Skip to comments.Herman Cain: Homosexuality is a sin and a choice (Will this statement help or hurt his chances?)
Posted on 06/09/2011 1:19:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told Hotsheet Wednesday that homosexuality is a sin and a choice.
"I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian, I believe it's a sin," he said. "But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice."
Cain was asked: "So you believe it's a choice?"
"I believe it is a choice," he responded.
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Well I support him but on the “choice” remark...that’s gonna hurt him.
3 days from now, it won’t matter. In the meantime, it will cause some plusses and some minuses. The key is he does not see the government playing a role in these decisions, which is all that matters.
I don’t think the homosexuals were gonna vote for Cain anyway. They’re racists, you know.
At the margin, it helps in the primaries, hurts in the general.
My gut says it would hurt, but as I think about it I don’t know if it will make a difference. People are already pretty much entrenched in these positions and I don’t konw that this changes any minds. I mean, did you think a liberal was going to vote for him anyway?
He wasn’t gonna get a large homo vote anyway.
It will help his chances. Especially in the black community. If you ever want to find out the highest level of hatred for the gays, just get a couple of black guys started on the topic. That community is rabidly anti gay and anti gay marriage. Always surprises me considering how much they vote Rat.
It doesn’t hurt him with me :-)
Cue up the screaming libs.
Well, maybe, but that will be our cue as to how serious they are taking HC.
Who cares? The queers may be 1.5% of the population.....
OTOH, among the 40% or so of us who really, really are fed up to gills with the pink mafia trying to redefine society for the other 97% or so of us who understand the difference between an exit and an entrance orifice, hearing the truth out of a candidate for public office is refreshing.
Maybe, maybe not.
"I believe it is a choice," he responded.
If it was genetic, it would have been bred out millions of years ago, since they don't procreate.
RE: My gut says it would hurt
My guts say it will hurt ONLY IN VERY BLUE STATES. It will help IN VERY RED STATES. Purple states will not care one way or the other.
In the very blue state of NY ( especially the city for instance ), Carl Paladino (who was running for NY State Governor ) actually publicly stated that :
1) He is against marriage ( in a speech to an Orthodox Jewish Community )
2) He disapproves of Andrew Cuomo bringing his young daughters to a Gay Pride Parade.
He was loudly excoriated by the NY press for that. See here:
Needless to say, the press kept hammering this issue until he lost momentum. You know the result.
Errrr, what? As a behaviour, sex is a choice. At any time I could choose to have sex with a goat, the living room sofa, a tuna fish sandwich or an Edsel.
He's not going to lose anyone that would have voted for him anyways. :-)
It will give the media more ammo but guess what, they weren’t exactly planning on supporting him anyway.
Hurt or not, the truth will set you free.
Will it hurt him? No, most Americans believe as he does. But, I’m a Ronald Reagan-style Conservative and I’ve counseled many homosexuals who say: “I can remember having same sex attractions in Elementary School”. What do you say to that?
“As a behaviour, sex is a choice. At any time I could choose to have sex with a goat, the living room sofa, a tuna fish sandwich or an Edsel.”
Interesting. At what age did you “choose” to be straight? To have sexual relations with the opposite sex only? If you are straight, can you “choose” to be gay tomorrow for a day, have homosexual relations and then “choose” to switch back the following day?
I agree that this statement will not hurt him in the primary, and I still back him 100% but it WILL come back to haunt him if he wins the nomination.
I don’t think it will have an effect now, but the MSM will use it against him if/when he becomes a threat down the road.
The idea of choosing sexual orientation is absurd.
I’d like Mr. Cain to tell us about the day he chose his sexual orientation. That’s a big decision. I’m sure he remembers. Tell us about it. How did he decide? What precipitated the decision?
What a bout the many many pillows (guys).....there must be a term for that.
What you say is the “act” is a choice, regardless of the proclivity. I can only assume that the “urge” for same sex is the same “urge” as it is for those who happen to like 8 year olds — but no one is out saying that’s ok because it’s nature.
Any act is by definition a choice. The urge is irrelevant.
Well he can forget Barney Fags vote. . . . . .
Liberals, ascribing to the belief that we’re nothing but thinking animals,
doesn’t believe we can, OR SHOULD, control our sexual impulses.
Therefore, they don’t believe that we have a choice but to follow those impulses.
Perhaps you aren’t acquainted with the difference in an act and an urge. There is no law that says anyone must act on all their urges. At least, unless you are a liberal.
He’s a Republican. Most gays and liberals wouldn’t vote for him on that basis alone.
“...and Ive counseled many homosexuals who say: I can remember having same sex attractions in Elementary School. What do you say to that?”
You could ask yourself silently whether it was revisionist from a now-sexualized perspective. I would wonder if these attractions were actually sexual ones at that age. There is at least one condition that has homosexual attractions as one of its (many) symptoms - Candida albicans overgrowth, usually associated with excess consumption of refined sugar in their, or their parents’ diet, and often combined with over-reliance on antibiotics.
As others said above, I don’t think this will hurt Herman Cain’s chances among those already considering him. With them, if anything, it would strengthen support for him. It might hurt him in the general election with independent voters, but not among those that are in the Black or Hispanic communities, since that part of the electorate in California was happy to support marriage as marriage, rather than its homosexual reinterpretation, even if at the same time they voted in the current White House resident.
The next conservative President should always stand by that statement. Always stand by the truth.
Sodomy was illegal in America before 1962. That means people under 50 don’t really remember a time when sodomy was not celebrated and forced on people by the sodomite lobby and the government and media they control.
Sodomy laws need to be brought back. Acknowledging that sodomy is wrong is where to start.
Sound crazy ? Visit the sodomite street fair in SF. Decide if that’s the world you want your children to grow up in. Or think about the evil lunacy of sodomite adoption of children that were take from their families by the government with no TRIAL BY JURY.
Read about the American Law Institute and the Model Penal Code of 1962.
This is part of the beginning of taking America back from those who seek to DESTROY IT AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR. Private Property. The Rule of Law. Personal Responsibility and Individual Liberty.
Think about how wonderful it would have been to live in America prior to 1800 - in terms of personal liberty.
We can get back to that liberty. We must. And we will.
Not ready for prime time Cain. Hey, how about talking up gun control again? You’re on a roll.
Well, if you get drunk enough, you're ability to choose becomes impaired and there's no telling where you're going to put your junk. Hell, you might even hit THIS if you've had enough to drink.
Good for him. Steer queer of liberalism.
It’ll probably pull a handful of votes from Santorum’s three handfuls of votes, but I’d guess it also immediately puts an upper ceiling on Cain’s rise.
RE: Not ready for prime time Cain.
How should a GOP candidate who IS ready for Prime Time respond when asked about his views on Homosexuality (in the same manner they asked Herman Cain )?
RE: Most gays and liberals wouldnt vote for him on that basis alone.
Except maybe for the Log Cabin Republicans.
good point. I’ll remember that.
“Ive counseled many homosexuals who say: I can remember having same sex attractions in Elementary School. What do you say to that?”
You could say that you had the urge to steal stuff from other kids when you were in elementary school — but you made a choice to NOT steal because it’s wrong to steal.
You could say that pedophiles have an urge to do what pedophiles do, and have been attracted to children since they were teenagers. Is that OK, too, just because there’s an attraction?
Why are homosexual special, in that their urges condoned, and even encouraged? We all are tempted to do immoral things, but we control ourselves. Why can’t they?
You say to them that they’ve had a mental illness for a long time.
True 1.5%, but surveys show that the populace believe that the homosexuals = 25%, proving that the public schools have done their job of indoctrinating kids, very well.
In this context, "choice," means chosing to have homosexual relations, not choosing whether or not you're attracted to the same sex. But even in that, I suspect there's an element of choice among homosexuals. As an example, no one "chooses" to walk on two legs; it's something that happens naturally in a normal human context. But someone who desires to go outside the bounds of that normality by deliberately walking on all fours does so by choice.
Whether you agtree with him or not- I LOVE THAT HE SPEAKS HIS MIND AND GIVES STRAIGHT ANSWERS
I am of the opposite camp- I have a family member who is gay and everyone in the family knew it from very early on- it IS genetic, I am 100% convinced.
My thought as well. Glad to see Cain speak out against homosexuality.
I hope this helps Cain. I like him and I support him, although I will vote for whomever is nominated. I agree with this talking point. Obama just declared June to be LGBT awareness month. I do not agree that people are “born” gay and nowhere else in the animal kingdom is there gay behavior. Propagation of the species is the second strongest instinctual drive; the strongest being survival. Bravo for Cain to have the guts to come out and make such a statement in public.
What Cain is doing; is setting the bar very high for other conservatives. He knows others will be asked the same question about homo’s and muslims.
How will the others answer...are they for the truth or will PC will out.
"Immediately after the Hamer study was published a media explosion ensued, but like the Hypothalamus study before it, Hamers study was soon to be discredited as both biased and corrupt. In fact, the title of an article appearing in the same-gender sex magazine, New York Native, illustrates this fact well. The article is titled:
Gay Gene Research Doesnt Hold Under Scrutiny, Chicago Tribunes John Crewdson Uncovers Possible Scientific Misconduct by NCI Researcher. (New York Native, 7-10-95, p.25)
First, the article informs the reader of the following:
In addition to the political and social firestorm Hamers research has ignited, he has also been criticized by numerous scientists for not performing what seems to be an obvious control experiment: examining the genes of heterosexual brothers. Those scientists, including two prominent geneticist/biologists at Harvard University [Richard Lewontin and Ruth Hubbard], were not government researchers. (New York Native 7-10-95, p.28)
Even worse for Hamer, the National Institute of Healths Office of Research Integrity is now investigating his gay gene research, according to Crewdson. The inquiry concerns allegations that Hamer was selective about which data he chose to report (i.e., that he ignored data that didnt support his contention that homosexuality is genetically determined).
The data manipulation was reported to NIHs integrity office by a junior researcher who performed research crucial to Hamers claimed discovery, according to Crewdson. (New York Native 7-10-95, p.28, emphasis mine)
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/born-gay-hoax-studies-debunked/ It's like the Environmentalist Hockey Puck Graph - DEBUNKED!
Alissa Milano letting her hair down for me. Next question?