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Gerrymander Endangers Nearly All House GOPers in Illinois
Human Events via Adam Kinzinger for Congress ^ | 6/5/2011 | John Gizzi

Posted on 06/07/2011 9:27:41 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat

"The plan that the legislature passed in Springfield and that the governor will likely sign in a few days puts just about all of us in political danger," freshman Rep. Adam Kinzinger told HUMAN EVENTS last week, the "us" being himself and the eight other Republican U.S. representatives from Illinois.

In what could fairly be labeled the most blatant case of political gerrymandering this year, the Democratic-controlled house and senate in Illinois recently unveiled a redistricting plan for the Prairie State's 17 congressional districts...
...The most dramatic change to come out of the new Democratic plan is to put Representatives Joe Walsh and Randy Hultgren—both freshman Republicans and both stalwart conservatives—into the new 14th District. The new district roughly comprises one-third of the territory from the present districts of Walsh and Hultgren, and about one-third from neither's district.

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According to several published reports, Kinzinger would move into the new 16th District (Rockford) now held by 10-term Republican Rep. Don Manzullo.

(Excerpt) Read more at electadam.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: electionushouse; gerrymander; kinzinger; redistricting
They are certainly working to get rid of not only as many Republican Congressmen as possible, but especially trying to get rid of some of our best new, younger rising stars, like Adam Kinzinger. Hopefully if they do put him up against Manzullo, Manzullo would decide to step down after being there for 2 decades to make way for the next generation, but who knows... The Dems have sure set this up good - they've got it set up to pick up a lot of seats, and have the Republicans forced to fight against themselves.
1 posted on 06/07/2011 9:27:48 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

What else is new?


2 posted on 06/07/2011 9:29:50 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Infidel Inside)
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To: Republican Wildcat

One side knows how to play hardball. Unfortunately, it is not our side.


3 posted on 06/07/2011 9:30:39 PM PDT by ilgipper ( political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: Republican Wildcat

It worked in California; “Reagan Country” became “the Left Coast.”


4 posted on 06/07/2011 9:31:43 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: ilgipper

as I understand it, the pubs control most states now along with the state houses......DO THE SAME DANG THING!


5 posted on 06/07/2011 9:32:38 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Republican Wildcat
Apropos, wasn't there rock band once named Gerry and the Manders?


6 posted on 06/07/2011 9:36:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Manzullo has been a lackluster but consistently conservative back-bencher, and I think he will do the right thing. But there is a perfect idiot Democrat who would go for his seat.


7 posted on 06/07/2011 9:37:09 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: ilgipper

yes. Dems play better. They are ruthless. Gop is just playing nice.


8 posted on 06/07/2011 9:37:28 PM PDT by heiss
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To: ilgipper

Our side simply bends over and grits their teeth.


9 posted on 06/07/2011 9:40:59 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Republican Wildcat

Oh, we can definitely play that game too.


10 posted on 06/07/2011 9:43:20 PM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

This is what is happening to all the Rats in the new Red States. Let the Rats have IL. I didn’t even know the state still had a GOP. Everyone is leaving anyway. Hence the need for all the Gerrymandering.


11 posted on 06/07/2011 9:47:40 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
In what could fairly be labeled the most blatant case of political gerrymandering this year, the Democratic-controlled house and senate in Illinois recently unveiled a redistricting plan for the Prairie State's 17 congressional districts...


12 posted on 06/07/2011 9:56:13 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: Lazlo in PA

You are hiding in the closet.


13 posted on 06/07/2011 9:57:43 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Lazlo in PA
That's the most important part ~ Republicans are smarter than Democrats and have been fleeing from Illinois for years.

This will simply accelerate the process. Eventually there'll be no one but Democrats there, with no tax resources.

14 posted on 06/07/2011 9:58:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ilgipper
My brother once said the GOP looks at politics as a chess match, played at the gentleman's debating society hall, while the 'Rats look at politics as guerrilla war. Truer words were never spoken. The Pubbies stand smug and sanctimonious on their moral high ground, while the 'Rats are tunneling it out from underneath.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

15 posted on 06/07/2011 9:58:41 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: Brandonmark

Cook County once arranged to ‘vote’ 20,000 dead Puerto Rican born persons who were buried in Gary Indiana cemeteries.


16 posted on 06/07/2011 10:00:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dr_lew
You are hiding in the closet.

Are you calling me a Fag?


17 posted on 06/07/2011 10:05:34 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

they did that in California, that is how they got a stronghold, it is a proven winner for them, and the GOP doesnt’ contest it


18 posted on 06/07/2011 10:10:24 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Republican Wildcat

What shocks me is that Republicans hold almost half of the seats in a whacked out leftist state like Illinois.


19 posted on 06/07/2011 10:16:23 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Not that closet. The other closet.


20 posted on 06/07/2011 10:19:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: americanophile
Gerrymandering and motor-voter have killed any hope of California rising again. More's the pity.
21 posted on 06/07/2011 10:22:24 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: dr_lew
Oh. I didn't know that anyone knew about the other closet. You mean the one where I keep this...


22 posted on 06/07/2011 10:31:04 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: muawiyah

Don’t be surprised if every surrounding state goes bright red in 2012: Indiana, Missouri, Iowa and yes, even Wisconsin...

...thanks in part to former Illinois residents.


23 posted on 06/07/2011 10:33:43 PM PDT by proudpapa
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To: muawiyah

Don’t be surprised if every surrounding state goes bright red in 2012: Indiana, Missouri, Iowa and yes, even Wisconsin...

...thanks in part to former Illinois residents.


24 posted on 06/07/2011 10:33:51 PM PDT by proudpapa
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To: Republican Wildcat

Gerrymanders don’t always turn out the way the mapmakers think that it will.


25 posted on 06/07/2011 11:05:32 PM PDT by Jim 726
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To: Brandonmark

It’s amazing to me how everyone in those cemeteries is a registered Democrat.


26 posted on 06/07/2011 11:23:12 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: wku man

wku man wrote: “My brother once said the GOP looks at politics as a chess match, played at the gentleman’s debating society hall, while the ‘Rats look at politics as guerrilla war. Truer words were never spoken. The Pubbies stand smug and sanctimonious on their moral high ground, while the ‘Rats are tunneling it out from underneath.”

There’s a lot of truth to that statement.

The flip side of it is that conservative Republicans (and those few conservative Democrats who are left, mostly in the rural South) generally understand that we’re living in a country that is supposed to be run by laws and not by men. Unlike the 1960s radicals and their “community organizing” heirs who look to Saul Alinsky and his “Rules for Radicals” for guidance, we realize that we’re not revolutionaries and we need to follow the rules.

We should be as aggressive as possible, within the framework of the Constitution and the settled laws of the land. Yes, that includes using Republican majorities, where they exist, to “gerrymander” Democrats out of their seats. That’s a legitimate tactic of redistricting going back to the 1800s, and it’s a **WHOLE** lot better than the preceding British system we rejected, which for a very long time kept parliamentary districts with very little relationship to actual population changes. There is a reason why our Constitution calls for a census every ten years.

However, even if our opponents treat politics as a street brawl with no rules, we cannot operate that way as conservatives who are supposed to respect the laws and the institutions of government.


27 posted on 06/08/2011 4:17:49 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: proudpapa

“Don’t be surprised if every surrounding state goes bright red in 2012: Indiana, Missouri, Iowa and yes, even Wisconsin...”
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I think that is what is happening. I live in Indiana. The Mid-West has some great examples in Michigan and now Illinois of anti-business, high tax, high regulation and intrusive government. Why would anyone want what has happened in Michigan to be in there state?? Why would anyone want to have the corruption found in Chicago?? Indiana has now placed billboards near the Illinois state line, encouraging businesses and citizens to move to the hoosier state.


28 posted on 06/08/2011 4:51:18 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: Republican Wildcat

My wife’s family lives in relatively conservative Kankakee County. If this gerrymander goes through, their new rep is going to be Jesse Jackson Jr.

Talk about hell on earth.


29 posted on 06/08/2011 5:02:05 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Here's what fries my ___ over what the RATS have done with that *new* Congressional map I'm stuck with (for now).

It was Chicago that lost +/-200,000 residents. People fled Chicago to other states or moved to RED Suburbs and/or Counties. As such, it should be Chicago that looses two Congressional Seats. Not any other County or District in IL. So if I was part of the IL GOP leadership I'd have filed a Federal Lawsuit against the IL Democratic Party (aka: Mike Madigan) the moment this new map was made public.

As it is per this new map, I now have NO Rep in the US Congress! So if this map doesn't violate my Constitutional rights, or the Voting Act of 1965, I'll eat my Stetson -- without salt.

This map is reverse Jim Crow and 'Disenfranchisement' x 106.

30 posted on 06/08/2011 5:54:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: ScottinVA

On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:02:05 AM, ScottinVA wrote: “My wife’s family lives in relatively conservative Kankakee County. If this gerrymander goes through, their new rep is going to be Jesse Jackson Jr. Talk about hell on earth.”

I know very little about this county except for some of the people in Momence Christian Reformed Church or who have left for the URC or OPC. From what I do know, Kankakee County is a conservative and mostly white area, so I realize up front that maybe what I’m suggesting wouldn’t work.

One of the problems with gerrymandering for the gerrymanderers is that it puts people into districts which have a majority of one party, but not overwhelmingly so. Rather than just accepting “hell on earth” for ten years, it it possible that you could find a solid conservative black businessman who is angry about government interference in his business, or even better yet, an inner-city black pastor who is angry about lousy inner-city schools and the huge numbers of black babies being aborted by white doctors?

Maybe you can’t defeat Congressman Jackson, but that doesn’t mean you can’t give Rep. Jackson a bit of what he’d like to dish out to you. Perhaps you can find some common cause with inner-city black conservatives who now have very few people listening to them in a congressional district that’s mostly inner-city Chicago, but who, with help from rural and suburban conservatives, might be able to mount a serious challenge to Congressman Jackson or at least do enough organizational work to force Jackson to pay attention to his constituents and not take them for granted.

It is a liberal lie that minorities have to vote Democrat. Inner-city churches may not look or feel like a rural conservative church, but in many cases their pastors are sincere Bible-believing Christians who might be willing to switch parties or at least vote for some Republicans based on the issues of abortion, homosexuality and bad inner-city schools. When it comes to inner-city black-owned businesses, their owners have many of the same concerns as any other businessman and except for those who have minority set-aside contracts, there’s no rational reason they should still be Democrats.

When you get dealt a lemon by the other side, sometimes making lemonade works — and sometimes squirting the lemon juice in the other guy’s eye works even better.

Even when it doesn’t “work” in the sense of defeating the other side, keeping him pinned down and focusing on local issues and constituent service is not a bad thing, and it may keep him from focusing on national political issues or being viewed as a national leader. People who have to work hard to get re-elected can’t necessarily vote the way they’d like or the way their party would like them to vote, and that in the long run can be quite damaging to their political futures in the Democratic Party if they’re not in a safe district.


31 posted on 06/08/2011 6:10:41 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: proudpapa

That is a good bet. I left Illinois in December for Missouri.

It was very difficult to find a large moving truck available in Illinois, many had been rented and taken out of state.


32 posted on 06/08/2011 7:02:29 AM PDT by KEVLAR
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To: fwdude

“What shocks me is that Republicans hold almost half of the seats in a whacked out leftist state like Illinois.”

Republicans 11 - Democrats 8. With most of the 11 vulnerable now, this is going to hurt. It’s going to be hard to make this up in other states.


33 posted on 06/08/2011 7:20:40 AM PDT by nbenyo
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To: Republican Wildcat

Why all the hand-wringing here? This is a GREAT outcome for the state of Illinois.

It is about to become Chicago-ized, writ large.

I can’t think of a better way to crash and trash the whole state than to put the Rats in charge from stem to stern.

Give the Dem voters there what they have voted for.


34 posted on 06/08/2011 7:30:30 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: cherry
as I understand it, the pubs control most states now along with the state houses......DO THE SAME DANG THING!

The TX (R) delegation did that. They split Travis county into five districts instead of three. Lord dog nuts is ticked off. His base is in central Austin, and the new districts extend into the more conservative rural areas.

35 posted on 06/08/2011 8:12:58 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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To: cherry

I agree.
Of course, the dodo-heads here in Florida let one of those idiotic redistricting amendments pass last year that limits the ability to gerrymander. We had literally the best year ever in Republican results, but this boneheaded amendment passed. There should have been a clear message sent on the negatives of this amendment, but even a lot of Republicans voted for it...out of ‘fairness’. Oh, well.


36 posted on 06/08/2011 8:56:28 AM PDT by ilgipper ( political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: muawiyah
This will simply accelerate the process. Eventually there'll be no one but Democrats there, with no tax resources.

Wonder if Rahm Emanuel will parade his nuclear missiles on May Day, and get more "resources" by shaking down Wisconsin and Iowa with nuclear blackmail?

37 posted on 06/08/2011 10:15:50 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

He wouldn’t dare. He knows that we’d begin tapping Eastern Kentucky for some more hillbillies to move to Chicago and he’d wish he’d never left Washington DC.


38 posted on 06/08/2011 10:19:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Republican Wildcat
The Dems have sure set this up good - they've got it set up to pick up a lot of seats, and have the Republicans forced to fight against themselves.

Check this out:

In Texas, the big Tea Party wave gave the GOP something like 2/3's of the Texas house of representatives. OK? That's a 2:1 majority.

But what has happened is that the Dems have formed a working alliance with a clutch of suburban RiNO's and the RiNO speaker of the house (he's a Jewish "moderate" Republican from the suburbs of Dallas), to vote out a reapportionment map that pits the eight most conservative Republican representatives against one another.

The RiNO speaker and his buds are working with the 'Rats to scrag conservative Republicans. It's a massacre, and the new map guarantees that there will never be as many Republican state representatives again. Eventually, uncontrolled Mexican immigration will flip the whole State of Texas Democratic and drive the GOP from statewide office.

Here you have a pluperfect example of the RiNO's doing whatever it takes to fight off challenges from conservatives, even though they are guaranteeing their own expungement from state office thereby.

39 posted on 06/08/2011 10:29:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: nbenyo
The Republicans can write off one of those seats to population loss. Illinois lost a Congresscritter. Ohio lost two. Michigan lost one. Wisconsin lost one.

High taxes; Democrat corruption; out of control growth of state government ~ all of these things have contributed to making much of the Midwest less than hospitable to people.

Notice that the more Conservative states ~ Kentucky and Indiana ~ held their own in this census.

One does hope the Democrats create utterly Gerrymandered districts that hook Republican areas downstate to Democrat dominated areas in Cook County.

Although people imagine that gives the Democrats an automatic victory, the fact is many of those Chicago people ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE in the next few elections. 40% unemployment is teaching them a brutal lesson about tieing race to political power.

40 posted on 06/08/2011 10:32:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: darrellmaurina
"However, even if our opponents treat politics as a street brawl with no rules, we cannot operate that way as conservatives who are supposed to respect the laws and the institutions of government."

So we stand by and watch while they destroy our nation? Sorry...at some point, all bets are off. If you tell your enemy what line you won't cross, that's where he'll go.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

41 posted on 06/08/2011 1:53:27 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: Republican Wildcat

What can we say: people in IL always make us ill.


42 posted on 06/08/2011 4:42:14 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: lentulusgracchus

Speaker Straus is from San Antonio. He used to chauffeur around Senator John G. Tower after Tower left the conservative fold.


43 posted on 06/08/2011 4:44:42 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: darrellmaurina
in many cases their pastors are sincere Bible-believing Christians who might be willing to switch parties or at least vote for some Republicans based on the issues of abortion, homosexuality and bad inner-city schools. When it comes to inner-city black-owned businesses,

Not at all; for blacks the "D" trumps everything and always will.

44 posted on 06/08/2011 4:47:29 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.; KEVLAR; wku man

On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:47:29 PM, Theodore R. wrote: “Not at all; for blacks the “D” trumps everything and always will.”

I can’t agree. Most blacks were Republican until FDR, and a fairly significant minority still were until the 1960s, for example, Condoleeza Rice’s father.

I realize many on Free Republic will consider Gen. Colin Powell a RINO, and apart from military issues a good case can be made that’s true. I don’t want Powell in office for the same reason I don’t want other moderate Republicans in office, though if he were running in some far-left district he might be better than the incumbent Democrat.

I realize that some may say the same for Condoleeza Rice and call her a RINO.

But how about Herman Cain? Is he not an example of a conservative black businessman who has gotten significant support not from RINOs but rather from the Tea Party movement?

On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:02:29 AM, KEVLAR wrote: “I left Illinois in December for Missouri. It was very difficult to find a large moving truck available in Illinois, many had been rented and taken out of state.”

Welcome to Missouri. I live outside Fort Leonard Wood, on I-44 between Rolla and Lebanon.

Responding to DTM’s comment that “However, even if our opponents treat politics as a street brawl with no rules, we cannot operate that way as conservatives who are supposed to respect the laws and the institutions of government,” on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:53:27 PM, wku man
wrote: “So we stand by and watch while they destroy our nation? Sorry...at some point, all bets are off. If you tell your enemy what line you won’t cross, that’s where he’ll go.”

The line for me is the Constitution. I have no problem telling our enemies that I won’t violate the Constitution. In fact, all federal elected officials and to my knowledge most if not all state elected officials swear an oath to do just that.

We are a country of laws and not of men, and we need to follow the laws. We are conservatives; we are not revolutionaries, and there are tactics being used by the followers of Saul Alinksy and the whole “community organizing” group that we simply cannot adopt. Methods are not neutral, and that road leads places conservatives do not want to go.


45 posted on 06/08/2011 5:42:42 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Theodore R.
Okay, thanx for the correction ...... I could have sworn I read somewhere he's from someplace like Highland Park. But if I was wrong, I was wrong. Thanx. But what makes him a RiNO, or did he just scheme to get the speakership all along, and bring "good government" (favorite RiNO/Bushbot catchphrase) to the Texas GOP (which always means, conservatives => working in a garage)?

To do a deal with the entire 'Rat caucus to become "their" speaker, was a bit of Machiavellian maneuvering worthy of the Borgias.

46 posted on 06/09/2011 9:24:31 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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