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California Dreaming (Rushing to Implement Obamacare)
The New Republic ^ | June 4, 2011 | Jonathan Cohn

Posted on 06/05/2011 11:49:32 AM PDT by UniqueViews

Some of the most interesting developments in health care policy these days aren't taking place in Washington. They're taking place in Sacramento and the rest of California, where public officials, private sector leaders, and activists are working to implement the Affordable Care Act.

California is not the only state moving aggressively to implement health care reform. For all of the news that opponents of the law have generated, several states have embraced it. Mostly it's more liberal states, like Maryland...

But even some more conservative states are moving forward. ... the governor in Alabama has issued an executive order to prepare an exchange...

Governor Jerry Brown is reducing Medicaid spending. But California's Medicaid already pays so little that recipients can have difficulty finding doctors willing to see them, particularly specialists. Taking so much money out of Medicaid now could mean that, come 2014, millions of Californians get insurance that, although better than nothing, offers inferior access to care.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: California; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: healthcare; medicaid; obama; obamacare; rationing
Rationing comeing near you very soon...
1 posted on 06/05/2011 11:49:38 AM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

...coming...

I can spell, just can’t type...


2 posted on 06/05/2011 11:50:15 AM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews
...coming...

I can spell, just can’t type...


3 posted on 06/05/2011 11:52:03 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: UniqueViews
what is the status of the various state's litigation against the government and obamacare???
4 posted on 06/05/2011 11:52:42 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: UniqueViews
But California's Medicaid already pays so little that recipients can have difficulty finding doctors willing to see them, particularly specialists.

Part of me feels good that people on Medicaid, most of whom voted for 0bama, will have even more problems getting access to health care. Serves them right.

5 posted on 06/05/2011 11:56:04 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: UniqueViews
California Dreaming (Rushing to Implement Obamacare)

My home state, born and raised. Will anything turn this insanity around?

Not crazy about the cold, but Idaho's looking better all the time. I'm with the states that protect their citizens by nullifying unconstitutional federal acts.

6 posted on 06/05/2011 11:57:06 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: UniqueViews

For many Americans, the cost of heath care turns out to be much worse than their injuries or their illness. Today’s cost of health care and medical treatment is like being financially gang raped. If ya happen to get ill, and still have have an income, and or still have equity in your home but lack top shelf health insurance, you’re done. You’ll be beat into the ground, financially gang raped, robbed at gun point and likely not survive the stress of the financial tidal wave.


7 posted on 06/05/2011 12:20:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

That’s why responsible people BUY health insurance.

Many, if not most people without health insurance are people who could afford to buy it, but cable TV, bigger apartment, more clothes, entertainment is more important to them, then they complain if something happens to them and they can’t pay their medical bills.

People need to take responsibility for themselves. You start with health insurance, then food and shelter, THEN other things, instead of the reverse.


8 posted on 06/05/2011 12:25:50 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

Um, no?

Food and shelter are FIRST on the list. Who the hell needs health insurance if you dont have anything to eat?


9 posted on 06/05/2011 12:29:05 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: UniqueViews

I figure they think that the feds are going to pay for what they have been trying to do which much to their eventual surprise will blow up in their fces with the addition of all the extras to medicaid who can’t afford insurance.I beleive most of those costs the states are supposed to cover.


10 posted on 06/05/2011 12:33:05 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: UniqueViews

I figure they think that the feds are going to pay for what they have been trying to do which much to their eventual surprise will blow up in their faces with the addition of all the extras to medicaid who can’t afford insurance.I beleive most of those costs the states are supposed to cover.


11 posted on 06/05/2011 12:33:16 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Soothesayer9

Food is cheap — yes, you need shelter, but given a choice between a 3 bedroom upscale apartment or a 2 bedroom lesser one AND health insurance, you should opt for the latter.

Bottom line — how much is your life worth? That’s what health insurance is for, to save your life, because you never know what can happen. People should not rely on the government to bail them out, because they have been irresponsible.


12 posted on 06/05/2011 12:33:21 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews
End Near for Zimbabwe's Last White Farmers

They failed to see the writing on the wall over a decade ago.

13 posted on 06/05/2011 12:34:49 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: UniqueViews; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; Just A Nobody; fieldmarshaldj; jazusamo; Man50D; ...
Memo to the Republicans in the House:

Repeal Obama Care in its entirety, again, again, and again!!! Who cares if the Senate and White House won't go along - at least for now. Keep repealing it, say once a month if you have to. That's the way to keep it on the front burner until voters give you a GOP Senate and a GOP White House to finally get rid of it come January 2013.

Don't let Obamatons, like the lefty writer of this posted article, pretend that it's so far along already that it can't be touched.

14 posted on 06/05/2011 12:39:26 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: UniqueViews
For many Americans, the cost of heath care turns out to be much worse than their injuries or their illness. Today’s cost of health care and medical treatment is like being financially gang raped. If ya happen to get ill, and still have have an income, and or still have equity in your home but lack top shelf health insurance, you’re done. You’ll be beat into the ground, financially gang raped, robbed at gun point and likely not survive the stress of the financial tidal wave.

That’s why responsible people BUY health insurance.

You're a little slow huh?

Did ya happen to notice the tens of millions that lost their jobs, careers, businesses, had their hours cut, had their benefits reduced, were forced to go from full time to part time, or had their health care benefits completely slashed and or eliminated due to cost/economy?

But you still got yours right?

15 posted on 06/05/2011 12:50:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: UniqueViews
In the old days before insurances (car, home, health) became almost mandatory, people paid out of pocket for their health care.

Then came the Gov't who TOOK OVER health care for the elderly.

This has caused costs to surge as bureaucracies now control costs. I don't blame people for not buying into the scams. Why feel guilty for not buying a product that's so obviously high in cost?

16 posted on 06/05/2011 12:54:14 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: UniqueViews
People should not rely on the government to bail them out, because they have been irresponsible.

Yet they're forced to bail out government and their insider buddies on Wall Street to the tune of *trillions.*

Your Unique Views are pretty much disconnected from reality.

Food is cheap

Yep, a total complete disconnect.

17 posted on 06/05/2011 12:59:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: UniqueViews
Created by clearcarbon


18 posted on 06/05/2011 1:12:08 PM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: UniqueViews

I live in Maryland and my Governor O’Malley and Senate President Mike Miller would kneel down before Obama and Well!!!!!.

Maryland is a lost cause politically.
We have too many Gubmint affirmative action workers who came to PG County and Howard County, and now are sneaking into Charles County, along with the liberal riche’ from Montgomery who can afford not to have to live next to the others .Add that to the Baltimore city and County crowd and the rest of us just waste our time going to the polls.


19 posted on 06/05/2011 1:14:35 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: UniqueViews
The biggest problem for California, though, is money. Starved for revenue, thanks in no small part to anti-tax laws and a dysfunctional state legislature, it’s deeply in the red. (bold added)

Liberals all believe a few things, and at the top of their list is that tax increases (on "wealthy") will increase revenues. They all believe it, and they can all cite bogus and warped stats by rote that make their point.

Every liberal I know believes this. They are not all bad people, but they do have difficulties when it comes time to stop believing in the tooth fairy that is increased taxes on the "wealthiest among us".

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20 posted on 06/05/2011 1:39:37 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: dragnet2

“Did ya happen to notice the tens of millions that lost their jobs, careers, businesses, had their hours cut, had their benefits reduced, were forced to go from full time to part time, or had their health care benefits completely slashed and or eliminated due to cost/economy? “

And how many of those canceled their cable, moved into a smaller apartment, stopped buying clothes, stopped buying TVs, etc. — I bet they are continuing their lifestyle, the one thing they don’t buy is health insurance. There is COBRA, you can get health insurance for at least 18 months, you just have to pay for it yourself.

It’s all a matter of priorities.

Conservatives don’t advocate personal irresponsibility and reliance on the government. Your views expressed on this thread are NOT those of a conservative, more similar to those of a communist agitator, trying to rile up people to “attack the rich”. Pathetic.


21 posted on 06/05/2011 1:53:15 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews
For many Americans, the cost of heath care turns out to be much worse than their injuries or their illness. Today’s cost of health care and medical treatment is like being financially gang raped. If ya happen to get ill, and still have have an income, and or still have equity in your home but lack top shelf health insurance, you’re done. You’ll be beat into the ground, financially gang raped, robbed at gun point and likely not survive the stress of the financial tidal wave. That’s why responsible people BUY health insurance.

You're a little slow huh?

Did ya happen to notice the tens of millions that lost their jobs, careers, businesses, had their hours cut, had their benefits reduced, were forced to go from full time to part time, or had their health care benefits completely slashed and or eliminated due to cost/economy?

But you still got yours right?

how many of those canceled their cable...stopped buying clothes

Food is cheap.

You could not be *anymore* detached from reality.

22 posted on 06/05/2011 1:58:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: UniqueViews

“Governor Jerry Brown is reducing Medicaid spending. But California’s Medicaid already pays so little that recipients can have difficulty finding doctors willing to see them, particularly specialists.”
Sounds like it’s already there.


23 posted on 06/05/2011 1:59:42 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: dragnet2

Family policy at work went from $1900 a month to $2100 this month.


24 posted on 06/05/2011 2:01:27 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: UniqueViews
Your views expressed on this thread are NOT those of a conservative, more similar to those of a communist agitator, trying to rile up people to “attack the rich”.

LOL!

People are already riled up slick...

Again, you're *TOTALLY* detached from reality of this situation.

25 posted on 06/05/2011 2:04:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Yearly in NYC and its by no means a cadillac policy,a little over 25k a year. Even those with it won’t be able to afford it for long. In ten years it will be 30-35k a year. Wages have barely moved (except for government workers) for 15 years. I don’t know what the solution is but i do know prices are accelerating upwards under odumbocare. We’re pre subsidizing all the new people to be covered. Of course the fact that we’ve been giving away this valuable commodity to illegals for a few decades now is not helping.


26 posted on 06/05/2011 2:09:50 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen
Family policy at work went from $1900 a month to $2100 this month.

I know a guy that just had a 6.5 hour heart operation and there were like 5 people present in the room including the surgeon, during the procedure. The crooks at the hospital charged the insurance crooks $1,500,000...for 6.5 hours work...hehehe.

He told me they could have paid the surgeon and his 4 assistants $10,000 per freaking hour, and it still would have been WAY cheaper, at about $350,000.

These people are living in a dream world..

27 posted on 06/05/2011 2:15:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: UniqueViews

COBRA is in NY & CT over $1,000 a month. Its a big nut for someone unemployed. This is not about conservative or liberal or whatever. It’s reality. I’m not advocating anything here. You give an example of one type of person who is ignoring responsibility. How about the person who never made a really good living and lives within their means. It’s not being conservative to look at one side and not the other. That’s what libs do.


28 posted on 06/05/2011 2:16:28 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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He told me they could have paid the surgeon and his 4 assistants $10,000 per freaking hour, and it still would have been WAY cheaper, at about $350,000.

That's $10,000 per hour, for EACH ONE!!

29 posted on 06/05/2011 2:20:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You know insurance is what in the end drives up medical costs. Who’s being charged? Not the person being treated but insurance. Insurance has removed any sense of checks and balances. Theres a need for insurance,no doubt,but it’s like some monster from 1950’s sci fi that has to be constantly fed or else it will eat you too.


30 posted on 06/05/2011 2:22:11 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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Did ya happen to notice the tens of millions that lost their jobs, careers, businesses, had their hours cut, had their benefits reduced, were forced to go from full time to part time, or had their health care benefits completely slashed and or eliminated due to cost/economy?

And who caused that? The same bastar@s that invented Obamacare. And what is the solution. Maybe keeping America in the same shi@ hole will do it. The suffering everyone of us will be tenfold during the next few years and nothing will stop the pain. No such thing as guarantees.

31 posted on 06/05/2011 2:23:52 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: wiggen

Our entire medical/insurance industry is completely, 100% out of control with their costs and expenses. It’s become absolutely absurd.


32 posted on 06/05/2011 2:26:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Yes, and obamacare is just another nail in the coffin for many businesses and is resulting in more unemployed people...who may need the government! uuummm, planned maybe??


33 posted on 06/05/2011 2:27:23 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: wiggen
You know insurance is what in the end drives up medical costs. Who’s being charged? Not the person being treated but insurance. Insurance has removed any sense of checks and balances.

True, but as I said, for those who make a bit too much income, and still have some equity in their home, but lost or had their health insurance reduced or eliminated, or don't happen to have top shelf health insurance, you nothing but a target, who will be beat like drum.

34 posted on 06/05/2011 2:33:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: UniqueViews

At a recent meeting one major health insurance company said they expect premiums to triple and perhaps go even higher once the mandate is implemented to cover pre-existing conditions. Hold on to your wallet!


35 posted on 06/05/2011 2:43:03 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: dragnet2

Price of medical care has gone up over the years, just as the price of cars, food, housing, etc. — do you want to demand that the government should do something about all that too?

“In 1960 a new house cost $12,700.00 and by 1969 was $15,500.00

In 1960 the average income per year was $5,315.00 and by 1969 was $8,540.00

In 1960 a gallon of gas was 25 cents and by 1969 was 35 cents

In 1960 the average cost of new car was $2,600.00 and by 1969 was $3,270.00 “

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1960s.html


36 posted on 06/05/2011 2:47:46 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: dragnet2

And here we are discussing this though some chose to pull the ‘conservative’ card, in a sensible manner. This has sadly become the rare as opposed to the norm.
Tort reform. Healthcare for citizens only. There are so many cost saving possibilities but we get odumbo care. Some smart politician would do well to draw a comparison to giving every illegal that comes into the country as well as their offspring,some gold straight from Fort Knox. Isn’t that after all exactly what we are doing? We are giving away a valuable commodity for nothing.


37 posted on 06/05/2011 2:49:18 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

There are always some people who have been responsible all their lives and fall on hard times through no fault of their own — that is what the “safety net” supposed to be for.

Unfortunately, from what I have seen, a very large fraction of those receiving government aid or counting on government bail out, if they should get sick. They could well afford insurance, if they adjusted their priorities. Those are the ones I was talking about. There are way too many of them, just from what I have seen personally. And some of the posters here are trying to justify irresponsible behavior. They don’t want to give up anything, to make sure that their family has insurance, in case something happens, they feel “entitled”, then they blame Wall Street, insurance companies, everyone, but themselves.


38 posted on 06/05/2011 2:56:09 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews
Our entire medical/insurance industry is completely, 100% out of control with their costs and expenses. It’s become absolutely absurd. do you want to demand that the government should do something about all that too?

I know you're a little slow, can't stand the truth, and are completely detached from reality, but where did I say I wanted "government" to do something about medical care? If you could be specific.

39 posted on 06/05/2011 2:57:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The reason medical care is so expensive, is because hospitals can’t turn anyone away, and those who have insurance have to pay for the medical costs of people without insurance, many of whom don’t have insurance because they want to spend the money on other things, so they are freeloading on the responsible people, who buy insurance.


40 posted on 06/05/2011 2:59:25 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

I don’t see anyone else here claiming that posters here are trying to justify irresponsible behavior. I certainly saw none of that,only a poster pointing out the reality of the situation.
Allow me to point out that “what you have seen” is tainted because those are the stories that make the press while those that seek little or no help remain for the most part unseen. It’s also not a crime nor does it destroy one’s conservative credentials to need a hand at some point.


41 posted on 06/05/2011 3:03:04 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: UniqueViews
For many Americans, the cost of heath care turns out to be much worse than their injuries or their illness. Today’s cost of health care and medical treatment is like being financially gang raped. If ya happen to get ill, and still have have an income, and or still have equity in your home but lack top shelf health insurance, you’re done. You’ll be beat into the ground, financially gang raped, robbed at gun point and likely not survive the stress of the financial tidal wave.

That’s why responsible people BUY health insurance.

You're a little slow huh?

Did ya happen to notice the tens of millions that lost their jobs, careers, businesses, had their hours cut, had their benefits reduced, were forced to go from full time to part time, or had their health care benefits completely slashed and or eliminated due to cost/economy?

The reason medical care is so expensive, is because hospitals can’t turn anyone away, and those who have insurance have to pay for the medical costs of people without insurance, many of whom don’t have insurance because they want to spend the money on other things, so they are freeloading on the responsible people, who buy insurance.

You babble about free loaders yet fail to mention your government is aiding and abetting tens of millions of illegals whom are choking off our hospitals, heath-care and undermining our entire system?

BTW slick, I'm not talking about freeloaders. Read the above again...

You been living in cave?

42 posted on 06/05/2011 3:05:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: UniqueViews; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ..
Mostly it's more liberal states, like Maryland...

Figures. Martin O'Moron rides again!

Maryland "Freak State" PING!

43 posted on 06/05/2011 7:56:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: UniqueViews

KILL IT!

44 posted on 06/05/2011 8:12:54 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw the Rats and RINOs out!)
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To: wiggen

COBRA is the full cost of what the insurance is costing.

“COBRA is in NY & CT over $1,000 a month.”


45 posted on 06/05/2011 8:55:25 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: UniqueViews

I thought 0bozocare had been declared unconstitutional in one or more of the 57 states. What’s up with that?


46 posted on 06/05/2011 8:59:15 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics (We know who John Gault is. What I want to know is, who Is Barry Soetoro?)
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