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Australian camels could be shot to curb methane
madison.com ^ | 09 june 2011

Posted on 06/09/2011 6:16:22 AM PDT by rellimpank

Kill a camel, earn cash for cutting greenhouse gases: That offer may be coming soon in Australia, where vast numbers of the nonnative, methane-belching animals have been trampling the Outback for more than a century.

The government has proposed that killing camels be officially registered as a means of reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Australia has the world's largest population of wild camels _ an estimated 1.2 million _ and considers them to be a growing environmental problem.

The proposal, released for public comment this week, would allow sharpshooters to earn so-called carbon credits for slaughtering camels. Industrial polluters around the world could buy the credits to offset their own carbon emissions.

(Excerpt) Read more at host.madison.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; australian; banglist; camel; camels; curb; dromedary; globalwarming; methane; shot
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--hilarious--let's go shooting---
1 posted on 06/09/2011 6:16:27 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: xcamel; steelyourfaith

—ping—


2 posted on 06/09/2011 6:17:30 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Wonder what PETA will think of this?


3 posted on 06/09/2011 6:20:09 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: rellimpank
There are a lot of good reasons to eradicate an invasive species, but a financial scam is not one of them.
4 posted on 06/09/2011 6:20:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: rellimpank

Are they insane down under?...........................


5 posted on 06/09/2011 6:20:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: rellimpank

I didn’t even know there were camels in Australia.


6 posted on 06/09/2011 6:21:08 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rellimpank

Using this rationale killing off the Buffalo herds 100+ years ago was a good thing despite it decimating the tribes.


7 posted on 06/09/2011 6:21:46 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: rellimpank

Cash for humpers.


8 posted on 06/09/2011 6:21:55 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good. Don't post and drive!)
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To: rellimpank
non indigenous species wreak havoc for the indigenous...

....look at how wild horses have destroyed the range for indigenous species like Bighorn Sheep...

I say regulate the species like any other...if they overpopulate, issue more hunting tags...

as far as methane? that is a non issue..

9 posted on 06/09/2011 6:23:41 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: rellimpank

Ya know, people emit CO2 and methane, too. Hmmm...


10 posted on 06/09/2011 6:23:50 AM PDT by Hartlyboy
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To: rellimpank
This should be good.

PETA vs Warmers

11 posted on 06/09/2011 6:24:15 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: rellimpank

How do these good folks come to believe this will reduce CO2. The camels don’t create CO2 from some magical process. They digest the plants they eat which creates camel meat, camel poop, camel pee, and camel farts. If those plants don’t pass through a camel, then they will just pass through smaller animals, insects, and microbes, eventually producing the same CO2.


12 posted on 06/09/2011 6:25:30 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: rellimpank

Save the Oz camels, save the Oz camels!!

This glo-bull warming insanity is comepletely out of hand at this point. Go ahead and kill a few camels Ozzies. We have millions of head of cattle in this country to more than make up for them.

And what about all the illegals in this country, I am sure all those taco’s and burritos make them rather flatulent.....hey, maybe I could be on to something here.....!


13 posted on 06/09/2011 6:25:35 AM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On!.................Saracuda 2012)
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To: rellimpank
Complete nonsense!
Decaying vegetable matter also releases methane.
Whatever these dead camels did NOT eat will release methane anyway, whether it's rotting or eaten by something else.
And it does not matter, methane occurs naturally, produced by both wild and domesticated sources.

14 posted on 06/09/2011 6:29:43 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: rellimpank

Well, it’s much better than shooting automobile drivers to curb CO2 emissions, as some envirowacks would like to do.


15 posted on 06/09/2011 6:29:49 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Hartlyboy
Ya know, people emit CO2 and methane, too. Hmmm...

And with the planet being "Full" according to New York Times Thomas Freidman.

Beware Soylent Green!

16 posted on 06/09/2011 6:34:24 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: rellimpank

I didn’t even know there were camels in Australia.


17 posted on 06/09/2011 6:35:36 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Hartlyboy

“People emit CO2 and methane, too”

My husband says my chili recipe could destroy the ozone. (well, he could do that on his own!)


18 posted on 06/09/2011 6:36:50 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: rellimpank

Heard the definition of a camel one time. It’s a horse built by a committee.


19 posted on 06/09/2011 6:38:52 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Hartlyboy
Environmental Police could wear Infrared glasses so they can see who farts and then fine them.
20 posted on 06/09/2011 6:39:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Vast numbers of them, but not in the places where most people live or visit.

The country is mostly desert so in the 19th century, camels were brought over in large numbers to help people travel through the desert. It made sense and it worked - helped a great deal in opening up the continent.

Now we don’t need them anymore, they are a feral pest.


21 posted on 06/09/2011 6:39:51 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: rellimpank

Will they be exporting Australian camel toes?


22 posted on 06/09/2011 6:40:47 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Hartlyboy

Is just a matter of time before that becomes gov’t policy as well...


23 posted on 06/09/2011 6:41:31 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: rellimpank

I don’t mind if they shoot them but it would be because they are destroying the environment by competing with native species, NOT because of their farts.


24 posted on 06/09/2011 6:41:46 AM PDT by tiki
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To: rellimpank

Mankind has lost its mind.

These insane fools should do themselves, and leave the poor camels alone, they are fine. We on the other hand...


25 posted on 06/09/2011 6:41:52 AM PDT by chris37 (awesome!)
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To: naturalman1975

I learn something new on FR every day.


26 posted on 06/09/2011 6:41:53 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: farmguy

Of course. And the ruling-class intellectuals/university “scientists” know this. They just are laughing at people who don’t get the joke.


27 posted on 06/09/2011 6:43:17 AM PDT by ngat
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To: rellimpank

Rib eye?

Camels are grazing animals, makes sense that they might make some good cuts.

Not sure how vulnerable they are to various parasites, though.


28 posted on 06/09/2011 6:43:48 AM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: djf
Lots of camels end up on a plate. I don't know how they taste but people keep eating them.
29 posted on 06/09/2011 6:48:03 AM PDT by JPG (Sarah Palin, driving the MSM crazy one day at a time.)
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To: naturalman1975
"feral pest"

Which leads us to this question: how good eating (roast, fried, baked, whatever) is camel?

30 posted on 06/09/2011 6:50:20 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: farmguy

AS you say. The CO2 and methane produced by animals and plants are part of the natural carbon cycle.

Over the course of years they neither add to nor remove “greenhouse gases” from the system.

Fossil fuels add net carbon to the atmosphere because they release carbon that was stored in them millions of years ago by the plants and animals of that day.


31 posted on 06/09/2011 6:52:30 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: JPG

I know kangaroo meat is good eating.

No idea about Australian camels though.


32 posted on 06/09/2011 6:52:30 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: farmguy
How do these good folks come to believe this will reduce CO2. The camels don’t create CO2 from some magical process. They digest the plants they eat which creates camel meat, camel poop, camel pee, and camel farts. If those plants don’t pass through a camel, then they will just pass through smaller animals, insects, and microbes, eventually producing the same CO2.

BLASPHEMY!!!

33 posted on 06/09/2011 6:55:47 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: rellimpank

Maybe I ought to take a few shots for the team after I eat my beans. Or perhaps we should mow down anyone overdoing it on Mex food in the name of Green.


34 posted on 06/09/2011 7:02:59 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: rellimpank

It is, first, amazing that animals can convert grass into food. This requires fermentation within the gut, and results in a lot of methane. Accordingly, by bringing grazing animals largely under management, the human race has tremendously reduced the emission of methane. Another really big contribution of humans is draining swamps. Animal and vegetable matter decay in swamps through the action of termites and microbes that also release methane. The result is open cesspools of decaying organic matter. By draining swamps, the human race has made another tremendous change to the climate. We have been tera-forming this planet for centuries. Converting it from a place marginally-disposed to human habitation, into a veritable garden, by bringing the rivers under management, eliminating dread diseases, ending plagues of locust, and in many other ways. We should be proud of what we have done and approach environmental protection (and enhancement) with a positive perspective.


35 posted on 06/09/2011 7:04:02 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: rellimpank; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
Thanx for the ping ellimpank !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

36 posted on 06/09/2011 7:04:25 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: driftless2

Not bad, actually.

Camel is actually one of the meats that is officially permitted to be served in an Australian Meat Pie (one of our major ‘national foods’) and is actually a fairly common choice along with rabbit.


37 posted on 06/09/2011 7:07:25 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: rellimpank

Marching onward to complete and absolute stupidity.


38 posted on 06/09/2011 7:09:09 AM PDT by JayAr36 (Education is what we had before educators. Mark Steyn)
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To: rellimpank
Eliminating politicians and environmentalists would reduce BS.
39 posted on 06/09/2011 7:11:14 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG; djf; JPG

Camel meat is a common component of the Australian Meat Pie - available all over the country.


40 posted on 06/09/2011 7:16:37 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: rellimpank

I’m not sure any carbon credits should be given to those who do not use or properly dispose of the dead carcass. Some of the meat of a dead carcass might be eaten by vultures and such, but mostly its organic matter will decay due to the action of microbes, which will result in the release of a lot of methane. Turning the carcass into “by products” such as cat food and fertilizer, as industrial food processors routinely do nowadays, is much more environmentally sensitive.


41 posted on 06/09/2011 7:21:21 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Vaquero; All
--I distinctly recall an article in one of the gun magazines a few years ago suggesting hunting trips to Australia for the purpose of shooting feral camels-

-IIRC, they were completely unprotected.

There were outfitters prepared to guide the hunt, etc.,--they are a big, tough animal, requiring at least a .30-'06 class rifle with an elk-type bullet for successful shooting---

42 posted on 06/09/2011 7:26:08 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

insanity


43 posted on 06/09/2011 7:26:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: rellimpank

Uh-oh! Are flatulent men next???


44 posted on 06/09/2011 7:28:26 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Hartlyboy

I was thinking the same thing, too.


45 posted on 06/09/2011 7:28:46 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

For the “completely useless” trivia file: the fastest camels in the world (used for camel racing, mostly in the Middle East) come from Australia. And, they bring prices comparable to thoroughbred horses.


46 posted on 06/09/2011 7:32:01 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: tiki

I mostly agree with you. If you were managing the deer population, or the bear population, the fish or any population that was not privately-owned, you’d want to find the point where ALL the costs were balanced against ALL the benefits. So, the emission of greenhouses gases might be part of it. But, only a small part. Mostly, we like bio-diversity. We view the entire world as a zoo in which we can enjoy not simply seeing various life forms in isolation, but in their habitats, and as parts of bio-systems. This is a little tricky as, for example, we don’t want bears roaming off their reservations onto nearby ranches and towns. But, there’s no big problem with deer roaming a bit. So, how many permits should you issue for hunting camels? Maybe a lot. Indeed, instead of charging people to hunt camel, maybe you should pay them. By adjusting the price, we should be able to maintain or even enhance bio-diversity in the world, which, as you point out, sometimes means culling some populations in order to preserve space for other populations.


47 posted on 06/09/2011 7:32:35 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Sherman Logan

Only if oil biotic.


48 posted on 06/09/2011 7:34:45 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: rellimpank
like 99.9% of horses...all dromedary camels are feral domesticated animals....I do not know if there are any truly wild camels left either dromedary or bactrian.

I would use a 30-06 with at least an 180 grain bullet...

though for short range a 45-70 with 405 or 500 grain bullets would work quite nicely....

49 posted on 06/09/2011 7:43:08 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Rebelbase
Using this rationale killing off the Buffalo herds 100+ years ago was a good thing despite it decimating the tribes.

Not exactly. Bison are a native species to America, while camels are nonnative (to Australia).

We've got our own problems with feral pigs in Texas.

50 posted on 06/09/2011 7:44:50 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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