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Rudy's Running (To take out Romney?)
Weakless Standard ^ | Wednesday June 8, 2011 | Bill Kristol

Posted on 06/08/2011 5:01:12 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

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To: FrankR

LOL!


51 posted on 06/08/2011 6:05:34 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: mrsmith

remember Reagan had to have his Bush Sr.

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That was his biggest mistake. He should have picked a conservative as his VP.


52 posted on 06/08/2011 6:06:04 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: mrsmith
“Party unity” demands a balanced ticket.


What?

PREFECTLY© balanced at the top and bottom with aConservatives.

You betcha!


53 posted on 06/08/2011 6:06:44 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: mrsmith
“Party unity” demands a balanced ticket.

The last time I heard the word 'demand' on FR, it was coming from Repubs who were demanding that Sarah Palin make an announcement that she will not run.

54 posted on 06/08/2011 6:07:00 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: indylindy
You are correct regarding the state of affairs. It's dreadful I'm glad that you realized that I wasn't attacking you.

It really is that bad. I spent my evening actually witnessing the pain people are feeling. It ain’t pretty.

Even though I don't know how your evening was, I believe you.

55 posted on 06/08/2011 6:12:33 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: dirtboy

I thought he was a good mayor for NYC and that he served NYC at the right time: 9/11.

I never supported him for national office and I most certainly agree with you that he shafted Bush,because he had to have known about Kerik.

I’ve never been a fan of lawyer politicians, and that’s one more reason I like Sarah Palin.


56 posted on 06/08/2011 6:14:50 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Longbow1969

“We aren’t going to win NY putting him on the ticket, so what does he bring? “

Yeah Bush Sr could presumably help bring in a big state- Texas. Rudy can’t do that.

Mitt or Rudy though would be like a reverse Dick Cheney to bring in the ‘moderates’ like Cheny, God bless him, brought in the conservatives for Bush Jr.

A conservative who wanted to win would want the country club Republicans supporting the ticket.


57 posted on 06/08/2011 6:17:44 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Bigtigermike

He couldn’t even carry New York.


58 posted on 06/08/2011 6:23:28 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: dirtboy

His wife had to get a court order to keep him from continuing to bring his bimbo into the family home.

His wife and kids found out that he was filing for divorce when they saw his press conference announcing his plan on the news.

Sewer rats have more character.


59 posted on 06/08/2011 6:26:22 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: onyx
I thought he was a good mayor for NYC

And Christie is a good governor for NJ.

Doesn't mean they are good choices for national office.

60 posted on 06/08/2011 6:26:47 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Bigtigermike

That’s all we need in the race, another RINO.


61 posted on 06/08/2011 6:30:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

I second that - no question about it!

Romney = Obama.


62 posted on 06/08/2011 6:33:21 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Perry/Bachmann 2012 - they can share hair care products.)
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To: SUSSA; He Rides A White Horse; onyx

Well guys after a conservative wins the nomination- and this is looking more likely IMHO- the establishment Republicans are no longer our worst enemy but our most accessible allies against Obama.

I’m looking at the campaigns of these guys from the viewpoint of the day after the nomination is won by, hopefully, Palin.
And I see the VP stakes.


63 posted on 06/08/2011 6:38:01 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Siena Dreaming

Ditto. I am not for Rudy in any way for President, but he is utterly fantastic on some issues. He is also bad on other critical issues important for a White House run. He is vastly better than the flip flopping Romney.


64 posted on 06/08/2011 6:44:50 PM PDT by ilgipper ( political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: mrsmith
Alright, you hope Sarah wins; I can appreciate that. The things that establishment Republicans have been doing lately convince me that they are not trustworthy. No more voting for the lesser of two evils; I am tired of being a political hostage. That's right, Hostage. No more.
65 posted on 06/08/2011 6:53:43 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: dirtboy

That’s my thinking, also.
North East Republicans are rarely, if ever, Conservatives.


66 posted on 06/08/2011 6:54:59 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: mrsmith; SUSSA; He Rides A White Horse

I see no reason to compromise on the VP, who could instantly become President.

Democrats win with the most liberal and stupid of all VP’s: Biden and Gore to cite the most recent two winners.

We should go for the best conservative.


67 posted on 06/08/2011 6:57:59 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: mrsmith

Sure the nominee can take Mitt or Rudy as her VP. She could ask Tony Weiner too.

I would hope that she would pick someone who is at least pro-Bill of Rights and pro-life and has at least as much character as John Edwards which leaves Rudy out.


68 posted on 06/08/2011 6:59:12 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA; mrsmith
remember Reagan had to have his Bush Sr.

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That was his biggest mistake. He should have picked a conservative as his VP.

It has been said that George H.W. Bush was more or less forced upon Reagan to be his VP. Supposedly the RNC would not have provided financial support for his presidential campaign unless he chose him as his running mate.

69 posted on 06/08/2011 7:04:31 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina

I’ve heard that too. I think he could have told them to stick it and raised enough to win without their money.


70 posted on 06/08/2011 7:10:18 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: mrsmith
A conservative who wanted to win would want the country club Republicans supporting the ticket.

I do see where you are coming from, and it is possible if we get a really solid conservative nominee that they may go for some "moderate" the media will like to shore up the mushy middle, but a pro-abortion candidate is just unacceptable. Alienating social conservatives would be a big mistake.

Personally, I am thinking top choices for a VP nominee would probably be someone like Rubio or perhaps Pawlenty (assuming he doesn't win the nomination). Both could help us win important states, and both can probably appeal to independents (Rubio brings in Hispanics too).

71 posted on 06/08/2011 7:10:19 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: onyx
I see no reason to compromise on the VP, who could instantly become President.

Compromising simply does not work. So-called 'Moderates' attempting to curry favor with the left, who will not vote for them anyway. All attempts with this misguided strategy has resulted in failure.

All we get in return is a Republican Party that is marching inexorably leftward.

72 posted on 06/08/2011 7:11:23 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: onyx

I’m a Northeast Republican. But my roots are in Oklahoma and Texas, so I’m not a normal NE pubbie.


73 posted on 06/08/2011 7:12:32 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: He Rides A White Horse

That’s one of the primary reasons the GOP-E doesn’t want Sarah Palin to win the nomination!

She won’t play their game!

She will pick her own VP and if the GOP/RNC want to withhold money, so be it!

She’s the only one who can raise the needed $Billion without their help.


74 posted on 06/08/2011 7:18:55 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: arasina

I’ve heard that and believe it.

But even if Bush were not overtly forced upom him the VP is usually chosen to appease the losing wing of the Party.


75 posted on 06/08/2011 7:19:42 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: dirtboy

Well, I meant elected office holders.

:)


76 posted on 06/08/2011 7:20:04 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: SUSSA
I’ve heard that too. I think he could have told them to stick it and raised enough to win without their money.

Hindsight is 20 20. ;-)

77 posted on 06/08/2011 7:29:50 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Longbow1969
...go for some "moderate" the media will like to shore up the mushy middle,...

I see a couple of problems with this:

There are no "moderates". There are conservatives, leftists, and also uninformed and thus somewhat confused conservatives and leftists. We need to explain conservatism to everyone with the confident expectation that most Americans are conservatives.

The media will absolutely excoriate our ticket no matter who is on it.

78 posted on 06/08/2011 7:33:32 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
There are no "moderates". There are conservatives, leftists, and also uninformed and thus somewhat confused conservatives and leftists. We need to explain conservatism to everyone with the confident expectation that most Americans are conservatives.

Yes, I agree. My preference is for an all conservative ticket. I certainly don't want a social liberal like Rudy as our VP choice.

79 posted on 06/08/2011 7:37:39 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Hmmm, interesting. I may be overemphasising the NE-establishment-moderate mollifying character of the VP choice, but neither of those seem to have enough of it.

OTOH none of the candidates I think of, like Romney or Rudy, who do have that quality can bring in a single electoral vote.


80 posted on 06/08/2011 7:41:31 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: onyx; All
That’s one of the primary reasons the GOP-E doesn’t want Sarah Palin to win the nomination!

She won’t play their game!

Yes onyx. I'm not playing their game either.

She will pick her own VP and if the GOP/RNC want to withhold money, so be it!

Mitt Romney is being rammed down our throats. I'm not voting for him. Never.

She’s the only one who can raise the needed $Billion without their help.

As far as I am concerned, she is the only candidate I will vote for. Voting for RINOs only has the effect of rewarding bad behavior.

81 posted on 06/08/2011 7:44:31 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I’ll write her name in if I have to.
I’m with you. I have no second choice.


82 posted on 06/08/2011 7:46:50 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: GoCards
Seems I remember that Rudy said if Palin jumps in he will get in to take her out. He is not a fan.

You remember wrong. He has hinted that, if she's in, he's out. He IS a fan.

83 posted on 06/08/2011 7:51:45 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: LS

The author drew the parallel of Giuliani’s loss to Dinkins, then his comeback in the next election. If Giuliani knocks out Romney, it gives conservatives a clear shot at the nomination.


84 posted on 06/08/2011 7:59:29 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Compromising simply does not work. So-called 'Moderates' attempting to curry favor with the left, who will not vote for them anyway. All attempts with this misguided strategy has resulted in failure.

What if, instead of GHW Bush, Reagan had appointed John Connolly as his VP?

In my estimation -- and in hindsight -- Reagan's appointment of GHW Bush as his VP in order to appease the "moderates" was the reason that conservatism lost its momentum in 1988.

85 posted on 06/08/2011 7:59:35 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: onyx

Voting for the lesser of two evils has failed over and over again, yet many still have the mindset that it will work “this time”. If the Republican Party continues to court and embrace leftist doctrines, where is the victory? What good can possibly come from a political party that believes that you win by becoming like the enemy?


86 posted on 06/08/2011 8:05:44 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Right. Sarah and millions of us TEA Party Republicans, along with Indies didn’t go to the polls in November 2010 to vote for moderates!

We need to finish election 2010’s work in 2012 and that means electing Tea Party acceptable conservatives!


87 posted on 06/08/2011 8:10:52 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: okie01
Reagan's appointment of GHW Bush as his VP in order to appease the "moderates" was the reason that conservatism lost its momentum in 1988.

I simply do not understand why people think appeasement is a viable strategy. It only emboldens an opposing force. Have we forgotten history? It fails time and time again.

88 posted on 06/08/2011 8:12:55 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Well, it is after all the REPUBLICAN candidate...you sometimes have to appease the losing side after the primaries...you NEED the other side NOT to stay home.


89 posted on 06/08/2011 8:16:11 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I simply do not understand why people think appeasement is a viable strategy. It only emboldens an opposing force.

One man's appeasement is another man's compromise.

90 posted on 06/08/2011 8:46:59 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01; onyx

I’m wondering where the line is drawn.


91 posted on 06/08/2011 8:51:59 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: magritte

My line is drawn. Pragmatism ends at being a political hostage.


92 posted on 06/08/2011 9:10:33 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I’m wondering where the line is drawn.

Depends on your point of view.

And whether you win. Or lose.

93 posted on 06/08/2011 9:13:26 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: magritte; He Rides A White Horse

What other side?

The democrats?


94 posted on 06/08/2011 9:14:46 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: onyx

I think it is a reference to selecting a VP.


95 posted on 06/08/2011 9:25:18 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I know, but since when is there a *losing side*? The moderate, pro-abortion side?

That’s not part of the Republican party that I know.


96 posted on 06/08/2011 9:27:55 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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To: onyx
I know, but since when is there a *losing side*? The moderate, pro-abortion side?

That’s not part of the Republican party that I know.

I could never do that. The day that I vote for a pro-abortionist would be the day I sold my soul to Satan himself. Never.

97 posted on 06/08/2011 9:33:23 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Right. I won’t vote for any pro-abortion candidate.

The posters haven’t defined the *losing side*.


98 posted on 06/08/2011 9:39:03 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly like and support Sarah Palin and want on her BUSY Ping List, let me know!)
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RINO fight!


99 posted on 06/08/2011 9:40:36 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: onyx

Republicans. To keep the party united the best it can, you get a conservative candidate, you get a moderate VP...that keeps most on board. You go Moderate/Moderate, you lose some base, you go Conservative/Conservative, you lose Moderates. All Republicans are going to be needed for 2012...there’s not much room for error.


100 posted on 06/08/2011 9:41:37 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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