaths, gurgling against the inevitable. Where the worst pain is the pain of watching my family around me see me suffer and slip into a shell of myself.

I can see the appeal and won’t pretend it’s not something I would think about.

Kevorkian was looney, but the topic of assisted suicide is not something I would discount as a means to die with dignity (having my kids wipe my ass is not dignifying to me).


6 posted on 06/03/2011 10:57:01 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: smith288
Kevorkian was looney, but the topic of assisted suicide is not something I would discount as a means to die with dignity

I think the problem that most of us here have, is that very quickly the "right to die" becomes "duty to die."

7 posted on 06/03/2011 10:58:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SmithL
Jack Kevorkian, why did he live so long?

Because he didn't take his own medicine.

8 posted on 06/03/2011 10:58:37 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SmithL
....I watched Kevorkian survive over the years, despite medical problems that dwarfed those of many of his victims.

Many years ago, Jay Leno gave a zinger on Kervorkian as part of his Tonight Show monologue. It went something like this....

"I hear that Jack Kervorkian has applied for a permit to own a gun. Supports say that he's doing it to protect himself, but me - I just think he's gotten lazy in his work."

9 posted on 06/03/2011 10:59:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: SmithL

He believed that, in the case of terminal illness, quality of life is a personal evaluation. Apparently, he was satisfied with his.


10 posted on 06/03/2011 10:59:47 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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To: smith288

“I can see the appeal and won’t pretend it’s not something I would think about.

Kevorkian was looney, but the topic of assisted suicide is not something I would discount as a means to die with dignity (having my kids wipe my ass is not dignifying to me).”

Agree 100%


11 posted on 06/03/2011 11:01:17 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: dfwgator
I think the problem that most of us here have, is that very quickly the "right to die" becomes "duty to die."

I agree. There is a slope there we don't want to get on.

But this is a discussion I have had with myself and it freaks me out to no end to go the way I have seen others go. It lacks dignity more than anything I have witnessed.

12 posted on 06/03/2011 11:01:42 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: SmithL

Euthanized by God!


13 posted on 06/03/2011 11:02:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (.Life and Death are wearing me out)
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To: SmithL

Because he was so very afraid of Hell?

Because “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. “ 2 Peter 3:9!


14 posted on 06/03/2011 11:07:32 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: Magic Fingers; All

After having taken care of my mother for her last few days, I believe you owe it to your kids to have them care for you.

In our family, I was the one most likely *not* to be the caregiver. My sister had that role and I was thought to be the one who would swoop in, do a few things and run away. I certainly have not enjoyed trying to figure out how to tell my parents what they should do.

However, at the end, it didn’t work that way. I was tougher and more able to do the necessary things than I thought. I call that “Mama’s last lesson.” http://lifeethics.org/2007/04/08/mamas-last-lesson/


15 posted on 06/03/2011 11:08:44 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIAing)
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To: SmithL

Kevorkian.

Marshall Matt Dillon (James Arness)

Both the same day.

What a contrast!


16 posted on 06/03/2011 11:10:35 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: SmithL

Because he was too much of a coward to off his divergent eyed self.


17 posted on 06/03/2011 11:10:38 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: SmithL

I had a dog whom I loved dearly. He developed diabetes, and then to complicate things, his Liver and Kidneys failed too. I took him to the vet, and held him and pet him as he was put to sleep. Afterwards, I cried like a baby; and even after 18 months, I still awaken at nights, crying.

Now consider, he was 12 yrs old; he had lost 30% of his body weight - and I could have given him 2 shots a day and MIGHT have kept him alive for one more year. This seemed selfish and cruel to me; to force him to stay alive, in misery and pain - and then to be forced to lie still while I gave him his shots twice a day.

So, realizing that the most humane thing I could do; was to ask the vet to use the smallest needle he had; and to hold him close, pet him, lovingly and soothingly talk to him and tell him how much he was loved; as he slowly closed his eyes, laid down in my arms; and passed. I continued to hold him a few minutes after the kindly vet informed me that his heart had stopped. To call it heart-wrenching is perhaps the most understated word I can think of.

This mercy I extended my beloved pet; would never be bestowed to me, or a family member by the hypocrits I see on this board. No, I would have arrogant, selfish people dictate that no matter how much pain I was in, despite the fact that I was slowly dying - they would demand that every medical proceedure (regardless of expense and how my beloved wife would be bankrupted after my demise) be used to prolong my life. Instead of letting me call my loved one close; say my goodbyes and depart surrounded by my family and friends - I would be forced to wither and die, slowly, painfully and likely alone.

Pathetic, isn’t it? We extend more compassion to our animals, than we do our fellow human beings.


18 posted on 06/03/2011 11:10:59 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: SmithL

Kevorkian is yet another example of a really deranged individual to whom a forum is given because he’s entertaining and can attract eyeballs.

I’d imagine Speakers Corner has been attracting people of this type for hundreds of years. In our time, Speaker’s Corner is on cable, and sell advertising.


19 posted on 06/03/2011 11:11:50 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: smith288
I don't think assisted suicide is something that we should promote etc. but having seen many of my family and friends waste away in nursing homes (where you are not treated with any dignity) I don't see anything untoward about death that doesn't devistate a family, a dignified death.

I hope when it's my time go that it is not a long drawn out painful and devastating end. It's a real slippery slope but I think there are many doctors out there that do it quietly.

20 posted on 06/03/2011 11:11:54 AM PDT by estrogen (2012 can't come soon enough)
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To: dfwgator
I think the problem that most of us here have, is that very quickly the "right to die" becomes "duty to die."

So many things in life are like that, being easily misused.

Gun ownership can be misused.
Drinking alcohol can be misused.
Speech can be misused.

But the American Way (other than Nanny-Staters) is not to jump onto that slippery slope screaming, "You don't have the right to run your own life!"

The American Way is to protect against the possibility of misuse, while also protecting freedom.

I think some Nanny-Staters are truly disappointed that Oregon hasn't developed into the mass-suicide haven they predicted.

21 posted on 06/03/2011 11:17:47 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: smith288

If I get that way, I’ve told Mrs BwanaNdege to get me a couch down by the lake, like Burgess Meredith had in “Grumpier Old Men”’

Leave me there with my fishing tackle, and maybe some bait.

Come back in the Spring, sweep up what’s left of me, put it in a pine box, say a few kind words over the remains, smile at the good memories, please forget the bad.

Oh, maybe bury me with a box of red wigglers to give them a head start. I fugure that I owe them something for all the fishing I’ve done.

I won’t be in that box!


22 posted on 06/03/2011 11:18:05 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less." M Rosen)
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To: BwanaNdege
Come back in the Spring, sweep up what’s left of me, put it in a pine box, say a few kind words over the remains, smile at the good memories, please forget the bad.

As romantic as that scene was, i believe most times than not, it's a painful and horrible thing to be left alone if you plan on whithering away such as that. To each their own.

I wouldn't mind your scenario but throw in a heart stopper in my glass of sweet tea. :)

23 posted on 06/03/2011 11:22:56 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: SmithL

Kevorkian was a pathologist when he was still a practicing physician. Many of us suspected that he tired of dealing with the already dead, and felt cheated by not being able to observe the process of dying and the actual passage, thus leading to his ghoulish practice of creating deaths so he could be present at the precise moment.

He was truly twisted.


24 posted on 06/03/2011 11:29:41 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: Hodar
We extend more compassion to our animals, than we do our fellow human beings.

Speak for yourself. I would never murder a fellow human being. When given the opportunity, I always choose to care for them.

25 posted on 06/03/2011 11:37:27 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: dfwgator
The irony would be if he was on life support before he died.

Speaking of irony, the top-of-hour radio news had these two stories back-to-back. First, they announced the death of Kevorkian. Then it was announced that some French doctors had developed a new artifical, implantable heart. They stated that if the new heart could be used to extend lives six months, it would be a success.

I was saddened to hear of the death of James Arness. I don't know how many hours I've spent in front of a TV watching Gunsmoke.

As far as the other death of the day, the world is a better place without Kevorkian.

26 posted on 06/03/2011 11:38:10 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: SmithL

He lived so long because of his common sense, his skills as a physician, hisfeelings for his fellow man, his understanding that the patient comes first, his empathy for the dying, his disgust with the greedy medical profession, his belief that it is a physician’s duty to ease pain and end - if possible - suffering, and the bedrock conviction that eventually we all die. Some - if he was requested to assist - much less painfully and far better off economically - than others.


27 posted on 06/03/2011 11:40:36 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be ERADICATED....NOW!!)
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To: smith288

I dealt with this with my Mom, she decided she wanted to forego chemo and go into hospice care, perhaps chemo would have given her another year, but she decided she didn’t want to drag it out. So we just made her final days are comfortable as possible, and let things run their course. That’s a big difference than actively hastening ones’ demise as Kervorkian did.


28 posted on 06/03/2011 11:41:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SmithL

Because, only the good die young.


29 posted on 06/03/2011 11:42:32 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: dfwgator

Duty to die is what Obamacare will become. Individuals and families should most likely be able to make up thier own minds, As long as government is not involved.


30 posted on 06/03/2011 11:44:39 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: smith288
As romantic as that scene was, i believe most times than not, it's a painful and horrible thing to be left alone if you plan on whithering away such as that. To each their own. I wouldn't mind your scenario but throw in a heart stopper in my glass of sweet tea. :)

I just want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in my sleep, unlike the screaming passengers in his car.

31 posted on 06/03/2011 11:46:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Hodar; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
This mercy I extended my beloved pet; would never be bestowed to me, or a family member by the hypocrits I see on this board. No, I would have arrogant, selfish people dictate that no matter how much pain I was in, despite the fact that I was slowly dying - they would demand that every medical proceedure (regardless of expense and how my beloved wife would be bankrupted after my demise) be used to prolong my life. Instead of letting me call my loved one close; say my goodbyes and depart surrounded by my family and friends - I would be forced to wither and die, slowly, painfully and likely alone.

Pathetic, isn’t it? We extend more compassion to our animals, than we do our fellow human beings.

There are some distinct differences:

1. Animals DO NOT have souls. The Bible permits the killing of animals, it does not permit the killing of humans for the conditions you mentioned.

2. Animals cannot communicate levels and locations of pain as humans can, this makes palliative care more difficult.

Since the beginning of time people have euthanized animals that are dying and in pain, the notion that it was okay to euthanize humans is only a few decades old and pushed by the leftist culture of death.

It's important to note that even the Nazis didn't euthanize anyone that they considered to be a human being.

32 posted on 06/03/2011 11:47:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Logic n' Reason

Is that sarcasm?


33 posted on 06/03/2011 11:48:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
I live in a family that is primarily medical. A brother who is a heart doc, my mom and my sister are both RNs, another brother is a Senior EMT, another is a specialized radiologist.

I, myself, have been hospitalized on numerous occasions, but am "still kickin'". My wonderful Dad was not so fortunate having been killed by colon cancer after a long and extraordinarily expensive illness.

No...it was not sarcasm, but an opinion based on what has been, to date, a very long life.

If it does not "mesh" with your opinion, so be it.

34 posted on 06/03/2011 11:55:24 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be ERADICATED....NOW!!)
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To: wagglebee
It's important to note that even the Nazis didn't euthanize anyone that they considered to be a human being.

It's also important to note that they tried to cover up the fact that they were euthanizing people. Why would they try to cover it up if they didn't know it was wrong? Only a handful of them were stupid enough to brag about it. Here are some of them.


35 posted on 06/03/2011 11:56:31 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: smith288
Two problems I have specifically to Kevorikian are 1) Kevorkian enjoyed his "work" way too damned much, and 2) not all of his "patients" were terminal.

Another problem I have is the "right to die" could end up being twisted by the government into the "duty to die" real quickly.

For terminally ill patients who are suffering I can understand the desire to have the ability to end that suffering. But, that is a decision which should never be in the hands of a physician or the government.

36 posted on 06/03/2011 11:59:21 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Hodar

A terminally ill person can sign a living will and health care proxy thereby dictating what treatment, if any, that individual wishes to receive (including pain medication.)

To compare euthanizing an animal to the murder of a human is ridiculous.

I don’t want to suffer in my last days, but a problem that I see with people is that they want everything easy. No one is willing to endure the cross that each of us must bear. Life can be cruel, but it is in receiving the beauty of life that we graciously accept our fate. The real reward is in our next life.


37 posted on 06/03/2011 12:00:50 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Logic n' Reason

That’s frightening, assuming that your relatives share your perspective.


38 posted on 06/03/2011 12:04:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Logic n' Reason

In recent years, some of the medical schools have been pushing the idea that the purpose of medicine is to relieve suffering as quickly and efficiently as possible, even if that means killing the patient rather than providing them with medical care. This attitude has severely harmed our medical system.


39 posted on 06/03/2011 12:08:42 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Logic n' Reason; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ..
He lived so long because of his common sense, his skills as a physician, hisfeelings for his fellow man, his understanding that the patient comes first, his empathy for the dying, his disgust with the greedy medical profession, his belief that it is a physician’s duty to ease pain and end - if possible - suffering, and the bedrock conviction that eventually we all die. Some - if he was requested to assist - much less painfully and far better off economically - than others.

He was a MURDERER who killed people who weren't even dying and along the way violated every tenet of the Hippocratic Oath.

Plenty of monsters have lived long lives, look at Castro.

40 posted on 06/03/2011 12:18:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hodar

Thanks for sharing. I find it monstrous that we’ll do anything to prolong the suffering of a fellow human being at any cost regardless of their wishes.

If you aren’t free to choose the manner in which you exit this world, you aren’t free to do much of anything.

Way I see it, my life is my own. Others may disagree, which is fine enough, but should I be so unfortunate as to wind up in a situation where I’m being kept alive by machines just to stave off the inevitable for another day, week, month, year... that’s no way to die.

I’m in no hurry to go, but I’m not afraid of it either. And I’m not jazzed about the prospect of having to go on longer than I can bear.

Not to mention the fact that if I was born 300 years earlier and wound up terminally ill, nature would take its course. This forced living business, as far as I’m concerned, is more playing God than any of the other options. Was it really God’s will that Terri Schiavo be kept alive through artificial means?

I can’t imagine that a merciful, loving Father would wish that fate for any of us. Some might disagree. Which is fine.

But there’s a reason immortality is a curse. We weren’t meant to live forever. And I don’t believe we were meant to live in pain.


41 posted on 06/03/2011 12:18:04 PM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: SmithL

Why did he live so long?

Because he didn’t have Jack Kevorkian for a doctor?


42 posted on 06/03/2011 12:43:34 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: smith288
...it freaks me out to no end to go the way I have seen others go. It lacks dignity more than anything I have witnessed.

Yes. My friend's mother deteriorated slowly over 2 years, and as her life shrank, so did my friend's. Eventually her mother was completely bed-bound, and my friend went into bankruptcy paying for nurses so she could still hold down her job, and at night sleeping on a cot at the foot of her mother's bed. Eventually I and another friend found ourselves bound to that bedroom too, to give our friend a chance to take a shower or go outside. It was horrible. That last month was a nightmare.

43 posted on 06/03/2011 12:44:41 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Hodar

I just (4 days ago) had my vet put a dog down. She was 19, not 12.

In my mind, that has no connection at all to the assisted suicide debate or possibly the decision I might have to make one day. If it comes to it, and I decide it’s what I have to do, I’ll find my own method of suicide. Animals can’t do that. To me that is a big difference - it’s a huge difference. But the biggest is simply the fact that humans are not in the same category as animals.

Incidentally, I hate that term - put to sleep. It is especially incongruous in this context where animal euthanasia is compared to assisted suicide. If someone is going to use it then be consistent call assisted suicide “putting people to sleep” too.


44 posted on 06/03/2011 12:46:02 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
Way I see it, my life is my own.

It's a shame you see it that way. The founders of this free republic held it to be self-evident that your life belonged to God, that He granted it to you as a gift, and that it was unalienable.

inalienable: incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights".

adj. Not to be separated, given away, or taken away; inalienable


45 posted on 06/03/2011 12:47:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: SmithL
Jack Kevorkian, why did he live so long?

He didn't have Jack Kevorkian to help him on his way.

46 posted on 06/03/2011 12:57:37 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SmithL

Psalm 37

A Psalm of David.

1 Do not fret because of evildoers,
Nor be envious of the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass,
And wither as the green herb.

3 Trust in the LORD, and do good;
Dwell in the land, and feed on His faithfulness.
4 Delight yourself also in the LORD,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to the LORD,
Trust also in Him,
And He shall bring it to pass.
6 He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light,
And your justice as the noonday.

7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for Him;
Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way,
Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass.
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath;
Do not fret—it only causes harm.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off;
But those who wait on the LORD,
They shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more;
Indeed, you will look carefully for his place,
But it shall be no more.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
12 The wicked plots against the just,
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
13 The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn the sword
And have bent their bow,
To cast down the poor and needy,
To slay those who are of upright conduct.
15 Their sword shall enter their own heart,
And their bows shall be broken.

16 A little that a righteous man has
Is better than the riches of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken,
But the LORD upholds the righteous.

18 The LORD knows the days of the upright,
And their inheritance shall be forever.
19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time,
And in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish;
And the enemies of the LORD,
Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish.
Into smoke they shall vanish away.


47 posted on 06/03/2011 1:00:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: BykrBayb

Murder is one thing.

When a person is being kept alive, with no hope of a cure, no hope of recovery ... and pleads with you to allow them to die.... what do you do?

Do you walk away and pretend you didn’t hear them?

Dr. Kevorkian had people COME TO HIM, who were dying; and he showed them how they could exit, on their terms, and set up his machine such they could activate it - when they were ready.

There is a huge difference between walking into a hospital, and deciding who is going to die; and assisting a person with terminating their life. One choice is involuntary, the other is simply helping a person perform a task that they are phyically incapable of performing now.

100% of Murder victims are unwilling victims. 100% of the patients Dr. Kevorkian assisted, came to him for help.

We both know, that if you were in a car accident this afternoon; and your brain was ‘dead’; the Doctors could keep your body functioning for years, depleting your retirement and insurance benefits to the point that your wife and kids would be homeless and in poverty; and you would still be dead.


48 posted on 06/03/2011 1:21:51 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Bitsy

You got it.


49 posted on 06/03/2011 1:28:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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He was a MURDERER who killed people who weren't even dying ....

Sources please.

This is contrary to every story I can find on him. He ASSISTED patients who were dying, so that their lives would end on the patient's terms, at a time and place of their chosing. Those who sought him were informed on what was going to happen, and were shown that their death would be painless, quick and easy. Some people would call that compassion.

Where is there any evidence or story that he MURDERED healthy people?

50 posted on 06/03/2011 1:28:59 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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