Skip to comments.Mosques as Barracks in America
Posted on 06/05/2011 9:32:35 PM PDT by neverdem
Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan represents the triumphant Janus-faced approach to the fundamentalist global "Islamic revival." He and his pious forbears have now completed dismantling Turkey's secular experiment, and achieved the full-throated re-Islamization of Turkish society, an insidious process begun already within the decade after Ataturk's death, in 1938. When currying favor with gullible Western audiences, Erdogan burbles disingenuous ecumenical platitudes about the "Alliance of Civilizations." But in reality, this is an Islamization campaign promoted by the Organization of the Islamic Conference, notably Saudi Arabia, which rewarded Erdogan, for his role in the Alliance, specifically, as "services to Islam," with the "King Faisal International Prize," considered the "Nobel prize" of the Arab world. Regardless, Erdogan has always aroused his Muslim constituencies by brazenly appealing to their deep-seated jihadist sentiments as he did while mayor of Istanbul, in 1997, delivering a fiery speech that reminded the masses of these words from the poem "The Soldier's Prayer," written (in 1912) by Turkish nationalist poet Ziya Gokalp:
The minarets are our bayonets, the domes our helmets, the mosques our barracks and the faithful our army.
Cited appropriately by successful opponents of minaret construction in Switzerland, such rhetoric should now resonate uncomfortably in America with the online release Monday June 6, 2011 of alarming survey data from a representative national sample of US mosques.
During August 2007, the New York City Police Department (NYPD) released "Radicalization in the West - The Homegrown Threat." This insightful 90-page report(PDF) evaluated the threat that had become apparent since 9/11/2001, analyzing the roots of recent terror plots in the United States, from Lackawanna in upstate New York to Portland, Ore., to Fort Dix, NJ. Based upon these case-study analyses of individuals arrested for jihadist activity, the authors concluded(PDF) that the "journey" of radicalization that produces homegrown jihadists began in so-called "Salafist" ("fundamentalist" to non-Muslims) mosques characterized by high levels of Sharia-Islamic Law-adherence. The landmark study just published, "Sharia and Violence in American Mosques" (Kedar M, Yerushalmi D. The Middle East Quarterly, Summer 2011, Vol. 18, No. 3, pp. 59-72) sought to expand considerably upon the NYPD's post-hoc, case study approach(PDF)-systematically gathering objective survey data, with much greater methodological rigor-and address these two a priori questions: I) Is there a robust association between observable measures of religious devotion, coupled to Sharia-adherence in US mosques, and the presence of violence-sanctioning materials at these mosques?; and II) Is there a robust association between the presence of violence-sanctioning materials at a mosque, and the advocacy of jihadism by the mosque's leadership via recommending the study of these materials, or other manifest behaviors?
Full details of the sampling methodology, extracts of representative jihad promoting materials (texts), and specific Sharia-compliant behaviors recorded, are provided in the accompanying appendices, reproduced from the full study (which will be available here 6/6/11). In brief, survey data were collected from a nationally representative, random statistical sample of 100 US mosques, covering 14 states, and the District of Columbia. This concise overview of the basic data collection procedures-including a self-critical, honest caveat by the authors about "completeness" of the available information on US mosque locations-is reproduced verbatim from the report (p. 68):
A surveyor visited a subject mosque in order: (a) to observe and record 12 Sharia-adherent behaviors of the worshipers and the imam (or lay leader); (b) to observe whether the mosque contained the selected materials rated as moderate and severe; (c) to observe whether the mosque contained materials promoting, praising, or supporting violence or violent jihad; and (d) to observe whether the mosque contained materials indicating the mosque had invited guest speakers known to have promoted violent jihad. Thus, the survey only examined the presence of Sharia-adherent behaviors, the presence of violence positive materials in mosques, whether an imam would promote the study of violence-positive materials, and whether a mosque was used as a forum to promote violent jihad. Since there is no central body to which all mosques belong, it was difficult to ascertain that the sampling universe list was complete. This may have introduced bias into the sampling although the authors find no evidence of any systemic distortions.
The study's results provide clear-and ominous-affirmative answers to the a priori questions posed. Sharia-adherence was strongly associated with the presence of jihad-violence sanctioning materials, and the presence of jihad-violence sanctioning materials was in turn robustly associated advocacy of jihadism by mosque imams-religious leaders. This key summary finding was highlighted by the authors:
...51 percent of mosques had texts that either advocated the use of violence in the pursuit of a Shari'a-based political order or advocated violent jihad as a duty that should be of paramount importance to a Muslim; 30 percent had only texts that were moderately supportive of violence like the Tafsir Ibn Kathir and Fiqh as-Sunna; 19 percent had no violent texts at all.
Thus 81% of this statistical sample representative of US mosques were deemed as moderately (30%) to highly (51%) supportive of promulgating jihad violence to impose Shari'a.
Additional profoundly troubling findings emerge when the data are explored in depth beyond these summary observations. For example, only 4.7% of Muslim worshippers attended mosques where jihadist materials were not provided because Sharia-compliant mosques promoting jihad were the most heavily attended. The authors also describe these specific details indicating that the preponderance of US mosques sanction jihad terrorism and its ultimate goal of a Caliphate (i.e., the transnational imposition of strict Islamic law in current Muslim nations, and ultimately global imposition of Islamic Law, including in the US), if one includes advocacy of financial support for this sacralized violence (from pp. 67-69).
The survey found a strong correlation between the presence of severe violence-promoting literature and mosques featuring written, audio, and video materials that actually promoted such acts. By promotion of jihad, the study included literature encouraging worshipers to engage in terrorist activity, to provide financial support to jihadists, and to promote the establishment of a caliphate in the United States. These materials also explicitly praised acts of terror against the West; praised symbols or role models of violent jihad; promoted the use of force, terror, war, and violence to implement the
Sharia; emphasized the inferiority of non-Muslim life; promoted hatred and intolerance toward non-Muslims or notional Muslims; and endorsed inflammatory materials with anti-U.S. views... [O]f the 51 mosques that contained severe materials, 100 percent were led by imams who recommended that worshipers study texts that promote violence.
[M]osques containing violence positive materials were substantially more likely to include materials promoting financial support of terror than mosques that did not contain such texts. A disturbing 98 percent of mosques with severe texts included materials promoting financial support of terror. Those with only moderate rated materials on site were not markedly different, with 97 percent providing such materials.
These results were comparable when using other indicators of jihad promotion. Thus, 98 percent of mosques that contained severe-rated literature included materials promoting establishing an Islamic caliphate in the United States as did 97 percent of mosques containing only moderate rated materials.
These are the hard data that make plain why the "see no Sharia in America" mindslaughter redolent across the political spectrum amongst our policymaking, academic, and journalistic elites, is so dangerously delusive.
Indeed such disturbing survey results from a nationally representative sample of US mosques demonstrate Islam's doctrinal and behavioral consistency across nearly 14 centuries, past as prologue to the present. Over 17,000 jihad terror attacks have been committed by Muslims worldwide since the cataclysmic acts of jihad terrorism committed against the United States itself on September 11, 2001. These data should remind us that there is just one historically relevant meaning of jihad despite contemporary apologetics. Jahada, the root of the word jihad, appears 40 times in the Koran. With 4 exceptions, all the other 36 usages in the Koran as understood by both the greatest jurists and scholars of classical Islam (including Abu Yusuf, Averroes, Ibn Khaldun, and Al Ghazali), and ordinary Muslims-meant and mean, "he fought, warred or waged war against unbelievers and the like."
The Muslim prophet Muhammad waged a series of proto-jihad campaigns to subdue the Jews, Christians and pagans of Arabia. Numerous modern day pronouncements by leading Muslim theologians (see Yusuf Al-Qaradawi's "The Prophet Muhammad as a Jihad Model," 2001) confirm that Muhammad remains the major inspiration for jihadism today. Jihad has been pursued continuously since the 7th century advent of Islam, through the present, because it was institutionalized by seminal early Muslim theologians based on their interpretation of Koranic verses, and long chapters in the "hadith," or acts and sayings of Muhammad. Within a century of Muhammad's death, violent jihad conquests-achieved by religiously sanctioned massacre, pillage, enslavement, and deportation-Islamized a vast swath of territory, extending from modern Pakistan to Portugal. The permanent goal of jihad is to bring humanity, en bloc, under the jurisdiction of Sharia-a totalitarian system of religious governance, particularly oppressive to all non-Muslims, and women.
American Presidents John Quincy Adams and Theodore Roosevelt each possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institution of jihad war-both its doctrinal basis, and history. Regarding jihad, Adams states in an 1829-30 essay series,
...he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind...The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
Roosevelt offered this historical perspective in 1916 on the consequences for Western civilization of succeeding, or failing to repel jihad conquerors:
The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization...[including] those of Charles Martel in the 8th century [over Arab jihadists] and those of John Sobieski in the 17th century [over Ottoman Turkish jihadists]. During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier [Martel] and the Polish king [Sobieski], the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any 'social values' whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence [is]...concerned."
Also writing in 1916, C. Snouck Hurgronje, the great Dutch Orientalist, underscored how the jihad doctrine of world conquest, and the re-creation of a supranational Islamic Caliphate remained a potent force among the Muslim masses:
...it would be a gross mistake to imagine that the idea of universal conquest may be considered as obliterated...the canonists and the vulgar still live in the illusion of the days of Islam's greatness. The legists continue to ground their appreciation of every actual political condition on the law of the holy war, which war ought never be allowed to cease entirely until all mankind is reduced to the authority of Islam-the heathen by conversion, the adherents of acknowledged Scripture [i.e., Jews and Christians] by submission.
Hurgronje further noted that although the Muslim rank and file might acknowledge the improbability of that goal "at present" (circa 1916), they were,
...comforted and encouraged by the recollection of the lengthy period of humiliation that the Prophet himself had to suffer before Allah bestowed victory upon his arms...
Thus even at the nadir of Islam's political power, during the World War I era final disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, Hurgronje observed how
...the common people are willingly taught by the canonists and feed their hope of better days upon the innumerable legends of the olden time and the equally innumerable apocalyptic prophecies about the future. The political blows that fall upon Islam make less impression...than the senseless stories about the power of the Sultan of Stambul [Istanbul], that would instantly be revealed if he were not surrounded by treacherous servants, and the fantastic tidings of the miracles that Allah works in the Holy Cities of Arabia which are inaccessible to the unfaithful. The conception of the Khalifate [Caliphate] still exercises a fascinating influence, regarded in the light of a central point of union against the unfaithful (i.e., non-Muslims).
Nearly a century later, the preponderance of contemporary mainstream Muslims from Morocco to Indonesia, apparently share with their murderous, jihad terror waging co-religionists from al-Qaeda the goal (if not necessarily supporting the gruesome means) of re-establishing an Islamic Caliphate. Polling data released April 24, 2007 in a rigorously conducted face-to-face University of Maryland/ WorldPublicOpinion.org interview survey of 4384 Muslims conducted between December 9, 2006 and February 15, 2007-1000 Moroccans, 1000 Egyptians, 1243 Pakistanis, and 1141 Indonesians-reveal that 65.2% of those interviewed - almost 2/3, hardly a "fringe minority" - desired this outcome (i.e., "To unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic state or Caliphate"), including 49% of "moderate" Indonesian Muslims. The internal validity of these data about the present longing for a Caliphate is strongly suggested by a concordant result: 65.5% of this Muslim sample approved the proposition "To require a strict [emphasis added] application of Sharia law in every Islamic country."
Such Caliphate dreams -- to be achieved through jihad conquests -- have always been nurtured in mosques. The authoritative Brill Encyclopedia of Islam entry on "masdjid," or mosque, highlights the mosque's primary socio-political functions -- including holding war councils -- since the advent of the first Muslim polity under Islam's prophet-warrior and ruler, Muhammad, in Medina:
The mosque was the place where believers assembled for prayer around the Prophet, where he delivered his addresses, which contained not only appeals for obedience to God but regulations affecting the social life of the community; from here he controlled the religious and political community of Islam...From the Medina mosque was developed the general type of mosque.
It was inherent in the character of Islam, that religion and politics could not be separated. The same individual was ruler and chief administrator in the two fields, and the same building, the mosque, was the center of gravity for both politics and religion. This relationship found expression in the fact that the mosque was placed in the center of the camp, while the ruler's abode was built immediately adjacent to it, as in Medina.
[W]ar was inseparably associated with early Islam and the mosque was public meeting place of ruler and people...councils of war were held in the mosque.
Richard Mitchell's seminal analysis of the contemporary Muslim Brotherhood-the prototype modern fundamentalist organization-state's simply, that from its advent,
Throughout the history of the [Muslim Brotherhood] movement the mosque continued to be its principal recruiting office.
This doctrinal and historical context explains why the "Sharia and Violence in American Mosques" study results-while immediate, justifiable cause for alarm-are unsurprising, even predictable. Moreover the current findings were augured by a qualitative assessment of US mosques by Sheikh Hisham Kabbani described in 1999, and the localized Detroit area survey of mosques conducted in 2003.
During a 1999 State Department presentation entitled "Islamic Extremism: A Viable Threat to U.S. National Security" Sufi Sheikh Kabbani, who heads The Islamic Supreme Council of America, based upon personal visits to mosques across the US, asserted that 80% were run by "militant," i.e. fundamentalist clerics. "The Detroit Mosque Study: Muslim Views on Policy and Religion," was conducted by Ihsan Bagby an Associate Professor of Islamic Studies at thye University of Kentucky and a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy Understanding-a Muslim organization. Data were gathered during the summer of 2003 and published online in 2004. These portentous findings were described on page 37 of the report:
Mosque participants were asked, whether they agree or disagree with the statement, "Shari'ah should be the law of the land in Muslim countries?"
Apply Islamic Law in Muslim Lands
Strongly Agree - 59%
Somewhat Agree - 22%
(i.e., collectively = 81%)
Somewhat Disagree - 8%
Strongly Disagree - 3%
Don't Know - 8%
Such data supposedly reflected the Detroit area Muslims views of "Islamic countries," only. But given the intrinsic, universally supremacist nature of Islam and the global umma (i.e., as stated in Koran 3:110, and the Orwellian-named Universal Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, "Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah"), once an area has a Muslim majority it is assumed by Muslims that Islamic Law should prevail-hence the "enclave" phenomenon, even here in the United States.
Publication of the "Sharia and Violence in American Mosques" study provides irrefragable evidence that the overwhelming majority of American mosques -- consistent with mainstream Islamic doctrine and practice since the founding of the Muslim creed -- are inculcating jihadism with the goal of implementing Sharia here in America.
Finally, Whittaker Chambers' autobiographical opus "Witness," which chronicles his apostasy from Communism, offers these searing insights that elucidate how American Muslims could rationalize such seditious behaviors -- consistent with Islamic doctrine -- and why this phenomenon remains largely incomprehensible to American non-Muslims, despite its existential threat to them.
What went on in the minds of those Americans...that made it possible to betray their country? Did none of them suffer a crisis of conscience? The question presupposes that whoever asks it has still failed to grasp that Communists mean exactly what they have been saying for a hundred years: they regard any government that is not Communist, including their own, merely as the political machine of a class whose power they have organized expressly to overthrow by all means, including violence. Therefore the problem of espionage never presents itself to them as problem of conscience, but a problem of operations...
The failure to understand that fact is part of the total failure of the West to grasp the nature of its enemy, what he wants, what he means to do and how he will go about doing it. It is part of the failure of the West to understand that it is at grips with an enemy having no moral viewpoint in common with itself, that two irreconcilable viewpoints and standards of judgment, two irreconcilable moralities, proceeding from two irreconcilable readings of man's fate and future are involved, and hence their conflict is irrepressible.
(See appendix on methodologies here)
The Muslims in this country are going to have a rude awakening as this is the first well armed culture they’ve ever tried to infiltrate. They are setting themselves up for extermination.
Since Islam isn’t a religion, but political ideology disguised as religion, and they should be treated like Marxists. I won’t shed tears if they end up getting themselves eradicated from the American landscape.
Erdogan is Obama’s go to guy for the Caliphate...Obama actually thinks he’s going to be the high priest of the US Caliphate.
The ONLY damn thing Mosques EVER were were barracks and arsenals for the maniacs who follow their pedophilic, slave-dealing, lying “prophet”.
not a summary. but here is a key section:
“Nearly a century later, the preponderance of contemporary mainstream Muslims from Morocco to Indonesia, apparently share with their murderous, jihad terror waging co-religionists from al-Qaeda the goal (if not necessarily supporting the gruesome means) of re-establishing an Islamic Caliphate.
Polling data released April 24, 2007 in a rigorously conducted face-to-face University of Maryland/ WorldPublicOpinion.org interview survey of 4384 Muslims conducted between December 9, 2006 and February 15, 2007-1000 Moroccans, 1000 Egyptians, 1243 Pakistanis, and 1141 Indonesians-reveal that 65.2% of those interviewed - almost 2/3, hardly a “fringe minority” - desired this outcome (i.e., “To unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic state or Caliphate”), including 49% of “moderate” Indonesian Muslims.
The internal validity of these data about the present longing for a Caliphate is strongly suggested by a concordant result: 65.5% of this Muslim sample approved the proposition “To require a strict [emphasis added] application of Sharia law in every Islamic country.” “
...i’m not saying it will happen. but, hundreds of MILLIONS of devout Muslims, WANT the Caliphate. Islam divides the entire world, into only 2 “countries”. Islam (house of peace), and the rest (house of war).
they may never get it. but, we will never have peace until they do.
A dense wall of text will not get read.
This may be important. Not one in 300 will bother with it in it's current format.
The Muslims in this country are going to have a rude awakening as this is the first well armed culture theyve ever tried to infiltrate. They are setting themselves up for extermination.
/// respectfully, we should not underestimate them, or the problem.
look at Dearbornistan, and Northern Virginia, and the new giant Masjid in TN, etc....
we can’t even stop the liberals from trampling the constitution.
Muslims are few now, yet we already have OUR Governments Freddie Mac giving Sharia-compliant mortgages!
i believe we can still win. but only if we can get people to wake up NOW. and even then, it won’t be easy.
...look at France, with 10 million Muslims in virtually independent colonies, supported by French taxes...
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Since Islam isnt a religion, but political ideology disguised as religion, and they should be treated like Marxists. I wont shed tears if they end up getting themselves eradicated from the American landscape.
/// i believe, and i think so do Bostom and Spencer, that Islam is BOTH. but, i agree with you. they should be treated as Marxists, who are seditious by definition. such a blatantly seditious organization, religion or not, should not be permitted in our great Nation.
How do you get that message out to folks that won't bother with chasing a bunch of links?
Use your list as an outline and craft a SHORT, assertive sentence for each one, with footnotes for interested folks to follow would be a good start. Then smash that into a couple of narrative paragraphs.
Thanks for the links.
Sorry, but I have done as much as I wish to do. If people are too f’n lazy to read, then I’m happy to let them live out their lives on their knees. I am not attempting to be anyone’s Savior.
For your review, consideration and commentary.
Then methodically drain the terrorist-support barracks throughout Europe and the U.S.
Clearly and concisely written.
Anyone with even a minimal level of intelligence would be able to comprehend the danger that moslems present.
Political correctness is preventing what you said from happening quicker.
The study's results provide clear-and ominous-affirmative answers to the a priori questions posed. Sharia-adherence was strongly associated with the presence of jihad-violence sanctioning materials, and the presence of jihad-violence sanctioning materials was in turn robustly associated advocacy of jihadism by mosque imams-religious leaders.
This study utterly condemns any idea of coexistence with the Salafist or Wahhabist doctrine and its congregations, and strongly indicates an irreducible necessity of forcible expulsion of the fundamentalist Moslems now living in the United States.
We've never had to do something like this before -- the closest we ever came to it was the internment of Japanese and Nisei Americans during World War II, which was ordered by FDR himself. But there it is. The language and the need could hardly be plainer.
Here's a hint:
"Don't hang around mosques while you're waiting for the Cliff Notes version."
Someone will popularize the study again in shorter paragraphs eventually. Just hope they get there before CAIR and the ACLU do -- and Holder Justice </oxymoron> -- to sponge these guys up for trying to tell the truth.
Can you really see yourself arming up and going around shooting people because they are muslims?
Can you see an American government ever letting you do it? or supplying you with additional means?
Since Islam isnt a religion, but political ideology disguised as religion, and they should be treated like Marxists.
And how are Marxists treated these days?
FWIW, I think the author states the problem clearly and powerfully, and if anything he errs on the side of too little alarm.
But I’ve seen these people up close, radical muslims in my neighborhood running a mosque, madrassa, islamic center and pedophile operation. I’ve heard their intense hatred of America.
We won’t have to go after them, they will come after us.
There will come a point where they think they are strong enough that they’ll do like they do in other countries - grab their AK’s and start trying to enforce Sharia. They’ll try this when they start getting close to 10% of the population. That’s when it will hit the fan.
Local and state govts will put those actions down hard. It’s the same response as would be if the Marxists tried a revolution. The Feds, what are they gonna do about it? Tell the country Sharia is law of the land and for everyone to stand down? The governors will flip them the bird and send out the national guard.
The Marxists may be tolerated now, but that’s because they work thru the system and disguise themselves. The Muslims won’t do that. Start going door-to-door in the local community with guns to implement their order, start trying to take territory and set up their own govts, and things will become a whole different matter.
One of the unintended consequences of liberalism is that nobody is going to tolerate submission to a religious state and have their morality dictated to them. Add to that nearly 250 years of religious freedom and the country, particularly the Bible Belt, won’t lay down to some type of forced Sharia.
My attitude is like alot of people. You screw with my family and you don’t have at least the pretense of an official govt body and you’re dead. All of you. And I’ll sleep just fine at night thank you. Living in the Midwest with roots in the South, I can tell you that most perfectly good Christian people have no issue of killing thugs like that dead in a very Old Testament type of way and have no remorse about it. Despite the Marxist infiltration, your average guy in the street still understands judeo-christian Justice.
Once it hits the fan, Muslims will bring down hellfire on themselves and the government will get in on it. Whether by attrition, incarceration, or depoortation, they’re numbers will shrink drastically, quickly.
Can you see an American government ever letting you do it? or supplying you with additional means?
good eye Ma'am...i would think that 'my' gubmint has not only doubled down on *hate* crimes, but has prolly also inserted line items for tax exempt furnishings for the goat humping crowd...
*ceremonial* machetes and homeland security subguns are most likely being gifted in the name of diversity...
So let's not wait for it. We have a remedy at hand; we'll just have to legalize it by common consensus, and then do what Franklin Roosevelt did. Round them all up, sort out the friendlies from the unfriendlies, and then forcibly exile, expatriate, repatriate, or otherwise positively remove the Salafists from our midst before they do what they so obviously and reliably have in mind.
To do anything less would be criminally negligent, improvident, and quite possibly liable to people whom these Moslems will hurt and kill if we do not.
As someone has pointed out previously, "the Constitution is not a suicide pact."
We must defend ourselves by using an American ostracon, which was what the Athenians called shunning into exile. These people who reject our freedom of conscience cannot be allowed to live any longer among us.
Throughout history societies have paid for liberalism in blood. Why should today be any different?
The Mexican version is already up and running, called "Gunwalker", courtesy of the First Moslem and his executive homies.
That's good, too.
Supern article - thanks.
Wow, i finally have found some kindred spirits here, that actually understand the very real danger of Islam.
lentulusgraccushus, i certainly agree with you! your points are inescapable. (and i pity the person who tried to disagree with you. i have the feeling you’d shred them...)
...the problem is, that that right now, i doubt you could get even the majority here on FR to agree to banning Islam, and deporting Muslims.
(or even get them to read the detailed plans of the MB, unless we give them “cliff notes”.
the Muslim Brotherhood is MORE dangerous than Al-Queda ever was. they are smarter, more patient, and understand us better. they incorporate the best of Sun Tzu, and they don’t care if it takes 100 years.
and, Mark Steyn’s book is very good. Even if we miraculously wake up, what will we do when all of Europe, Middle East, and much of the rest is already in the “House of Peace”?
sorry to sound a pessimist, but from a secular point of view, i think it is hopeless. i see no scenario, where we can reverse world trends fast enough. demographics is destiny. ...i would be HAPPY to be proved wrong !!!
(the only scenario i see with a chance, is if Israel gets invaded, and loses, and takes most of them out with them. Especially if they take out the Kaaba, maybe there is hope there. but already in Islam, is a way around even losing that.)
...i’d just like to say, it’s an honor to meet all of you, and to get to read your thoughts. at least i feel less alone now.
But Ive seen these people up close, radical muslims in my neighborhood running a mosque, madrassa, islamic center and pedophile operation. Ive heard their intense hatred of America.
/// i’ve seen them from the INSIDE. and even there, i saw almost zero hatred of anyone except Jews. it was more like Borg. they were true believers. they BELIEVE the world will become all Muslim. most were nice friendly people, with families. i don’t hate Muslims. i hate their evil, Satan-designed religion.
...but this adds to the problem. most people i try to warn, say “i know Muslims, and they are nice people.”
But when the time comes, those “nice” people, even if reluctantly, WILL kill. or at least give aid and support to those who will.
again, the problem is, HOW do you make ordinary Americans understand the danger, when you can’t even get most FReepers to worry about this as much as “Weiner’s Weiner”.
(speaking of which... WHY is NOBODY curious, about a muslima raised in Saudi Arabia, who MARRIES a Jew?
the Harry Potter Actress almost got killed for merely dating a Hindu. (she would have, but she escaped out the window). ...yet Huma doesn’t even get death threats?
It is HARAM for muslima to marry a kuffir. Even a “moderate” Imam will tell you that. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a muslima like Huma, to marry a non-believer. According to the Quran, and ahadith, she is automatically cast out, and should be killed.
the ONLY way, is if he secretly converted.
Which exactly fits the detailed Muslim Brotherhood plans to infiltrate government, in those documents capture in the raid. (and Huma’s father, was a Islamic scholar, with ties to the MB).
OUTSTANDING post! Thanks, neverdem.
HOORAY Andrew Bostom!
HOORAY Andrew Bostom!
HOORAY Andrew Bostom!
(Where’s the next Harry Truman?)
Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.
While it’s true that the political right has been successful in Turkey over the last decade, it’s really only been that way because the left as well as the secular sector (includes the military) has become at odds with the US which in its search for a new model in the middle east tried to paint Turkey in the colors of moderate islam rather than accept it as the secular republic that it is. Having burned her bridges with the Turkish left and the secular population She, the US, found new play partners: the religious fundementalists in Turkey. The US (aka Bush II) made their Jimmy Jones (Fethullah Gulen) enormously rich while aiding and abetting this wanted criminal on her soil.
This of course plays out well for those who would like to play you Americans like sock puppets to finally get at those coveted lands of greek, armenian, kurdish and cypriot dreams. Sucker beware!
You know something...I got this feeling this last weekend that proved to be very prudent on my part...
For some reason, even before I saw this thread or was pinged to it, I went and bought another can of 647gr. API, for some strange reason/feeling I had...
It felt almost like...like...a premonition...yeah...thats it...
I feel very BLOATED now...Thank you very much...
Yes, I’m feeling a little emaciated myself .... I’d like to pick up some more steel-core 7.62x54R, and I can always use some more .380 hardball, but right now I don’t have anyplace secure to put it. I need another fire-lined safe for docs, pix, and ammo cans.
A couple of talk-radio guys were discussing the fact yesterday that Huma has disappeared since Weiner was accused, and didn't do the traditional "stand by your man" gig at the press conference. In fact, they said they'd heard she'd cut off all contact with him. She has her own resources, too, they said. (Yeah -- Hillary.)
Another funny...Maybe not so funny..but hey...
I was talking to the Dad the other day and he kept hearing this BANG... BANG....BANG...Sounded and felt like someone was taking a pot shots at his house up there...I did hear the shots till he went outside (like a dummy) and started yelling...Even more dumb...
Anyway, it wasn’t anyone flipping out and taking shots at him, it was a barn/workshed about 50 yards from his house that was on fire...
It was my uncles workshed basically, and he haas a hard time taking care of mechanical things and small motors...
Well his main fix is to buy cans and cans of starting ether...Well those things run out, but not completely...The partially empty cans of that stuff are more dangerous than the full cans, to a point...
Well the barn is on fire...Thats all I got from Dad, and I panicked because I have a stash of “stuff” distributed out and around the compound up there, and I thought, well crap...There goes some of our “stuff”...
Good thing it wasn’t our barn, but my uncles nearby...
The local VFD did a great job in responding, and no one was hurt,nor did the fire spread to other structures or land up there...It is dryer than hades up there, and we cannot afford a mess like that at this particular juncture...
I told Dad next time to fire up the big tractor and use the front end loader to dump sand and dirt on the next one, maybe even bulldoze the structure as best you can as well...Thats almost our first line of defense for fires up there in the piney woods...
Just thought you would enjoy the latest exciting thing going on up there...
Starting ether...What a concept??? hehehe
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Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Invade American Mosques
January 28, 2006
In January of 2006, Freedom House’s Center for Religious Freedom released a new report exposing the dissemination of hate propaganda in America by the government of Saudi Arabia.
The 89-page report, “Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques,” is based on a year-long study of over two hundred original documents, all disseminated, published or otherwise generated by the government of Saudi Arabia and collected from more than a dozen mosques in the United States.
The propagation of hate ideology by Saudi Arabia is known to be worldwide, but its occurrence within the United States has received scant attention until now. Within worldwide Sunni Islam, followers of Saudi Arabia’s extremist Wahhabi ideology are a distinct minority, as is evident by the millions of Muslims who have chosen to make America their home and are upstanding, law-abiding citizens and neighbors.
The report concludes that the Saudi government propaganda examined reflects a “totalitarian ideology of hatred that can incite to violence,” and the fact that it is “being mainstreamed within our borders through the efforts of a foreign government, namely Saudi Arabia, demands our urgent attention.” The report finds: “Not only does the government of Saudi Arabia not have a right under the First Amendment or any other legal document to spread hate ideology within U.S. borders, it is committing a human rights violation by doing so.”
Such publications that “advocate an ideology of hatred have no place in a nation founded on religious freedom and toleration,” write James Woolsey, chairman of the board of Freedom House, in the foreword to the report.
Among the key findings of the report:
Various Saudi government publications gathered for this study, most of which are in Arabic, assert that it is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews and warn against imitating, befriending, or helping them in any way, or taking part in their festivities and celebrations;
The documents promote contempt for the United States because it is ruled by legislated civil law rather than by totalitarian Wahhabi-style Islamic law. They condemn democracy as un-Islamic;
The documents stress that when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers, they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines. Either they are there to acquire new knowledge and make money to be later employed in the jihad against the infidels, or they are there to proselytize the infidels until at least some convert to Islam. Any other reason for lingering among the unbelievers in their lands is illegitimate, and unless a Muslim leaves as quickly as possible, he or she is not a true Muslim and so too must be condemned. For example, a document in the collection for the “Immigrant Muslim” bears the words “Greetings from the Cultural Attache in Washington, D.C.” of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia, and is published by the government of Saudi Arabia. In an authoritative religious voice, it gives detailed instructions on how to “hate” the Christian and Jew: Never greet them first. Never congratulate the infidel on his holiday. Never imitate the infidel. Do not become a naturalized citizen of the United States. Do not wear a graduation gown because this imitates the infidel;
One insidious aspect of the Saudi propaganda examined is its aim to replace traditional and moderate interpretations of Islam with extremist Wahhabism, the officially-established religion of Saudi Arabia. In these documents, other Muslims, especially those who advocate tolerance, are condemned as infidels. The opening fatwa in one Saudi embassy-distributed book, published by the Saudi Air Force, responds to a question about a Muslim preacher in a European mosque who taught that it is not right to condemn Jews and Christians as infidels. The Saudi state cleric’s reply rebukes the Muslim cleric: “He who casts doubts about their infidelity leaves no doubt about his.” Since, under Saudi law, “apostates” from Islam can be sentenced to death, this is an implied death threat against the tolerant Muslim imam, as well as an incitement to vigilante violence;
Sufi and Shiite Muslims are viciously condemned;
For a Muslim who fails to uphold the Saudi Wahhabi sect’s sexual mores (i.e. through homosexual activity or heterosexual activity outside of marriage), the edicts published by the Saudi government’s Ministry of Islamic Affairs, and found in American mosques advise, “it would be lawful for Muslims to spill his blood and to take his money;”
Regarding those who convert out of Islam, the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs explicitly asserts, they “should be killed;”
Saudi textbooks and other publications in the collection, propagate a Nazi-like hatred for Jews, treat the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion as historical fact, and avow that the Muslim’s duty is to eliminate the state of Israel;
Regarding women, the Saudi publications instruct that they should be veiled, segregated from men and barred from certain employment and roles;
The report states: “While the government of Saudi Arabia claims to be updating’ or reforming its textbooks and study materials within the Kingdom, its publications propagating an ideology of hatred remain plentiful in some prominent American mosques and Islamic centers, and continue to be a principal resource available to students of Islam within the United States.”
The research, translation and principle analysis of the materials for the report were carried out by both Muslims and non-Muslims who wish to remain anonymous for reasons of security. Some 90 percent of the publications are in Arabic; two independent translators reviewed each Arabic document. This project was undertaken after many Muslims requested the Center’s help in exposing Saudi extremism in the hope of freeing their communities from ideological strangulation.
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As I have written many times to Pete King and other lawmakers, Islam is a seditious political system that should be banned in the U.S.