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Three Steps to Equipping A Gun Aversive Significant Other with a Home Defense Handgun
The Truth About Guns ^ | 7 June, 2011 | Robert Farago

Posted on 06/07/2011 4:58:44 AM PDT by marktwain

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Generally good advise. I like to start beginners with a long barreled .22 auto.
1 posted on 06/07/2011 4:58:47 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Good article! But my wife is the type that does not want a gun, until something actually happens to her, then she’ll change her mind.


2 posted on 06/07/2011 5:10:08 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: marktwain

The article made me laugh.. why? Because when my husband and I married, I brought my Daddy’s Mosin, two .38’s and a shotgun to the home. I guess it was part of my “dowry”. Granted, I didn’t have to talk him into it and I didn’t have to worry about a holster matching his outfit.


3 posted on 06/07/2011 5:10:14 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: caver

Have you taken her to the range? Personally, I find that very stress reducing. May I suggest this: find every article you can about home invasions, burglaries where the bad guy finds the woman alone, etc... I think some people have the false impression that something bad won’t happen to them. She is assuming that the first “something actually happens to her”.. well, that she will go unscathed.


4 posted on 06/07/2011 5:13:46 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: marktwain
Anytime a woman asks me what kind of gun they should buy, I usually tell them that the .50 caliber Desert Eagle will send most perps running without having to fire a shot. And in those rare situations where they might have to fire, no one will be around to see you picking yourself up off the ground from the recoil.
5 posted on 06/07/2011 5:14:04 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: momtothree

Yes, but she won’t even shoot anything, even a .22 rifle or handgun. He father and brothers are all gun people but she won’t shoot anything. I don’t know what to do.


6 posted on 06/07/2011 5:18:41 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Where do we even start with this sexist drivel?


7 posted on 06/07/2011 5:22:25 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: marktwain
Before any of that comes, "Will she use a gun to stop a threat, knowing that it may take a life"?

If the answer to that is "no" or "maybe", stop now.

A gun in that situation will be very dangerous.

8 posted on 06/07/2011 5:26:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: marktwain

I personally wouldn’t think of marrying a woman who has absolutely no interest in guns. If they are open minded, different story.


9 posted on 06/07/2011 5:26:32 AM PDT by kingpins10
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“I personally wouldn’t think of marrying a woman who has absolutely no interest in guns.”

I agree. She would be worthless during a zombie invasion. For a real woman I would recommend the Rhino .357 with the 4” barrel and laser sights. Minimal felt recoil and puts big holes in bad guys.


10 posted on 06/07/2011 5:30:59 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

That, I am not ashamed to say, is sheer idiocy.

You’ve convinced them to not even try.
You’ve driven the notion of self-defense from their minds.
You’ve made them victims because the one option provided is far beyond their capacity, and they’re smart enough to see at least that.

Assuming she does buy such a .50AE cannon, assuming she can pick the #@%^ thing up, assuming she can get her hands around the massive grip and pull the heavy trigger, she now has a gushing gaping gash on her face where the thing leaped from her grip and smashed her forehead, she can’t hear a #@%^ thing because the blast is deafening indoors without serious hearing protection, and now horrible things are being done to her because she missed ‘cuz she couldn’t aim that massive thing because it’s too heavy, too powerful, and she never practiced with it for those reasons - and now her assailant knows she is unarmed, defenseless, debilitated, and has REALLY P!$$#ED HIM OFF.

Just because you think a quarter-inch difference in diameter is so much scarier than a pathetic little .25 caliber.


11 posted on 06/07/2011 5:31:36 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: kingpins10

Allegedly open minds may close when goals are achieved.

“Interest” may not be necessary, but recognition of ownership and practice IS important. Trust me.


12 posted on 06/07/2011 5:33:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: basil

Exactly I hsve a gun and my husband doesn’t. What holster do you think would be appropriate for him?


13 posted on 06/07/2011 5:33:49 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: caver

I am NOT suggesting this but simply relaying a story. My brother’s wife said in no uncertain terms that a gun of any sort would never be allowed in their home. My brother went along with this for years but there were some issues involving his safety from work... so he secretly borrowed mine for a year. I know, I know... one shouldn’t involve themselves in other’s marriages and I should have respected the wishes of my SIL but this situation made me decide to ignore that for the safety of my brother and three nephews. During that year, my brother purchased his own firearm. I am wondering... since she grew up in a family with guns, did she experience fear from her Dad? It almost sounds to me like there may be an incident involving fear of the person with a gun rather than the gun itself.


14 posted on 06/07/2011 5:34:19 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: caver

Go to your nearset NRAmember club. Take basic pistol and personal protection courses and in a very short while any spouse will become very skilled, informed and confident.


15 posted on 06/07/2011 5:36:51 AM PDT by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: marktwain

I was looking at the Ruger LCP .380 for my (in 5 days) wife. She has been to the range a few times. She just needs more practice b/c her aim is not that good. A .380 could solve that (correct??). Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated. BTW she shot my Ruger SR9 at the range.


16 posted on 06/07/2011 5:37:28 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: momtothree

No, she has no fear of her Dad or guns. I have quite a few around the house in various places. They are loded and ready to go and I carry, so that is not an issue.


17 posted on 06/07/2011 5:37:28 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: marktwain
I teach self defense classes from time to time. I have seen many women show up with the gun their SO thinks they should have. Older women in particular cannot handle a 1911 or a large frame Smith. I have sent many home with some version of a SA 380. The newer ammo is very effective and a 380 at close range is as good as a 9. I try to get them to the range once a month for a year and help them shoot more than 200 rounds a session. Many actually enjoy it once the SO is out of the picture. BTW I let a friend teach Mrs. Mad both shotgun and handgun - worked out well.
18 posted on 06/07/2011 5:37:52 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me, and you'll be armed. " Mal Reynolds)
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To: marktwain

Thank goodness my husband was smarter than any of these suggestions when he started teaching me about guns. Granted I wasn’t opposed to guns outright but I wasn’t comfortable around them.

He taught me to shoot with small calibers like .22. He helped me find a first gun that I liked - it wasn’t remotely a “defense” gun. And it wasn’t something he liked at all so it wasn’t a case of “here’s your gun honey you don’t like it? oh well I’ll take it”.

Now we swap gun purchases. He got the last one so that means I should be up again soon...


19 posted on 06/07/2011 5:37:57 AM PDT by JenB
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To: caver

I heard an idea recently on the survival podcast - airsoft.

If this is your wife, have some “together play time” shooting plastic pellets at a sticky target in your house/basement. It goes “ping splat”, and you can bet some silly things on the outcomes of your friendly competition.

That’ll get her hooked, and you can teach safety at the same time.


20 posted on 06/07/2011 5:38:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: momtothree

I’ll bet her house is full of other lethal implements, especially that harbinger of death, dihydrogen monoxide.


21 posted on 06/07/2011 5:43:26 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe ( "Failure to speak out against evil is evil itself" - Dietrich Bonhoeffer)
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To: marktwain

My skinny, pre-teen daughter’s first shots were from a 9mm XD and a P226. She wasn’t scared of the recoil after the first shot,and was surprized that it wasn’t worse.


22 posted on 06/07/2011 5:47:31 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: caver

“... I have quite a few around the house in various places”

Well, at this point I simply see it like one person liking eggplant and the other hating it. Personally, (whether genetic or societal) men tend to think more about safety for the family than women in a lot of cases. It is admirable in my opinion. She may not LIKE the guns but I bet she will be happy you have them (God forbid) if you ever truly needed one to protect her and your family.


23 posted on 06/07/2011 5:49:19 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: King Moonracer

My daughters like shooting our XD 40’s.


24 posted on 06/07/2011 5:49:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: MikeSteelBe

“I’ll bet her house is full of other lethal implements...”

Sadly, many people (men and women) are just frightened of guns. I can only assume that this fear is based mostly on ignorance. They assume it will just go “off” like it has a mind of its own. When I was a young 21, I was taught to shoot. To be honest, the first time I held a .38, I was a bit frightened. With practice, comes a comfort level. Once that “fear” is gone, it is gone.


25 posted on 06/07/2011 5:56:12 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: marktwain

Answer: You don’t use a handgun for home defense. You use a shotgun. 20 gauge is good for most women.


26 posted on 06/07/2011 6:00:47 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: momtothree
Sadly, many people (men and women) are just frightened of guns. I can only assume that this fear is based mostly on ignorance. They assume it will just go “off” like it has a mind of its own. When I was a young 21, I was taught to shoot. To be honest, the first time I held a .38, I was a bit frightened. With practice, comes a comfort level. Once that “fear” is gone, it is gone.

Great point. I see that so much with some of my friends and such. I can understand it more with having small kids in the house (of course, thats a matter of discipline and securing your guns. But I do understand that fear of a parent), but I do not understand a couple not having a gun in the house. Like you said, they don't go off by themselves.

27 posted on 06/07/2011 6:00:55 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: marktwain

Answer: You don’t use a handgun for home defense. You use a shotgun. 20 gauge is good for most women.


28 posted on 06/07/2011 6:00:57 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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"The stainless steel .38 caliber Smith & Wesson 642 and Ruger SP101 are the entry level revolvers to beat."

Although it coulda been written better here's the nugget of truth in this article. The 642 has a lightweight alloy frame, and the SP101, which is made of stainless steel, is "usually" chambered for .357 magnum. According to the website Ruger still makes some of them in .38 special, as they all were back when they were first introduced, though I don't really know why.

29 posted on 06/07/2011 6:06:15 AM PDT by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: justice14

The LCP is pretty small with a big kick for someone just starting to shoot. I’d stick with the 9mm for a while before you try to move her to a small gun. Rent an LCP before you buy it. The LCP won’t improve her aim - too much kick and a long trigger pull.

My daughter has an LCP and doesn’t really like it - it hurts her hand to shoot it much.

BTW, congratulations on your upcoming wedding.


30 posted on 06/07/2011 6:06:39 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: momtothree
Well, at this point I simply see it like one person liking eggplant and the other hating it. Personally, (whether genetic or societal) men tend to think more about safety for the family than women in a lot of cases. It is admirable in my opinion. She may not LIKE the guns but I bet she will be happy you have them (God forbid) if you ever truly needed one to protect her and your family.

This was always my point with people that don't want to have a gun in the house. If something were to happen and I didn't have the means to protect my family, I would never forgive myself.

31 posted on 06/07/2011 6:07:02 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: justice14

I have especially noticed it with people who weren’t brought up with guns. They see them on television or on the police/military and equate it directly with violence. (I equate it with protection but that is me). If a person is educated and pushed past this fear then it is gone. What is sort of funny is after I learned to shoot, I tried other things that seemed a bit frightening to me. For example, I used a small chain saw. To be honest, knowing how to properly use a gun seemed to make me less fearful of other things. I know that sounds crazy but it is true.


32 posted on 06/07/2011 6:07:06 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Mom MD

A pink one?-—Just kidding, LOL!

Get him to the range, and chances are he will love shooting and will soon want a gun of his own.

If not—well, you’ll just have to be his protector, I guess. I had to work at getting my husband “hooked” on guns, and while he’s still not wildly enthusiastic, he has learned to use it and does take it with him when he’s out on our rural property.


33 posted on 06/07/2011 6:09:26 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: marktwain
I get nervous when I see my wife with a sharp knife trying to split a cantaloupe.

She never quite got the message about keeping it pointed down and away and keeping your fingers clear. Maybe she just likes me to do all the cooking (hey, wait a minute...).

In any case, I have unsuccessfully tried to get her to come to the range with me and find a gun she might be comfortable carrying. I figure if I can get her to memorize, practice and obey the Golden Rules of gun safety, I might just start trusting her with the kitchen cutlery.

34 posted on 06/07/2011 6:09:55 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

Good point about the kick. Also, I did not know the trigger pull for the LCP was long.

Thanks for the congrats as well.


35 posted on 06/07/2011 6:12:11 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: justice14

“I would never forgive myself”.

I understand completely. A family has to know how to protect themselves. I’m not talking simply about living in urban areas with bad guys either. I’ve known people who live in the boondocks but know a rabid animal could come their way. How I see it is this: there are people who “assume” that they pay taxes for other people to protect them (i.e. the police) and people who assume they have the ultimate responsibility to protect themselves. My husband travels quite a bit and works midnights so I am responsible for my three babies. It isn’t an “Annie Oakley” thing but a Mom thing. Between my guns, my teen son knowing how to shoot and the 110 pound GSD... I have it covered. To be honest, I sleep rather well at night knowing that.


36 posted on 06/07/2011 6:13:03 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

I would almost say that some of the “I’m scared of guns in my home” types mistake lack of fear (of the gun) as having a cavalier attitude towards guns. It’s important to get comfortable with weapons and still maintain the respect of them as well. The “I’m scared of guns in my home” crowd doesn’t understand this.


37 posted on 06/07/2011 6:15:46 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: justice14

Oh, I agree! Believe me, I’ve heard all the nonsense from people that I know who don’t want a picture of a gun in there house besides a “real” one. I’ve heard it is a “phallic” symbol for people lacking, a female macho device... you name it. It is simple ignorance. Guns are like anything else... it takes practice and safety knowledge. Plain and simple. I actually know one man who was dead set against guns. He had anti gun bumper stickers on his car, belonged to some organization to ban guns... the whole 9 yards. Funny thing happened. Someone tried to break into his house while he was at home. He called 911 but they don’t magically appear, do they? Needless to say, he was scared out of his wits. Within a short period of time, he purchased a gun and took a gun safety training session. Funny how life experience can change one?


38 posted on 06/07/2011 6:23:48 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

“my Daddy’s Mosin”

Cool. What model Mosin? 91/30,carbine? Hex receiver?

(I like mosins!)


39 posted on 06/07/2011 6:24:37 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: justice14

Smaller guns are more difficult to shoot.


40 posted on 06/07/2011 6:25:47 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: dynachrome

41 posted on 06/07/2011 6:28:10 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: momtothree

Yeah. You hate to see it come to the point were someone has to experience a break in (or worse), but some people just don’t get it.


42 posted on 06/07/2011 6:29:30 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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43 posted on 06/07/2011 6:30:41 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: justice14

I have a Bersa 380 and love it. And they are reasonable too. Shoots well and a great pocket weapon.


44 posted on 06/07/2011 6:32:47 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: marktwain
On the positive side, small guns appeal to non-gun-o-centric women. They are not as intimidating as hand cannons (which are easier to shoot, counter-intuitively enough).

VERY counterintuitive. I was astonished to learn just how much more comfortable the "giant" handguns ( a Colt 45, a 357 magnum) were to fire, than the 38 revolver, which hurt my hand so much I don't think I'll ever practice with it again, much less CC it.

They’re cute! Small guns even come in girl power pink! (Sexist perhaps, but true.)

I want a mother of pearl handled derringer. Probably pretty worthless for protection, but I like the history behind them-the cachet-and they're so pretty!

Most importantly, smaller lighter guns are easier to carry. The general rule of thumb: choose the heaviest version of the smallest gun with the largest caliber that she can comfortably shoot and carry.

I carry the Ruger LCP. I have a CCW purse with the concealing compartment, and I intend to get holsters so I can carry when the purse clashes with my outfit. It's red, so it doesn't 'go' with everything and yes, being color coordinated IS important!

45 posted on 06/07/2011 6:33:15 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: JoeProBono

Some day I’ll get to shoot my m44 at night!

(just picked up a 91/59 carbine. shoots very well for a cut down 1942 izzy.)


46 posted on 06/07/2011 6:36:10 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: JoeProBono

Now that is just a beautiful picture! Thank you Joe! I want to show it to my 11 year old daughter. I am debating a good age to send a child (with no interest) in guns to learn how to use one. She is a girly-girl but I think every child should learn how to properly use a gun (male or female). I guess the debate is at what age?


47 posted on 06/07/2011 6:39:19 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: ctdonath2; Dixie Yooper

>> That, I am not ashamed to say, is sheer idiocy.

(psst... I think D. Y. was just making a funny...)


48 posted on 06/07/2011 6:40:55 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: momtothree
"My 8 year old son shoots Mosin Nagant 7.62x54r for 1st time"

49 posted on 06/07/2011 6:56:52 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: 70th Division

Yeah I have seen those as well. And I’ve always heard good things about them.


50 posted on 06/07/2011 6:58:22 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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