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Farm owners, workers worry about immigration law's impact on crops
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 6/3/11 | Craig Schneider

Posted on 06/03/2011 7:53:51 PM PDT by ruralvoter

One hundred degrees worth of heat beats down upon the blackberry field, but Ismael Rodriguez plucks berry after berry with the speed of a veteran fruit picker.

Not far away, however, berries are shriveling on the vine on this South Georgia farm.

The farm owners say they don't have enough workers during this peak harvest season, namely Hispanic pickers such as Rodriguez. Rodriguez is a migrant worker. He is also an illegal immigrant. And, like many of his fellow pickers, he fears a new state law aimed at illegal immigration. Many migrants skipped Georgia this season as they follow the ripening of crops across the country.

Supporters of the law say that shows it is already working. They want the law to clear the state of illegal immigrants, who they say are taking advantage of Georgia's schools, hospitals and workplaces, draining public funds as they take jobs that could help the unemployed.

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; georgia; immigrant; immigration
Great. Now the illegals will flow into NC and FL. FL - you really blew it by not passing immigration legislation this year.
1 posted on 06/03/2011 7:53:54 PM PDT by ruralvoter
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To: ruralvoter

>Great. Now the illegals will flow into NC and FL

Well, they cant come from here in mexifornia because I still avoid 100 mexicans in the parking lot just to enter Home Depot.


2 posted on 06/03/2011 7:57:07 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: ruralvoter

So what’s wrong with upping the wages and the price of berries so that American’s can pick them?


3 posted on 06/03/2011 8:02:08 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: ruralvoter

Many of the people who picked crops in bygone years are now paid by the government to sit on their butts, do drugs and watch Oprah all day. She’s gone now so they’ll have to stay with BET or Jerry Springer.

Teen agers used to take summer jobs picking but the government ended that with restrictive Nanny State labor laws.


4 posted on 06/03/2011 8:04:51 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. -- John Steinbeck)
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To: babygene

If he would pay a decent wage, he could get legal people to pick them..


5 posted on 06/03/2011 8:06:04 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: ruralvoter
What a shame, they'll lose their quasi-slave labor and may actually have to start paying as high as minimum wage to get their crops harvested. I have little compassion for those in agriculture and construction who are at least partly responsible for the Illegal problem. I have family members that actually made a good middle-class living in the 1960’s and 1970’s doing roofing, until the roofing companies discovered they could pay illegals under the table to do the same work for 1/5 the wage.
6 posted on 06/03/2011 8:12:42 PM PDT by apillar
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To: ruralvoter

This stuff can be done legally.


7 posted on 06/03/2011 8:13:14 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: apillar

I predict that as food prices continue to increase, many liberals will use the “we don’t have any more illegals and now you are paying more for food, blah, blah, blah”. Just a prediction...


8 posted on 06/03/2011 8:18:27 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: apillar
One of the best innovations ever in the field of construction has been the SIP. ( http://www.sips.org/content/about/index.cfm?pageId=7 ). I saw a row of 6 townhouses set up on poured basements in about 3 days by a relatively small crew ~ supported with a crane.

It took longer to enclose the structure with windows and doors.

This technology wiped out more jobs faster than whole hordes of illegal aliens, but it sure didn't help that the illegals were there too!

9 posted on 06/03/2011 8:20:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ruralvoter

Anybody on welfare and food stamps who is phyically able should be made to go out and work picking crops or lose their benefits. It’s time they gave back.


10 posted on 06/03/2011 8:22:18 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

take your pick...lose the labor or lose the nation


11 posted on 06/03/2011 8:29:19 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: freekitty
it was done legally for a hundred years.
12 posted on 06/03/2011 8:40:02 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: JoanneSD

“If he would pay a decent wage, he could get legal people to pick them..”

No kidding. Why am I not surprised that the problem is the employers, not the folks they hire?


13 posted on 06/03/2011 8:53:42 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


14 posted on 06/03/2011 10:01:57 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: moonshinner_09
I don't agree with your “solution”.

Cast even a cursory glance at “agriculture”, and your eyes will start burning from the blatant corruption of everyone involved in every single aspect of our modern food supply chain. Farmers,Government,Manufacturers and Retailers.

All those cans and boxes at the retail stores are filled with factory processed farm products.
Pick a product, say green beans.
I still like to eat them.
I absolutely detest the planting, weeding, picking, stringing and canning of them. I know exactly how much manual physical labor is involved to “farm” a 1/4 acre of beans, and produce enough processed green bean servings to feed a family of six beans for a year.
I very happily pay $200.00 retail for a years supply for two, of canned or frozen green beans, that I don't personally have to farm and process myself!
Would I pay $400.00?
Probably, but maybe not if my income was reduced, and if other basic food commodities suddenly doubled in price.
I really hate the planting, weeding, picking, stringing and canning of green beans.

But I am fortunate in that I do know how to trade/barter my knowledge and labor, and “arrange to rent” an acre of land, to produce enough processed foods to feed my family myself.

I don't have a problem with kicking the physically able of my fellow citizens off welfare and food stamps, if they are taught how to plant, weed, pick, string and can green beans first...and also have access to the acre of land they will need to feed themselves.

I do have a problem with people who think the solution to ignorance and poverty in the USA is forcible indentured servitude to a business owner/AKA Farmer.
Offer a hand up, but not a handout.

15 posted on 06/03/2011 10:44:31 PM PDT by sarasmom (God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy....)
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To: ruralvoter

10 percent unemployment average nationwide, 50% unemployment amongst black youth and there’s a shortage of berry pickers?

somebody needs to advertise


16 posted on 06/03/2011 11:16:07 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: BenKenobi; JoanneSD
Why am I not surprised that the problem is the employers, not the folks they hire?

The employer has to outbid the government check. This could be more than the value of the labor, considering that the check is a free money, but the farmer will want a full day of hard work in the field.

Note that the checks are issued not based on capitalist, market values ("who works more gets more") but based on socialist values ("even if you don't work we will provide you with basic necessities for life.") Also note that those monies are taken from working people by force. The market doesn't work well if the game is rigged.

17 posted on 06/03/2011 11:35:48 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: blueplum

Yep. I was reading this and thinking “Georgia? Seriously?” Plenty of unemployed in that state, unfortunately not enough “workers.”


18 posted on 06/03/2011 11:39:15 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (CAIN/WEST 2012 - Because two bros are better than THE 0NE!)
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To: ruralvoter

Mechanize.

Oh I know, “We don’t have the harvesting machines for this crop”.

That’s true only because there has been no real motivation to design and produce them since illegal alien labor is cheap and abundant.

Once machines make more economic sense than quasi-slavery they will be produced and purchased.
Who harvest wheat with a hand held scythe anymore?.
Is anyone still commercially picking cotton by hand in this country?

Innovation and engineering, an area where the U.S. led before PC and the welfare state.


19 posted on 06/04/2011 1:35:33 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: JoanneSD

“If he would pay a decent wage, he could get legal people to pick them.”

Get the picker jobs posted at the unemployment office and insist those who are able bodied and on unemployment and/or welfare have to show up for work.


20 posted on 06/04/2011 4:41:47 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Loyal Sedition

I agree with you, Mechanize!

I also must admit that the more you mechanize or automate a process the less you need a human body for. And that of course means fewer people working and earning an income.

So where do those unemployed go for even a minimal amount of money to live on. Why the Government of course. And the Government gets its money through taxes from the people who own the businesses or are fortunate enough to have a job in those businesses.

And so it goes... In many ways Government having entered into the social contract starting with Social Security and Welfare has started an avalanche that will end up destroying or burying anyone or anything in its path.

And no, I don’t have an answer either... Just do what you can to prepare for when TSHTF.


21 posted on 06/04/2011 4:44:19 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: momtothree

To the farm owners;

If you have a business model that requires you break the law (hire illegals), then you have a faulty business model.


22 posted on 06/04/2011 4:59:48 AM PDT by maine yankee
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To: apillar
I have family members that actually made a good middle-class living in the 1960’s and 1970’s doing roofing, until the roofing companies discovered they could pay illegals under the table to do the same work for 1/5 the wage.

1/5th the wages was only part of their success story. They got their workers signed up for Section 8 housing and other government bennies to make up for the other 4/5ths.

23 posted on 06/04/2011 5:15:36 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: maine yankee

I agree. For too long, the reason that we “need” cheaper food thus need illegals has been faulty. I got into a disagreement once with a person that I know that spouted this whole process. I (glibly and sarcastically) said then you support slavery as well? The person looked dumbfounded. I then said that slaves could work in the fields and our food costs would go down dramatically. (I don’t think this... it was just an argument). The person simply walked away. To me, a person who spouts one philosophy and then is indignant when you take the initial philosophy a few steps further... lost the initial argument.


24 posted on 06/04/2011 8:29:23 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: babygene

Nothing!


25 posted on 06/04/2011 8:47:08 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: The Working Man

In this case the “Human bodies” in question belong to illegals who should never have gotten into our country.

So deport them, and remove them from the equation!
This will keep them off the social security roles, keep them out of our emergency rooms, prevent their illicit voting, and their kids out of our schools.

The saving in socialized services alone will cover the expense of the mechanization.

Heck, we might not even have to “Choose” English anymore!


26 posted on 06/04/2011 3:43:32 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: ruralvoter

If these farms can’t operate WITHIN the law they should go out of business - period.


27 posted on 06/05/2011 8:20:19 PM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
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