Skip to comments.Be On The Look Out ~ Big Government Ripoff?
Posted on 06/07/2011 4:13:01 AM PDT by beachn4fun
I'm posting my situation on a thread in order to alert others to be on the look out of ways the government, especially the local government, may be ripping us off.
I believe we are being targeted as fools to pay for our politicians shortfalls. I live in Maryland, a very liberal state which taxes everything, and am seeing signs they are desperate to raise money instead of ways to cut spending.
Here is a situation I found myself in recently:
I received a "final notice" for speed monitoring violation from the town of Forest Heights PD (Maryland). However, I NEVER received prior notices. And, this incident apparently happened a year ago. On top of that the letter says Maryland MVA will impose a $40 "flagging fee." I received the notice from MVA yesterday.
So, not only did I have to pay the $40 ticket, I had to pay a $25 late fee and now $30 to MVA to unflag my vehicle.
This rings, loud and clear to me, as a SCAM!
How am I to prove that I never received the prior notices they claimed they sent? I mean anyone can put any date in the computer saying a ticket was mailed. I know I was in that area in May this year but a year ago? I'm lucky I remembered I was around that spot this May since I seldom go in that area.
Another thing, they give me 7 calendar days to pay this ticket/fine. The letter was dated May 18 (Wed). I received it on the 20th (Fri). The payment had to be sent to Philadelphia, PA. WTF??? 7 days to get the notice, write the check (they wanted to add another $3.50 to pay by credit card online - another part of the scam) and get it to PA?
Additionally, on the 23rd I called the number on the citation notice and told them that 7 calendar days was not enough time to get the payment in and credited to avoid the flag. The gal told me she was putting a temp hold on the record to allow time for the payment to get to PA. (I also complained that their system had major flaws, which she did not deny).
I put the check in the PO on the 21st. It got posted in my account on the 27th. Ok, that was one day after the MVA flag date. Why did it take this long to make it to PA and get posted? What happened to the "hold" the gal in the Town of Forest Heights claimed she put in my record?
This is a glaring example of the flaw in, not only the whole system, but especially in the speed cameras. It is becoming apparent that the MVA is becoming a monster similar to IRS.
I am now looking into what avenue I need to take to file a complaint about this situation. I will also be posting on facebook and hope that some news source picks up the mantle and does some research into how prevalent this has become.
So, my fellow Americans, be vigilant. Let our politicians know that we are not fools and we will not "go quietly into the night."
Boo Hoo! You brought it all upon yourself by not paying the ticket when due. Now you whine about the additional costs because you chose not to pay the ticket on time.
I can see nothing wrong on the side of the police.
You didn’t read what he wrote.
Send it certified next time. They have to sign for it when it is received in the mail room. If it takes them 30 days to post it...it ain’t your fault and you have proof of receipt.
I learned long ago when dealing with any agencies via mail...reply certified.
I noticed on a trip last week that I went through a city with multiple traffic cameras and wondered at that time what were they measuring, traffic light violations or that plus speed? If I violated any parameter, would I be willing to contest it in a city hundreds of miles away? Are we now becoming the locality-determined potential victims of revenue-need. Thus we move from 'speed traps' to anything?
, I NEVER received prior notices-——
Missed that part?
Not getting prior notices and ‘chose not to pay’ isn’t the same thing...
Which was the whole point.
Yes, I know better. Don't know why I didn't this time.
Exactly. I'm seeing more and more of this. And, MVA is like IRS, you can't seem to win in the fight.
Just a suggesion (won’t help with this one but might if it happens again). Call your state delegate’s office and tell them your tale. They may be abe to direct you to the right place to correctly voice your protest. At least they will be able to see what is happening out here.
Awesome, thank you for the advice on state delegate. I want someone to know what’s going on. If it’s just the Town of Forest Heights, then I’d like them investigated.
Off on another incident, I purchased some items recently from one store, that sells from 2 of it’s stores under different names.
They cleared the checking account one day, all on one stores name, no problem there.
The next day the same charges, for the same amounts were ‘pending’ my checking account under the second store’s name.
And the balance of those charges taken out of my account, even though they were ‘pending’ charges.
I called the bank. Explained what was happening. First thing out of the CSR’s mouth was, well it was the same girl that coded both.
Then she explained that if they ‘posted’ to my account, and it was an error, I would have to file a ‘claim’ so to speak, an appeal. But that they MAY not ‘post’ to my account.
So I asked how can they not ‘post’ and yet you have taken the amount out of my account-TWICE already? And if they didn’t ‘post’, would they restore the balance amount. She said yes they would.
So, I was ready for the fight to begin.
The amount we are talking about is over a $100 and less than $500...
The next day, checked the account again.
Balance was restored, ‘pending’ charges (2nd time around for the same charges) were GONE.
I believe had I not caught this, before the deed was done, it would have went through the account twice ‘appearing’ as 2 different stores even though it was one technically. And I would have had to prove (appeal) the bank’s charges against my account.
I do not know and probably won’t know if the ‘girl who coded them both’ was fired..
Keep your eyes open...
My money is on the notion that the local jurisdiction has ALREADY gotten its revenue. I'll bet they have sold the rights to a private company (some politician's BIL) for money up-front while the company collects the down-stream revenue or part thereof. It would also explain why the author must send the MD fine payment to PA.
WOW! I’ll bet DH shows up at the donut shop every morning to lick the jackboots clean of his local PD. I wonder if DH stands for Dick Head? Nothing is as irritating as attacking a man after NOT reading his post! I’ve noticed as municipalities become desperate for money they’ll resort to most anything to avoid cutting back in even the smallest degree. Our local PD had set up a speed trap on a long cul-de-sac that led to a medical park. A few of the businesses on that street were a cancer treatment center, an oral surgery group and a pediatrician. I guess the city figured if you need and can afford the services of these businesses you could afford to pay your speeding ticket. This road is a new 4 lane road with a center turning lane and falls downhill most of the way. The speed limit was 25 and they had little old lady cancer patients lined up day after day issuing tickets. This went on for 6 months. The speed limit was raised to 35 and five oh has gone elsewhere. It’s now us against “them”. We have the money and “they” want it. I suspect it will only get worse.
Does your “industrial electronics manufacturing business” produce/maintain stoplight/speed cameras?
I’ll bet they have sold the rights to a private company (some politician’s BIL) for money up-front while the company collects the down-stream revenue or part thereof.
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Potential ‘monies’ aside, the basic (original) idea for that cruiser sitting alongside the road was to ‘slow people down’.
Once the message was and people know the cruiser would be sitting there, ‘the traffic slowed down’. Success!..
Now the unintended consequence of speed/red light cameras is when the citizenry starts paying attention and obeying the existing laws, the investment made by the camera company starts drying up and they are ‘stuck’ with equipment etc because the public is ‘following the rules’.
So now, in order to pay off their investors/stock holders etc, the system has to be ‘tweaked’.
Virtually the same ‘vicious cycle’ gets invoked, much like the govt ‘complaining’ about big oils profits when in reality the ‘government’ receives many times more, while, actually, not doing ANY of the work - except writing legislature to will itself more money.
Actually, you can if you can make your case. I once got a ticket in the mail (back in the 80s) with the same kinds of warnings you got. It was sent to my address and had my plate number on it--but the driver was listed as someone else. I only had to explain that I did not know that person, nor could that person have been driving my vehicle. The ticket was removed from my record.
I'll add that I wasn't dealing with the MVA, but with some lawyer's office in Crofton.
I know what you mean about the police. I live in a small city of about 40,000. If you drive across town, you’ll see at least 5 cop cars, no they don’t make me feel any safer. They are only looking for some reason to pull you over. We live in a police state.
It is ALWAYS and FOREMOST about $$$$$.
Public safety is merely the cover politicians use to get MORE MONEY!
” I only had to explain that I did not know that person, nor could that person have been driving my vehicle. The ticket was removed from my record. “
That ‘loophole’ has since been removed - nowadays, the legal fig leaf is that the ticket is issued to the vehicle, not the driver - and the burden is on the owner of the vehicle to ‘prove innocence’....
Yup. That’s the way they operate. Down here in Tidewater VA we are fighting our cities tooth and nail over speed and red light cameras. Just can’t believe people aren’t screaming about the ‘presumption of guilt’ thing. There are cameras EVERYWHERE - gawd only knows who is monitoring what.
” youll see at least 5 cop cars, no they dont make me feel any safer. “
If ‘The Policeman is My Friend’, why does daddy get that funny look when there’s one driving behind him??
What you’re observing is local government morphing into the local “mob”....Louis with the baseball bat has become Chiquita behind the computer screen at the DMV.
Without intimidation and extortion, all government would cease to exist.
Watch next time you shop.
We have a location that is on a land line still for a credit card terminal. We’ve had the phone company out many, many times to check the line.
The scenario that happens is the first time the card is swiped the terminal occasionally reports the communication failed. So the card needs to be submitted again and most times it goes through the second time fine. The problem though, is the request to debit the account was picked up twice at the other end. And there is no way to correct the “holds.” The first swipe never generated a receipt, number, or authorization on the store end.
The excess holds get dropped when the terminal is batched out at the close of business. And it is literally ‘dropped.’ Nothing we do at the store level causes it to fall off, other than batching out the terminal for end of day. Anything that our terminal is holding that doesn’t have an authorization for gets dumped out of the batch.
I had a similar instance at of all places a car dealership in the same city. Talk about a pain as the ‘large’ hold on the account carried over the weekend! By Monday when the system finally rolled over to the next business day the unverified hold was dropped.
The MVA is really bad. Recently a friend of mine received a speeding ticket from an officer who said he caught her on radar in NC while he was traveling opposite direction. How can the state prove the accuracy of this process?
Exactly. One must keep the eye on those statements as well as the credit card ones.
This is what I believe too.
Maybe. I'm not sure how, at the time, someone else's name became associated with my vehicle (maybe a couple of digits on the license plate were transposed?). It's not even possible that the person named was a former owner, since I had bought the vehicle in another state. But, even if the ticket is issued on the basis of a red light camera, there should be a photographic record that can be pulled to verify whether the vehicle in question is yours or not. If the picture shows a blue Ford pickup with license #TH29229 but you drive a white Toyota pickup with license #TH29929, I think you can get out of the ticket.
How in the blip? How can this happen?
” I think you can get out of the ticket. “
As for me, I ‘stop on yellow’, these days.... ;)
See, my point is the opposite - how can the driver prove their innocence? The state is going to believe the officer or other govt agency over the citizen unless we can prove the error or have a witness.
Guess what....You’re supposed to stop on yellow!!
I thought it was
This is nothing new. It may get to be more pervasive but governments have been doing this for ages. In 1995 I went to renew my driver’s license in New Hampshire when they told me that I couldn’t because my license was suspended in the state of Virginia. The last time I was in Virginia was December of 1984 when I left the Navy. NH said too bad, we have a reciprocity agreement so you have to straighten this out with the state of Virginia.
So I called the Virginia Dept. of Motor Vehicles. They looked up my name and said I owed them $100. I asked them what for and they said they had no record of that, only that I owed them $100. So they couldn’t tell me why they just wanted the money or else. Since it would have cost me more money to fight it I sent them $100.
So, fine paid I go back to renew my driver’s license. I was told I couldn’t because my license was suspended in the state of Virginia. I explained that I paid up and, naturally, they didn’t care. So I called the Virginia Dept. of Motor Vehicles again and they said I owed them $100. I told them I had paid the $100 already. They said that true, I had paid them $100 but now I had to pay them another $100 TO GET MY VIRGINIA DRIVER’S LICENSE REINSTATED. I told them that I hadn’t set foot in Virginia since 1984 and if I never set foot in it again I’d be a happy man. They didn’t care, just send $100 or else.
So I paid $100 for a ticket I never got and they never told me what it was for then paid another $100 for a license I would never use, just because they could do it. Extortion by government is as old as government itself.
JESUS! And, I thought mine was bad. This is another reason we need to network about this extortion, once and for all. They think we are fools who are just going to sit and take it.
I’m going to find out how to fix this problem. Just wish I had a calmer head when I get steamed.
I suspect that the person being ticketed had a vehicle license plate number very similar to mine, and someone made a typo.
Those things happen. I once found a deposit of $67,000 in my savings account. I was rich for about 3 months until I finally called the bank to ask about it. Someone had transposed digits in an account number... (It would have been nice if the bank had at least allowed me to keep the interest. But they even took that away.)
The pigs! LOL
Did youy receive a paper ticket last year? If so did you have a chance to confront your accuser?
If you didn’t receive a paper ticket than how do they prove you were actually there? I’m sure you may have loaned your car to any one of thousands of friends you have.
If it’s not written down, it never happened.
The next day the same charges, for the same amounts were pending my checking account under the second stores name. And the balance of those charges taken out of my account, even though they were pending charges.
Debit card? When you use a paper check thee sorts of things never happen. You have the paper check as proof of payment.
(I have a problem with giving someone permission to go into my account and take money with me signing for each instance.)
Most all the cities in Texas are taking the red light cameras down or disabling them. BUT, not Austin and Round Rock. They are both installing them and will be turned on in mid summer. Those are nothing but revenue streams for the cities.
There is one on highway 79 in Hutto and I often go through that intersection. I’ve seen several rear end collisions there. If I see the light turn yellow, I will stop, especially it there is a FARM TRUCK license plates on the vehicle in front of me.
A couple of weeks ago we were on a toll road to save a bunch of time. There was a pickup from Kansas going down the road, and I know he did not have a TX Tag on his vehicle. It can be paid via mail with an additional 10%, but I don’t know if Texas will send a bill to another state.
Take it easy on DH. He’s still recuperating from his recent lobotomy.
No paper ticket. This notice had a picture online of my infracture. Similar to the redlight cameras.
And, as I said, never got ANY ticket just the “final notice.”
Similar thing happened to me. I made a deposit and the clerk at the bank transposed numbers. She typed in my account number for the deposit amount. I called the bank the next day, and they said that the clerk had caught the mistake when she cleared her day out at the end of her shift. I bet she was a surprised as I was. I kept that deposit ticket for many years showing that I once had 3/4 mil in my bank account, if only for a few hours!
one happy note to this saga...
I called the Town of Forest Heights again and asked what happened to the “hold” they were suppose to put on my record to allow time to get payment, etc. Guy looked up record and said it showed payment and that the flag had been removed and therefore I did not have to pay the MVA fee.
I wrote all this down on the MVA letter - just in case.
And when they took them down in Houston, accidents went down 16% !!
That explains why I can get a red light camera ticket for being 0.00001 seconds too late crossing, yet, nothing is done about the welfare larvae hood rats that vandalize neighborhoods around here.
Yet violent crime seems to never go down...only crap that generates revenue, like enforcing an arbitrarily determined number that says how fast you can drive.