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Rep. Allen West makes the case for LAS and the A-29 Super Tucano
Built For The Mission Flikr Stream ^ | May 26, 2011 | Rep. Allen West

Posted on 06/05/2011 7:43:14 PM PDT by DefenseMatters

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To: USNBandit
The Beech may not be the best airframe for a modern COIN role but the Lockheed- Martin integrated battlefield management avionics for the Beech is state of the art and seamlessly integrates into our network to deploy precision munitions in a way the Tucano simply cannot match so it probably is the best choice long term.

On the other hand, these are cheap aircraft and we need them now. An initial procurement of the Tucano for near term needs with with a follow on buy of the the Beech makes sense but that is not how our military works.

Both are suited to low intensity bush war COIN type missions and would not last long in any serious conflict against a modern, moderately well equipped opponent. Aircraft of this type just got creamed by the Brits in the Falklands decades ago with 1960’s vintage weapons and were out of the fight in the first few days.

In reality, a modernized, stripped down, lightened A-10 with more fuel efficient engines and optimized for ground attack with precision munitions instead of anti tank operations would make a lot of sense.

It would be more survivable and effective in a future, higher intensity conflict. It would have vastly higher payload of weapons and would not cost that much more than either the Beech or the Tucano.

In reality, most of the costs in military aircraft these days are in avionics black boxes - not the airframe or engine. It is also a fact that the A-10 was designed from the git go as an attack plane and the other two are converted training aircraft.

21 posted on 06/05/2011 9:47:12 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: DefenseMatters

He makes too much sense.


22 posted on 06/05/2011 10:06:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Pining_4_TX

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23 posted on 06/05/2011 10:30:26 PM PDT by stormer
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To: rdcbn
I think you may have confused the EMB-312 Tucano for the EMB-314 Super Tucano.

You are right that the AT-6 is not a proper airframe for the COIN role because it was designed as a trainer. The Super Tucano is a "clean sheet" design precisely for that mission, which it is performing admirably against the FARC in Colombia.

OTOH, you are incorrect wrt the Super Tucano's avionics: the aircraft has demonstrated it's ability to employ the most advanced US systems (including Link-16, SADL, Rover, etc) via the USN's "Imminent Fury" program. Some of the USN/USAF's very best fighter pilots were standing in line to take the aircraft to Afghanistan.

Finally, your acquistion proposal is uninformed. The AT-6 is a converted trainer and as such it is at the end of it's growth curve. The aircraft's development has been complicated by the need to retrofit a more powerful engine (without an attendant increase in the size of control surfaces), CG problems as more equipment is added (requiring ballast to offset which is reducing payload and performance), not to mention that it has not yet been certified to drop weapons.

Congressman West has a firm grasp of the LAS/LAAR requirements, has asked the right questions, and has been able to determine the appropriate aircraft for both of these missions. Most importantly, LtCol West was "the customer" at one point. Hopefully our acquistion executives will pay attention to him.

24 posted on 06/06/2011 6:47:55 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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