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Herman Cain: Homosexuality is a sin and a choice (Will this statement help or hurt his chances?)
CBS News ^ | 06/09/2011 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 06/09/2011 1:19:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told Hotsheet Wednesday that homosexuality is a sin and a choice.

"I believe homosexuality is a sin because I'm a Bible-believing Christian, I believe it's a sin," he said. "But I know that some people make that choice. That's their choice."

Cain was asked: "So you believe it's a choice?"

"I believe it is a choice," he responded.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; choice; faggots; fagolotry; gay; hermancain; homosexualagenda; homosexuality
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1 posted on 06/09/2011 1:19:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Full transcript of the interview here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/09/politics/main20070306.shtml


2 posted on 06/09/2011 1:19:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I support him but on the “choice” remark...that’s gonna hurt him.


3 posted on 06/09/2011 1:20:16 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind

3 days from now, it won’t matter. In the meantime, it will cause some plusses and some minuses. The key is he does not see the government playing a role in these decisions, which is all that matters.


4 posted on 06/09/2011 1:20:25 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think the homosexuals were gonna vote for Cain anyway. They’re racists, you know.


5 posted on 06/09/2011 1:21:26 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind

At the margin, it helps in the primaries, hurts in the general.


6 posted on 06/09/2011 1:21:36 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind

My gut says it would hurt, but as I think about it I don’t know if it will make a difference. People are already pretty much entrenched in these positions and I don’t konw that this changes any minds. I mean, did you think a liberal was going to vote for him anyway?


7 posted on 06/09/2011 1:21:52 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

He wasn’t gonna get a large homo vote anyway.


8 posted on 06/09/2011 1:23:01 PM PDT by umgud
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To: SeekAndFind

It will help his chances. Especially in the black community. If you ever want to find out the highest level of hatred for the gays, just get a couple of black guys started on the topic. That community is rabidly anti gay and anti gay marriage. Always surprises me considering how much they vote Rat.


9 posted on 06/09/2011 1:23:01 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It doesn’t hurt him with me :-)


10 posted on 06/09/2011 1:23:14 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: Grunthor; SeekAndFind

Cue up the screaming libs.

Well, maybe, but that will be our cue as to how serious they are taking HC.


11 posted on 06/09/2011 1:23:29 PM PDT by onona (I play hockey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who cares? The queers may be 1.5% of the population.....


12 posted on 06/09/2011 1:24:41 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: SeekAndFind
For me it helps him. I am tired of being harassed to accept homosexuality as normal and good. I am glad that there is finally one politician who has the nerve to stand up to the homosexual thugs and tell the truth. How few even self-proclaimed conservatives will take that risk.
13 posted on 06/09/2011 1:25:00 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, it will hurt his chances amount the 2% or 3% of the population which is homo and the 20% or so which can be cowed by the pink mafia. About 0.4% of this group would be inclined to vote for him anyway.

OTOH, among the 40% or so of us who really, really are fed up to gills with the pink mafia trying to redefine society for the other 97% or so of us who understand the difference between an exit and an entrance orifice, hearing the truth out of a candidate for public office is refreshing.

14 posted on 06/09/2011 1:26:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Grunthor

Maybe, maybe not.


15 posted on 06/09/2011 1:26:30 PM PDT by RockinRight (Who is "Generic Republican" and why does he poll so much better against Obama than anyone else?)
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To: SeekAndFind
There goes his liberal support.

... oh

16 posted on 06/09/2011 1:27:02 PM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cain was asked: "So you believe it's a choice?"

"I believe it is a choice," he responded.

If it was genetic, it would have been bred out millions of years ago, since they don't procreate.

17 posted on 06/09/2011 1:27:02 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

RE: My gut says it would hurt

My guts say it will hurt ONLY IN VERY BLUE STATES. It will help IN VERY RED STATES. Purple states will not care one way or the other.

In the very blue state of NY ( especially the city for instance ), Carl Paladino (who was running for NY State Governor ) actually publicly stated that :

1) He is against marriage ( in a speech to an Orthodox Jewish Community )

2) He disapproves of Andrew Cuomo bringing his young daughters to a Gay Pride Parade.

He was loudly excoriated by the NY press for that. See here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/10/carl-paladino-firestorm-over-g.html

Needless to say, the press kept hammering this issue until he lost momentum. You know the result.


18 posted on 06/09/2011 1:27:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Grunthor
but on the “choice” remark...that’s gonna hurt him

Errrr, what? As a behaviour, sex is a choice. At any time I could choose to have sex with a goat, the living room sofa, a tuna fish sandwich or an Edsel.

He's not going to lose anyone that would have voted for him anyways. :-)

19 posted on 06/09/2011 1:27:43 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (I'm called a 'teabagger'? Well, get over here liberal and I'll show you what that means.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It will give the media more ammo but guess what, they weren’t exactly planning on supporting him anyway.

Hurt or not, the truth will set you free.


20 posted on 06/09/2011 1:28:49 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Get crazy with the cheese whiz!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Will it hurt him? No, most Americans believe as he does. But, I’m a Ronald Reagan-style Conservative and I’ve counseled many homosexuals who say: “I can remember having same sex attractions in Elementary School”. What do you say to that?


21 posted on 06/09/2011 1:30:08 PM PDT by no dems (When I learn that a person, regardless of who they are, is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

“As a behaviour, sex is a choice. At any time I could choose to have sex with a goat, the living room sofa, a tuna fish sandwich or an Edsel.”

Interesting. At what age did you “choose” to be straight? To have sexual relations with the opposite sex only? If you are straight, can you “choose” to be gay tomorrow for a day, have homosexual relations and then “choose” to switch back the following day?

I agree that this statement will not hurt him in the primary, and I still back him 100% but it WILL come back to haunt him if he wins the nomination.


22 posted on 06/09/2011 1:32:22 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think it will have an effect now, but the MSM will use it against him if/when he becomes a threat down the road.


23 posted on 06/09/2011 1:32:40 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: SeekAndFind

The idea of choosing sexual orientation is absurd.

I’d like Mr. Cain to tell us about the day he chose his sexual orientation. That’s a big decision. I’m sure he remembers. Tell us about it. How did he decide? What precipitated the decision?


24 posted on 06/09/2011 1:32:44 PM PDT by CelesteChristi
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To: The Iceman Cometh

What a bout the many many pillows (guys).....there must be a term for that.


25 posted on 06/09/2011 1:33:53 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: no dems

What you say is the “act” is a choice, regardless of the proclivity. I can only assume that the “urge” for same sex is the same “urge” as it is for those who happen to like 8 year olds — but no one is out saying that’s ok because it’s nature.

Any act is by definition a choice. The urge is irrelevant.


26 posted on 06/09/2011 1:34:05 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well he can forget Barney Fags vote. . . . . .


27 posted on 06/09/2011 1:34:20 PM PDT by DeaconRed (Everything I need to know in life, I learned in Kindergarten. . . .)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

Liberals, ascribing to the belief that we’re nothing but thinking animals,

doesn’t believe we can, OR SHOULD, control our sexual impulses.

Therefore, they don’t believe that we have a choice but to follow those impulses.


28 posted on 06/09/2011 1:36:59 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: CelesteChristi

Perhaps you aren’t acquainted with the difference in an act and an urge. There is no law that says anyone must act on all their urges. At least, unless you are a liberal.


29 posted on 06/09/2011 1:39:50 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s a Republican. Most gays and liberals wouldn’t vote for him on that basis alone.


30 posted on 06/09/2011 1:39:58 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: no dems

“...and I’ve counseled many homosexuals who say: “I can remember having same sex attractions in Elementary School”. What do you say to that?”

You could ask yourself silently whether it was revisionist from a now-sexualized perspective. I would wonder if these attractions were actually sexual ones at that age. There is at least one condition that has homosexual attractions as one of its (many) symptoms - Candida albicans overgrowth, usually associated with excess consumption of refined sugar in their, or their parents’ diet, and often combined with over-reliance on antibiotics.

As others said above, I don’t think this will hurt Herman Cain’s chances among those already considering him. With them, if anything, it would strengthen support for him. It might hurt him in the general election with independent voters, but not among those that are in the Black or Hispanic communities, since that part of the electorate in California was happy to support marriage as marriage, rather than its homosexual reinterpretation, even if at the same time they voted in the current White House resident.


31 posted on 06/09/2011 1:40:37 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: SeekAndFind

The next conservative President should always stand by that statement. Always stand by the truth.

Sodomy was illegal in America before 1962. That means people under 50 don’t really remember a time when sodomy was not celebrated and forced on people by the sodomite lobby and the government and media they control.

Sodomy laws need to be brought back. Acknowledging that sodomy is wrong is where to start.

Sound crazy ? Visit the sodomite street fair in SF. Decide if that’s the world you want your children to grow up in. Or think about the evil lunacy of sodomite adoption of children that were take from their families by the government with no TRIAL BY JURY.

Read about the American Law Institute and the Model Penal Code of 1962.

This is part of the beginning of taking America back from those who seek to DESTROY IT AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR. Private Property. The Rule of Law. Personal Responsibility and Individual Liberty.

Think about how wonderful it would have been to live in America prior to 1800 - in terms of personal liberty.

We can get back to that liberty. We must. And we will.


32 posted on 06/09/2011 1:42:42 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (If you are a Patriotic Conservative Christian Capitalist, I invite you to visit my Profile)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not ready for prime time Cain. Hey, how about talking up gun control again? You’re on a roll.


33 posted on 06/09/2011 1:42:48 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Grunthor
If you are straight, can you “choose” to be gay tomorrow for a day, have homosexual relations and then “choose” to switch back the following day?

Well, if you get drunk enough, you're ability to choose becomes impaired and there's no telling where you're going to put your junk. Hell, you might even hit THIS if you've had enough to drink.

muhahahahahahahahahahaha

34 posted on 06/09/2011 1:44:04 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (I'm called a 'teabagger'? Well, get over here liberal and I'll show you what that means.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good for him. Steer queer of liberalism.


35 posted on 06/09/2011 1:45:03 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (r e p e n t o r b e s a d)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’ll probably pull a handful of votes from Santorum’s three handfuls of votes, but I’d guess it also immediately puts an upper ceiling on Cain’s rise.


36 posted on 06/09/2011 1:45:45 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Nonstatist

RE: Not ready for prime time Cain.

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How should a GOP candidate who IS ready for Prime Time respond when asked about his views on Homosexuality (in the same manner they asked Herman Cain )?


37 posted on 06/09/2011 1:46:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Nea Wood

RE: Most gays and liberals wouldn’t vote for him on that basis alone.

Except maybe for the Log Cabin Republicans.


38 posted on 06/09/2011 1:47:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: JimRed

good point. I’ll remember that.


39 posted on 06/09/2011 1:47:58 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: no dems

“I’ve counseled many homosexuals who say: “I can remember having same sex attractions in Elementary School”. What do you say to that?”

You could say that you had the urge to steal stuff from other kids when you were in elementary school — but you made a choice to NOT steal because it’s wrong to steal.

You could say that pedophiles have an urge to do what pedophiles do, and have been attracted to children since they were teenagers. Is that OK, too, just because there’s an attraction?

Why are homosexual special, in that their urges condoned, and even encouraged? We all are tempted to do immoral things, but we control ourselves. Why can’t they?


40 posted on 06/09/2011 1:50:29 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: no dems

You say to them that they’ve had a mental illness for a long time.


41 posted on 06/09/2011 1:56:10 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Any act is by definition a choice. The urge is irrelevant.

I bet the urge is relevant to the guy or girl who wishes they did not have the urge. If we take the assumption that normal attraction is a man attracted to a woman and a woman attracted to a man, does it not seem possible that some "abnormal" acting brain may in fact have a more feminine thinking brain in a man or a more masculine thinking brain in a woman? Abnormalities occur all the time in every organ in the human body. What makes the brain less susceptible to abnormalities?
42 posted on 06/09/2011 1:56:56 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: isthisnickcool

True 1.5%, but surveys show that the populace believe that the homosexuals = 25%, proving that the public schools have done their job of indoctrinating kids, very well.


43 posted on 06/09/2011 1:58:24 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Progressivism, Support Palin, or get used to it.)
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To: Grunthor
At what age did you “choose” to be straight? To have sexual relations with the opposite sex only? If you are straight, can you “choose” to be gay tomorrow for a day, have homosexual relations and then “choose” to switch back the following day?

In this context, "choice," means chosing to have homosexual relations, not choosing whether or not you're attracted to the same sex. But even in that, I suspect there's an element of choice among homosexuals. As an example, no one "chooses" to walk on two legs; it's something that happens naturally in a normal human context. But someone who desires to go outside the bounds of that normality by deliberately walking on all fours does so by choice.

44 posted on 06/09/2011 1:58:27 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whether you agtree with him or not- I LOVE THAT HE SPEAKS HIS MIND AND GIVES STRAIGHT ANSWERS

I am of the opposite camp- I have a family member who is gay and everyone in the family knew it from very early on- it IS genetic, I am 100% convinced.


45 posted on 06/09/2011 1:59:33 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Petrosius

My thought as well. Glad to see Cain speak out against homosexuality.


46 posted on 06/09/2011 1:59:43 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope this helps Cain. I like him and I support him, although I will vote for whomever is nominated. I agree with this talking point. Obama just declared June to be LGBT awareness month. I do not agree that people are “born” gay and nowhere else in the animal kingdom is there gay behavior. Propagation of the species is the second strongest instinctual drive; the strongest being survival. Bravo for Cain to have the guts to come out and make such a statement in public.


47 posted on 06/09/2011 1:59:43 PM PDT by flyingtabby (I am the Conservative your Hippie Friends Warned you About..........)
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To: no dems

What Cain is doing; is setting the bar very high for other conservatives. He knows others will be asked the same question about homo’s and muslims.

How will the others answer...are they for the truth or will PC will out.


48 posted on 06/09/2011 2:00:01 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: no dems
The Homosexual Gene Study was DEBUNKED. The Born this Way Homosexual philosophy is founded on a lie.

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/born-gay-hoax-studies-debunked/

"Immediately after the Hamer study was published a media explosion ensued, but like the Hypothalamus study before it, Hamer’s study was soon to be discredited as both biased and corrupt. In fact, the title of an article appearing in the same-gender sex magazine, New York Native, illustrates this fact well. The article is titled:

“‘Gay Gene’ Research Doesn’t Hold Under Scrutiny, Chicago Tribune’s John Crewdson Uncovers Possible Scientific Misconduct by NCI Researcher.” (New York Native, 7-10-95, p.25)

First, the article informs the reader of the following:

“In addition to the political and social firestorm Hamer’s research has ignited, he has also been criticized by numerous scientists for not performing what seems to be an obvious control experiment: examining the genes of heterosexual brothers. Those scientists, including two prominent geneticist/biologists at Harvard University [Richard Lewontin and Ruth Hubbard], were not government researchers.” (New York Native 7-10-95, p.28)

“Even worse for Hamer, the National Institute of Health’s Office of Research Integrity is now investigating his ‘gay gene’ research, according to Crewdson. The inquiry concerns allegations that Hamer was selective about which data he chose to report (i.e., that he ignored data that didn’t support his contention that homosexuality is genetically determined).

The data manipulation was reported to NIH’s integrity office by a junior researcher who performed research crucial to Hamer’s claimed discovery, according to Crewdson.” (New York Native 7-10-95, p.28, emphasis mine)

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/born-gay-hoax-studies-debunked/ It's like the Environmentalist Hockey Puck Graph - DEBUNKED!

49 posted on 06/09/2011 2:01:14 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: CelesteChristi

Alissa Milano letting her hair down for me. Next question?


50 posted on 06/09/2011 2:01:54 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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