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Boy, 12, charged in slaying, had tumultuous upbringing
The Florida Times-Union ^ | 6/4/11 | David Hunt

Posted on 06/04/2011 11:45:25 AM PDT by ruralvoter

Beneath Cristian Fernandez's baby-faced looks lies a misguided soul that his lawyers argue should gain him mercy as the 12-year-old's first-degree murder case navigates through Jacksonville's court system.

Fernandez is charged with the March 14 beating death of his 2-year-old half-brother, David Galarriago, at the family's Southside apartment. The defense contends the charges are built alongside a dossier exposing family turmoil, sexual battery and an abusive stepfather's suicide.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; immigrant; immigration; nativeborn; welfare

1 posted on 06/04/2011 11:45:32 AM PDT by ruralvoter
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To: ruralvoter

It’s always good to have a bunch of excuses when you murder a two year old.


2 posted on 06/04/2011 11:53:22 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: ruralvoter
The article says the mother had the kid when she was 12. So she possibly was 11 when she was knocked up.

And here all the liberals tell us the anchor babies are here because of their evil parents, yet they get to pop out kids as 12 years old? Go on welfare, abuse their children, then blame the "system" when the anchor baby's baby murders the 2 year old anchor baby baby boy.

3 posted on 06/04/2011 11:56:33 AM PDT by Dengar01
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To: ruralvoter

Are they trying to tell us that a stable family is important for children? nawwwwww


4 posted on 06/04/2011 11:58:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ruralvoter

Too bad this animal will never pay for its crimes. It will be out of prison by the time it is 21. And the death penalty? Hah... the tyrants in black thought we are too civilized to put minors to death.


5 posted on 06/04/2011 12:07:34 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: driftdiver

6 posted on 06/04/2011 12:21:07 PM PDT by Morgana (I speak no more)
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To: ruralvoter
Everyone who is abused as a child should get a free pass when they murder someone.

That will keep us all safer?

7 posted on 06/04/2011 12:21:07 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: ruralvoter
Clearly Sarah Palin's fault. Damn, is there NOTHING that woman won't do to get attention?! What a media whore!

On a much brighter note, my wife was on the jury last Thursday that convicted this societal parasite. They deliberated for about an hour before handing down an guilty on all counts of the indictment verdict

http://www.pnj.com/article/20110604/NEWS01/110604005/Man-convicted-carjacking-Cordova-Mall?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

The good Mr. Rhaney is probably sitting in his jail cell fuming because his bruh, who was actually the one holding the pistol, is still out on the streets. As as the saying goes, stupid is as stupid does.....he got caught the next day driving the carjacked vehicle past the very same mall. An on the ball police officer spotted the car, took chase and arrested this waste of $5 worth of chemicals. My wife said the dashcam footage of the chase was rather scary, he dodged traffic, pedestrians and even went up on the sidewalk once to try and get away.

Here are a list of the charges he faced, taken right off our County Clerk of the Court website. Some of them are still marked "open" only because the court records have not yet been updated. His father, Anthony Rhaney, Sr. has 12 charges on the same page. I see the rotten apple does not fall far from the tree.

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8 posted on 06/04/2011 12:22:39 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On!.................Saracuda 2012)
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To: pnh102

Fortunately, today there are effective methods of mental health treatment, and in 6 years (to 18, not 21) it’s possible the human, if any is still left, will have learned how to cope with the “animal” inside.

I’m wondering if the boy had not killed, he would have been tagged (talking loosely or otherwise) as a case of “arrested development.”


9 posted on 06/04/2011 12:25:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>> “Fortunately, today there are effective methods of mental health treatment, and in 6 years (to 18, not 21) it’s possible the human, if any is still left, will have learned how to cope with the “animal” inside.” <<

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There is only one way, and that id Jesus Christ.

No other way ever has or will work.


10 posted on 06/04/2011 12:27:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The mother and child went to foster care together.


11 posted on 06/04/2011 12:30:16 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

This is the new, Obama America.

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12 posted on 06/04/2011 12:30:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: ruralvoter

Unfortunately he’s definitely broken goods. Rehabilitation, huh? That’s quite a risk. If they go with it, make him live with his shysters and hold them criminally liable for anything he does.


13 posted on 06/04/2011 12:31:34 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: editor-surveyor

Your second absolute statement is, I believe, not borne out by empirical science. The result would not be eternal salvation of course, but may well be someone who can rub along comfortably in the world without causing chaos around himself.

Yet of all approaches to mental health care, faith based approaches are known to be the best, and Christ centered faith based approaches are best of all.


14 posted on 06/04/2011 12:31:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: pnh102

Uh...we are too civilized to put minors to death. Executing children is not, I repeat not, a plank in any conservative platform.


15 posted on 06/04/2011 12:33:41 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: AppyPappy

Foster care does not have the same aim. It just showed that the mother was so young she counted as a child ward of the state.


16 posted on 06/04/2011 12:33:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: AppyPappy

>> “The mother and child went to foster care together.” <<

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The nuclear family.


17 posted on 06/04/2011 12:36:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>> “The result would not be eternal salvation of course, but may well be someone who can rub along comfortably in the world without causing chaos around himself.” <<

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Until his next ‘unexpected’ erruption when someone cuts in front of him in line or at a freeway off-ramp.


18 posted on 06/04/2011 12:39:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>> “The result would not be eternal salvation of course, but may well be someone who can rub along comfortably in the world without causing chaos around himself.” <<

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Until his next ‘unexpected’ erruption when someone cuts in front of him in line or at a freeway off-ramp.


19 posted on 06/04/2011 12:39:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I don’t think you’re pulling this from duly analyzed science; and Christians, too, can tragically fail under temptations to such things as road rage.


20 posted on 06/04/2011 12:41:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Melas

I have to agree. There is no stronger proponent of the death penalty than myself, but putting a child to death is barbaric, that’s what the subhuman muslims do. I am also not a proponent of placing a 12 year old child in prison for the rest of their lives.

I pray that at 12 this child can somehow be “fixed”. Whether it will ever happen is anyone’s guess. But it will mean getting him as far away from the environment in which he grew up as possible. And he finally needs some stern discipline in his life, as well as Christian morals and upbringing.


21 posted on 06/04/2011 12:51:00 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On!.................Saracuda 2012)
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To: NWFLConservative
"....at 12 this child can somehow be “fixed”....

Some children are born broken. There is no fix. His home environment is certainly suspect, but may not be the only source of his rage. I hope he can be salvaged too, but won't hold my breath.

22 posted on 06/04/2011 1:10:20 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What wuz the name of that river you were paddling down on your trip to Egypt?


23 posted on 06/04/2011 1:10:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well that didnt actually work out for Judas Iscariot.


24 posted on 06/04/2011 1:17:03 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Melas; NWFLConservative
Executing children is not, I repeat not, a plank in any conservative platform.

First, someone who is cognizant enough to go ahead and kill anyone should not be prosecuted as a minor. That murderer had enough sense to murder someone else. If said murderer was put to death, he'd know exactly why he was being executed. Under our current "justice" system this murderer will be out of the prison system with a clean record before he is 30 years old. That's plenty of time to commit more crimes and possibly murder more people. What is more humane?

Second, if the age of this murderer makes you squeamish about the death penalty, then life imprisonment with no parole ever would be the next best punishment.

25 posted on 06/04/2011 1:23:10 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Wow. All I can say is that I’m glad that you’re not in charge.


26 posted on 06/04/2011 1:26:47 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: editor-surveyor

Where’s your proof? Talk is cheap.


27 posted on 06/04/2011 1:29:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Melas
Wow. All I can say is that I’m glad that you’re not in charge.

Are you saying that life imprisonment for a 12 year old murderer is not something you can stomach?

28 posted on 06/04/2011 1:29:57 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Islander7
Some children are born broken. There is no fix. His home environment is certainly suspect

I think environment here is very suspect. If he lived through a half-way normal life, I'd lean more toward nature than nurture. But in this case… it would be a miracle if a 12-year-old were not damaged greatly in some way. I don't think anyone knows at this point who or what the child truly is.

29 posted on 06/04/2011 1:33:28 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ruralvoter

Good grief what a tragic tale...... all the way around.


30 posted on 06/04/2011 1:35:47 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Dengar01

I didn’t notice anything in various articles to support your claim the mother was an “anchor baby.”


31 posted on 06/04/2011 1:52:05 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: pnh102
Are you saying that life imprisonment for a 12 year old murderer is not something you can stomach?

Yes, unequivocally.

32 posted on 06/04/2011 1:56:33 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas
Yes, unequivocally.

But how is the alternative more humane? Letting murderers roam free on the streets doesn't sound like it will end well for anyone involved.

If you want to provide education and some type of pastoral care for this murderer in prison, there is nothing wrong with that, but for the sake of the safety of everyone else, he should never see the outside of a prison in this life ever again.

33 posted on 06/04/2011 2:04:44 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: editor-surveyor
That means the 5-foot-1-inch, 140-pound Kernan Middle School student is leaving a juvenile holding facility for the Duval County jail, although he'll be held with other juveniles there.

That's pretty porky for a 5'1 year old kid. Perhaps the public defender should pursue the Twinkie defense.

All kidding aside, this is a tragic circumstance from every angle. A little two year old child is dead and a 12 year old child is on trial for what could mean prison for a rather large chunk of his life. Several people on this forum would prefer to just write this child off as irreparably broken and throw this him away like yesterday's newspaper. From what I have read, and of course we are at the mercy of the journalist who wrote this story when it comes to the facts surrounding the case, this child has had a life which could drive any child to extremes. Does he need to do time in prison? Yes, unquestionably. Is he going to need a lot of deprogramming? Again, yes, unquestionably. Should he be imprisoned for the rest of his life? I don't believe so.
34 posted on 06/04/2011 3:01:30 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On!.................Saracuda 2012)
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To: NWFLConservative

>> “Should he be imprisoned for the rest of his life?” <<

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There is no way to answer that question given the info available to us.


35 posted on 06/04/2011 4:34:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: pnh102

I obviously hold more hope for the rehabilitation of children than you do. What more could possibly need to be said?


36 posted on 06/04/2011 5:04:44 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas
Didn't work for this 12 year old either: Lionel Tate
37 posted on 06/04/2011 5:25:03 PM PDT by freejohn
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To: freejohn
Didn't work for this 12 year old either: Lionel Tate

Exactly. Life without parole or a death sentence for the original murder conviction would have prevented this later crime.

38 posted on 06/04/2011 7:05:01 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Melas
Executing children is not, I repeat not, a plank in any conservative platform.

That's too bad because it ought to be.

39 posted on 06/04/2011 7:09:31 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Melas
I obviously hold more hope for the rehabilitation of children than you do. What more could possibly need to be said?

Just this. Hold out both your hands. Hope your right one fills up with Skittles. Crap in your left hand. Then tell me which hand filled up first.

40 posted on 06/04/2011 7:12:01 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: ruralvoter

The latest studies in criminal psychology are finding that some people, the ones who commit the majority of violent crimes, have different brain structures. For example, words with heavy emotional meaning, such as ‘blood’ and ‘rape’ that cause activity in one part of the normal person’s brain illicit no response in the violent prone individual. Such people require a much higher level of activity to get a response from their brains.

And this brain difference is found in children by the age of 3 or 4. I would bet that this young monster is one of those with abnormal brain function.

The question then becomes, if we can determine by age 5 that someone is prone to violent behavior, should we do something? And if so, what??


41 posted on 06/04/2011 7:15:39 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty
The question then becomes, if we can determine by age 5 that someone is prone to violent behavior, should we do something? And if so, what??

That's not even a legitimate question. Brain structure or not, everyone is still innocent until proven guilty. The potential for violent behavior is just that potential. Some will live up to their potential and others won't.

42 posted on 06/04/2011 8:14:51 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Lurker

Ummm...no.


43 posted on 06/04/2011 8:16:09 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas
Brain structure or not, everyone is still innocent until proven guilty. The potential for violent behavior is just that potential. Some will live up to their potential and others won't.

Okay, but what if we know in advance that someone is very likely to commit a violent act and that individual kills someone. Wouldn't we be, at least, partially responsible to that act?

Note: I'm playing Devil's advocate here. The questions is, to quote our dear leader/s "Beyond my pay grade."

And FYI, England now is allowing people who can be proven to be psychopaths to be confined even if they have not committed any violent crimes. So, if locking up people who may becomes violent something we would should do to protect the innocent victims of violent acts??

44 posted on 06/04/2011 8:27:27 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Melas

That’s because you’re not conservative in the least. Now please respond to post 40.


45 posted on 06/04/2011 8:32:27 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Yeah, yeah, we know. I want to increase all the taxes, kill all the babies, marry all the homos, and disband the military because I’m not conservative in the least. Tell another lie Pinochio.


46 posted on 06/04/2011 8:54:44 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas

No, you just don’t want to punish murderers as God commands they be punished. You want ‘society’ to try to ‘rehabilitate’ them somehow using tax money. Yea, that’s real ‘conservative’ alright.


47 posted on 06/04/2011 9:04:16 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Melas
I obviously hold more hope for the rehabilitation of children than you do. What more could possibly need to be said?

That's fine. I suppose anyone can be "rehabilitated" too. Just do all the "rehabilitation" within the walls of a prison. Someone who at age 12 goes and murders a toddler does NOT belong out on the streets for any reason. It is not right to increase the risk to public safety because of the perceived virtues of a grand social experiment.

48 posted on 06/05/2011 4:46:06 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: NWFLConservative
A 'Geeker', in drug lingo, is a crackhead.

What an unfortunate name for the judge. :)

49 posted on 06/05/2011 5:00:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: pnh102
That's fine. I suppose anyone can be "rehabilitated" too.

You suppose too much. My comments were concerning children, and children alone.

50 posted on 06/05/2011 12:58:34 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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