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Military Update: Gates tosses military pay, benefits into risk pool [militRY under attack]
SIERRA VISTA Herald/Review ^ | Tom Philpott

Posted on 06/04/2011 4:23:12 PM PDT by SandRat

Defense Secretary Robert Gates last week delivered his “last major policy speech” and, in it, suggested that politicians show courage in the fiscal crisis by making the military compensation system more efficient.

Gates has the department preparing such a set of recommendations to be part of a $400 billion defense savings package over the next 12 years.

Specifically he criticized a “one-size-fits-all approach” to basic pay and retirement, suggesting “tiered and targeted” methods could cost less but pay more to service members in “high demand and dangerous specialties.”

He implied pay levels overall are set too high as evidenced by the services’ continuous ability to meet recruiting and retention targets, except for the Army and only “during the worst years of Iraq.”

Gates again asked that TRICARE fees be raised, particularly for working age retirees. And he eyes replacing the all-or-nothing 20-year retirement plan with a more “flexible” system that would allow earlier vesting in benefits but also encourage more members to serve longer careers.

Some of these ideas are decades old. Over the past 40 years other defense secretaries have made similar or even more unpopular proclamations to curb military benefits, from closing discount stores on base to ending tax-free allowances and shifting the military to fully taxable salaries.

Gates had softened some of the impact of his remarks to the conservative think-tank American Enterprise Institute May 24 by reassuring Marines at Camp Lejeune just weeks earlier that any change to retirement should not affect the current force. “So don’t get nervous,” he said.

The reality is that sharp changes to pay or benefits typically don’t occur as a result of policy speeches or even in-depth studies written over months by commissions created for that task. Dramatic changes usually occur during fiscal emergencies, real or perceived.

The House Armed Services Committee, for example, thought it necessary in 1984-85 to move military retirement to an accrual accounting system to ensure funding of benefits to future members stopped encroaching on money for other defense programs.

Lawmakers then set a target for the accrual account and told Defense officials to design a retirement plan to produce the required result. That turned out to be “Redux,” a plan that cut the value of 20-year retirement by roughly 25 percent for new members. As time passed and retention fell among the Redux generation, Congress repealed the plan. To preserve some cost savings, however, a $30,000 lump sum bonus was offered to any member who agreed to opt back into Redux during their 15th year of service.

Redux was fruit of a crisis tied to rising retirement obligations. The current debt crisis is far more threatening. Total national debt is nearing $15 trillion. Unless the debt ceiling is raised by Aug. 2, the U.S. Treasury says it will default on some obligations, likely triggering a worldwide financial crisis.

Republicans vow not to raise the ceiling unless an agreement is reached with the White House to cut federal spending deeply, to include Medicare and other prized entitlements. Vice President Joe Biden is hosting closed-door meetings with Republicans and Democrats. He promises to bring forth at least $1 trillion in spending cuts over the next 10 years.

It’s during such closed-door deals that popular programs, even military benefits, can become tempting targets. Gates’ remarks encourage that military compensation be part of planned defense cuts, suggesting excess dollars going today into compensation can be diverted over time to help replace aging fleets of aircraft, ships, submarines and land warfare vehicles.

Benefit cuts that impact current members and families in wartime could be seen as unfair. But lawmakers negotiating with Biden have plenty of other options from among recommendations made late last year by separate debt reduction panels.

A task force co-chaired by former Sen. Pete Domenici and economist Alice Rivlin proposed a cheaper military retirement plan, which could be shaped to target future members only. It would provide some retired pay at age 60 for those with as few as 10 years service. But it would end the tradition of paying an immediate annuity after only 20 years.

The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, co-chaired by Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, recommended a study of structural changes to federal retirement plans. One idea floated is to defer cost-of-living adjustments until age 62, when a one-time catch-up raise would restore lost inflation protection.

Perhaps the ripest fruit for those arguing federal entitlements are unsustainable is adoption of a modified Consumer Price Index (CPI) that would shave annual cost-of-living adjustments. Both deficit reduction panels endorsed it.

The revised index is a “chain-weighted” CPI. The Bureau of Labor Statistic created it in 2002 to address criticism of “substitution bias” in other CPIs. The idea behind the revised CPI is that, as prices rise, people actually change behavior and buy cheaper items, apples instead of oranges, for example. Yet the CPI used to adjust federal entitlements assumes consumers buy the same items month after month regardless of price.

Reformers see this as exaggerating inflation and driving up entitlement costs. Defenders of current COLAs argue the index should measure price changes for the same goods and services over time, and not be adjusted continually based on changing behaviors from the sting of rising prices.

Shifting to the new CPI would curb entitlement spending, on average, by .25 percentage points a year. Yet by one estimate the savings could total $300 billion over the next decade, at least half from Social Security benefits.

For the Department of Defense, proponents might argue, this change alone is a no-brainer in desperate times, serving to dampen retirement costs without singling out the military alone for fiscal sacrifice.

To comment, e-mail milupdate@aol.com, write to Military Update, P.O. Box 231111, Centreville, VA, 20120-1111 or visit: www.militaryupdate.com


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: assault; benefits; military; pay

1 posted on 06/04/2011 4:23:15 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat

America only has so many dollars.

We send hundreds of billions of those to China.

Sorry US Service People, China has your money.

How’s that “free trade” thing working out?...


2 posted on 06/04/2011 4:25:30 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: SandRat

bastards. In time of crisis, the military is the only people who should be paid.

Cut Obeelzebub’s pay check, golf outings and money for his and his mooching wife’s vacations. Cut the congressional “fact finding” vacations and their $170,000 plus per year extorting from the tax payers, but don’t touch money going to our troops.


3 posted on 06/04/2011 4:30:27 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: SandRat

I’ll be happy when this maggot is gone. Gates has done a lot of damage to the military. Of course, that was why he was selected for the job. Meanwhile, Moochelle and Rimshot Biden’s wife are out there sucking up to the military at every turn while their spouses are actually stabbing the service members and their families in the back.


4 posted on 06/04/2011 4:31:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..")
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To: SandRat

Thank you Mr. Gates for handing all the military/family/supporter votes to the candidate that tells you and Obama to go to hell.

If we lose this election with gifts like this, we deserve our fate.

Bail out the middle east/pay china to be nice or pay our servicemen and women...hmmmm tough choice...for a liberal. Not for an American.

I like GW, really, but he really should apologize to America for appointing this moron.


5 posted on 06/04/2011 4:32:15 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SandRat
"Well, it's Tommy this and Tommy that..."

There are some here that know what that means.

I'll leave it at that.

6 posted on 06/04/2011 4:33:02 PM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: SandRat
Been waiting for this shoe to drop.
7 posted on 06/04/2011 4:33:07 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: SandRat
Serve longer careers???? Stupid &#^#*@&!!! When I retired, an E6 in the army HAD to retire at 20 years; an E7 at 24; an E8 at 27 and E9 at 30. You had no choice. You had to go up or get out. Even if that person was doing a decent, but not super man job, he was out at what ever year mark by grade. I have known a lot of good people who just were not E7 and up material but did good jobs as E6’s but had to quit at 20. I know some that would have gone till they died, but no, out you go. Top heavy in senior NCOs and bottom heavy in young people. Nope, the stupid stuff the military came up with is going to bite them in the ass again when they start cutting more pay, benefits, etc. As for WORKING aged retirees, big snot. I am 60 years old. I have had six surgeries in my life directly because of military service. I have had three in the past three years. My 60 year old body is now about 75. I can barely get out of bed in the morning, yet I am still considered working age. I retired at 55 because I simply could not do it any more. I worked in a law firm. Sitting all day I could not get out of a chair by the end of the day. My body is beat up like I got run over by an M1 tank. Right Gates. You idiot. Get off your lazy desk butt and come out in the field and see what military service does to our bodies. If I live to be 80, I will spend the last years of my life in a Hover-round because I will not be able to walk or sit up because my hips, back, spine and knees will be GONE!!! Right. Thanks for nothing Gates. Triple the Tricare payout, and cut all the other meager benefits that we have left. Stupid dimocrats. I hate every stinking dimocrat on the planet.
8 posted on 06/04/2011 4:37:48 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Amen, Brother.


9 posted on 06/04/2011 4:43:39 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Prole
Makes me sick when a teacher in New York is paid and is so bad they are not even allowed in a classroom.

But we nickel and dime people who put their lives on the line.

10 posted on 06/04/2011 4:56:15 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: SandRat
It really irks me that they want to save money by cutting pay and benefits of military people who defend the country, yet won't touch welfare, which is paid for just being born.

Col (Ret) USAF

11 posted on 06/04/2011 5:20:54 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: SandRat
"Specifically he criticized a “one-size-fits-all approach” to basic pay and retirement, suggesting “tiered and targeted” methods could cost less but pay more to service members in 'high demand and dangerous specialties.'"

So those who sleep little and sleep in the dirt might get more than those rough, tough soldiers who sit or work in air conditioned offices? That would be an interesting first.


12 posted on 06/04/2011 5:24:17 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: familyop

Just another attempt by the Democrats to promote class warfare and divide.


13 posted on 06/04/2011 5:26:36 PM PDT by sport
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"Gates has done a lot of damage to the military. Of course, that was why he was selected for the job."

Nominated by President Bush.


14 posted on 06/04/2011 5:33:59 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: JoeFromSidney

sometimes just waiding across the Rio Grande.


15 posted on 06/04/2011 5:46:45 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
suggesting “tiered and targeted” methods could cost less but pay more to service members in “high demand and dangerous specialties.”

Back in my day the military did have this "tiered and targeted" method to compensate members in high demand specialties.

It was called a Selective Reenlistment Bonus.

16 posted on 06/04/2011 5:54:39 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: SandRat
He implied pay levels overall are set too high as evidenced by the services’ continuous ability to meet recruiting and retention targets, except for the Army and only “during the worst years of Iraq.”

Had to read that more than once to be sure what it said.

A pretty cynical viewpoint for a SECDEF. He doesn't think Americans ever join because they want to serve their country, or because they are attracted all the things that make the military different from civilian. He doesn't think any of them want to "see the world" as many old recruiting slogans used to say?

I've heard Gates called the "consummate bureaucrat", meaning he'll say or do whatever the bosses say, whoever the bosses might be, makes no difference. Sounds like that was pretty accurate.

17 posted on 06/04/2011 6:15:12 PM PDT by Will88
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To: RetiredArmy

You have my vote!!!! My knees are shot after 17 years on M1 tanks. He makes it sound like I spent my time at Disneyworld!!
Gates is the typical “I am too good” to serve, but I know all about serving my country in rough and tough areas(Georgetown and Washington D.C.).


18 posted on 06/04/2011 6:25:34 PM PDT by rustyboots
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To: SandRat
He implied pay levels overall are set too high as evidenced by the services’ continuous ability to meet recruiting and retention targets, except for the Army and only “during the worst years of Iraq.”

Wow... just wow...

What an asshole.

19 posted on 06/04/2011 6:36:43 PM PDT by hattend (Let's all meet Sarah at her last bus stop -- 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in Jan 2013)
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To: SandRat

I retired with 25.5 years in. By law, as an O-5, I could only have stayed in another 2.5 years. I did a PCA after budget cuts, and ended up spending my last year in a do nothing paperwork job, trying to squeeze an hour of work into an 8 hour day.

I asked to be transferred anywhere in the world, and was told there was no money, so I retired.

The truth is I would have gladly stayed in for 35, if they would just have put me somewhere with something useful to do - but the law required me to leave at 28. That may have made sense in the 50s, but at 53 I’m riding horses, jogging, and on my last PT test in the USAF, only one guy beat me. And he admitted to me afterward that he was going to die before he’d let a 50 year old officer do more push-ups than him or run 1.5 miles faster than him. He beat me by 3 pushups and 15 seconds.

So revising the retirement system makes sense to me. HOWEVER, I am certain they will go about it the wrong way because almost no one in Congress has any idea what the military does or what motivates it.


20 posted on 06/04/2011 7:04:36 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: SandRat

Just another step in the destruction of our military, erosion of our national security and the survival of our country.

Fag ‘em up and now ruin ‘em financially.... unforgivable.

13 steps and a short fall is needed for a good many traitors.


21 posted on 06/04/2011 7:08:57 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: All

How about we cut the pensions of the bastards in Washington, who get it regardless of how long they are in office. Our politicians are killing our country each and every day. What would our forefathers do?


22 posted on 06/04/2011 7:25:48 PM PDT by gunner03
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To: Norm Lenhart

It is worse, the fed gave billions to PUBLIC union pension funds. Yet now they want to steal from retirees like me. The goal is to force off the TRICARE by making it more costly than private insurance. After 31 years of service Gates and Mullens see me as a free rider on their system.


23 posted on 06/04/2011 7:34:07 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (Social engineers build bad bridges.)
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To: familyop
Cannot speak for the Army but eBay Marine is a rifleman and gets to spend a part of there in dirt and mud. Every Sailor at sea sleeps on the same ship. But all in all, it is the computer geeks and nuc techs that will get the real money grunts are a dime a dozen to the big brass. But God has a special place in heaven for grunts.
24 posted on 06/04/2011 7:42:39 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (Social engineers build bad bridges.)
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To: SandRat
Robert Gates is one of the worst Cabinet Secretaries ever. I agree that a dollar should buy a dollar worth of defense and that if there's any inefficiency in the military, it should be corrected. But the men and women in uniform earn their pay and benefits in a way few can understand Robert Gates obviously doens't understand or merely doesn't care.
25 posted on 06/04/2011 8:26:25 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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To: gunner03

Gunner03! Please check the following link for Congressional Retirement. Thanks

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm


26 posted on 06/04/2011 8:34:28 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 81)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Like Mullen, wasn’t Gates appointed during the Bush years?


27 posted on 06/04/2011 8:59:18 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: SandRat

Back to the old $21 a day...once a month... as it was in WWII.


28 posted on 06/04/2011 9:00:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: RetiredArmy

Well said brother of a sister service..and I think we need to print Tommy this and Tommy that.... great poem and one freeper sometime back added a stanza...


29 posted on 06/04/2011 9:03:05 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: familyop

Well the grunts who sleep in the dirt can thank the POGS ( persons other than grunts) in admin and disbursing, and supply etc who keep their pay, orders, transportation etc all in order for them...who do they think keeps track of the promotions to ensure the records are correct so they get the pay for the new rank, or the leave time recorded, and all the other administrative requirements are achieved? Good lord these stupid civilians who never even tried boot camp seem to know all about the life a military person..the deployments, the holidays apart from families the fact that we are not paid for an 8 hour day, we are on call for 24 hours a day and so much more....


30 posted on 06/04/2011 9:09:28 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: gunner03

“How about we cut the pensions of the bastards in Washington, who get it regardless of how long they are in office. Our politicians are killing our country each and every day. What would our forefathers do?”

How about we ELIMINATE the pensions?


31 posted on 06/04/2011 9:14:11 PM PDT by Senormechanico
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To: celtic gal

Thanks. It’s true that being away from home is often the hardest part. I didn’t have to be away nearly as long as many others and had it easy in that respect.


32 posted on 06/04/2011 9:37:01 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: OldGoatCPO

Those are good points. With some of the recent policies we’re seeing, it’s becoming sadly more obvious that our nation may not have the will to try finish any larger fight in a most timely manner.


33 posted on 06/04/2011 9:40:43 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: OldGoatCPO

And thank you.


34 posted on 06/04/2011 9:47:04 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: hattend

Yep...maybe he thinks that McDonald emplyees should be paid more because they cant get a job anywhere else.
These servicemen and women lay it on the line everyday, and this douchebag slaps them in the face.
Palin should play his remarks to every base she goes to this year.


35 posted on 06/05/2011 3:58:59 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: SandRat

Pay the troops what they’re worth (a lot more than they’re getting now), Pay the politicians on the same basis (and that will bring their compensation W-A-A-AY down)!


36 posted on 06/05/2011 6:04:32 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: rustyboots
Your right of course. The stinking dimocrats make it sound like, “well you chose to be in the military, so what happens to you happens to you, not our fault.” They do not care about the military. Dimocrats have not cared about the military since 1960s. Until around 1970s or 80s, my family was dimocrat. Never me. I don't ever vote for them. Nixon was the first that I voted for. Solid republican voter I have remained. But even those fools are driving me insane. Dimocrats hate the US military more than they hate radical Izzlum. They have since Vietnam. I still root for our guys and gals in the military and wish them everything they get. But, me, I still cannot forget being called a baby killer, spit at and the looks as you walked through airports back during Vietnam. At least the kids today are getting respect. We got spit on.
37 posted on 06/05/2011 7:03:34 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy
I have had six surgeries in my life directly because of military service . . . . My 60 year old body is now about 75. I can barely get out of bed in the morning, yet I am still considered working age.

+5 on all you said.

Those years of lifting heavy vehicle parts has been real bad for my back. I don't think there are any parts - other than a few light bulbs and switches - on an armored vehicle that weigh less than 20 lbs.

Just having to replace a set of batteries on a tank or most vehicles make me cringe. I turn 60 next year, so will retire at the end of 2011.

38 posted on 06/05/2011 10:32:40 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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