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College bans national anthem at sporting events (Goshen College -- Oh Say, You Can't Sing!)
Hotair ^ | 06/09/2011 | Tina Korbe

Posted on 06/09/2011 1:22:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A small liberal arts college with a strong pacifist tradition recently banned the national anthem at sporting events, after some students, faculty and alumni complained the song glorifies war (h/t Fox News’ “America Live” today). The Chronicle of Higher Education reports:

Fifteen months after Goshen College began allowing “The Star-Spangled Banner” to be played at sporting events, the institution’s board of directors has suspended the practice in response to complaints. … The board of the Mennonite liberal-arts college has asked its president to come up with a song “that fits with sports tradition, that honors country and that resonates with Goshen College’s core values and respects the views of diverse constituencies,” according to a press release.

School representatives say this suspend-and-replace policy is not actually a ban — but they have also said the Star Spangled Banner doesn’t fit the founding principles of Goshen College.

In a Facebook message posted Wednesday afternoon, Indiana’s Goshen College distanced itself from rumors that it had “banned” the playing of “The Star Spangled Banner” at sports games because the lyrics were “violent.”

“Goshen College HAS NOT ‘banned’ the National Anthem. The Board HAS asked President James E. Brenneman to find an alternative to playing the Star-Spangled Banner that fits with sports tradition,” the message clarified. …

Goshen College initially issued a statement Tuesday to Fox radio stating, “Historically, playing the national anthem has not been among Goshen College’s practices because of our Christ-centered core value of compassionate peacemaking seeming to be in conflict with the anthem’s militaristic language.”

I disagree that the Star Spangled Banner glorifies war. Certainly, it suggests some things are worth fighting for — and maybe Mennonites disagree even with that — but it doesn’t glamorize the fight. If anything, the lyrics convey just what fear must pervade a night of battle, what relief must come with the dawn. To see the flag only intermittently by the glare of rockets sounds terrifying — not at all like an experience I’m itching to have. The additional, mostly unsung verses only add to the heavy impression. One line says: “The foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes.” Another mentions “the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion.” The final verse refers to peace as a blessing.

But while I disagree with the school’s decision, I somehow can’t bring myself to reduce this story to one about a battle with the PC police — because it also touches on religious freedom. The conservative cowgirl in me — you know, that part of a conservative that says “rid the world of lawlessness, but, for the most part, let people be” (credit to writer Ross McCullough for that concept) — says the school certainly has the prerogative to play or not play whatever songs it chooses. It is, after all, a private school run by the Mennonite Church USA. But I still hope school officials are aware of how closely their pacifism seems to resemble paranoia and how far it seems from patriotism: The version of the national anthem the school used before the ban was already instrumental-only.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: college; goshen; nationalanthem

1 posted on 06/09/2011 1:22:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The board of the Mennonite liberal-arts college has asked its president to come up with a song “that fits with sports tradition, that honors country and that resonates with Goshen College’s core values

The Internationale?

2 posted on 06/09/2011 1:27:08 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh....dont sports have “offense”,”defense”,and “special teams”....will they ban the “blitz”..”the long bomb”??

Dont Ball teams keep track of “hits”?

Will they get rid of “gaurd” positions?

Will they ban games played with “sticks” wearing “helmets” and “gauntlets”??

or B

is this simply another, in a long record of, usurpation and infection by the America hating libtard religious left...and the gullible menninites get played for suckers...

I’m going with B.


3 posted on 06/09/2011 1:31:08 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: SeekAndFind

Private school, run by Mennonites.

They are indeed pacifists, and have been so.

I’d give them a pass.

Now, for any public school 1) flying a Mexican “thing” above our flag, 2) banning the pledge, or 3) playing any sort of game indoctrinating 2nd graders about fudge packing...fire them...fire them all.

Heck, let’s just fire any “teacher” that only has a worthless “education” degree and we’ll accomplish more than any other action could.


4 posted on 06/09/2011 1:33:58 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote
"I’d give them a pass."


Well, I wouldn't. AFAIC pacifists are cowards and traitors.

To Hades with this sorry lot and their seditious school.
6 posted on 06/09/2011 1:48:31 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Here you are in the Ninth - two men out and two men on.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How do passivists play sports? Even Red Rover Red Rover has a competitive edge. What sports do they play?


7 posted on 06/09/2011 1:50:50 PM PDT by patriotsoul
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To: Bockscar

8 posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:17 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Here you are in the Ninth - two men out and two men on.)
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Goshen College Bans National Anthem [national anthem is a message that glorifies war and violence]
 
06/08/2011 1:20:41 PM PDT · by SandRat · 42 replies
.com/theology/ ^
Resistance to the national anthem at Goshen College In response to Goshen College’s decision to play the national anthem, Nekeisha and Andy Alexis-Baker wrote an open letter to Goshen College urging them to reconsider their decision, asking anyone who agreed to add their names. As of May 27, 2011, 1541 people signed this letter, and hard copies were sent to the Goshen Board of Directors, who announced June 6, 2011, that they reversed the decision and would no longer play the national anthem. Never before have so many Christians, including pastors, priests, laypersons and theologians from around the world, so...
 

No more national anthem at pacifist Indiana college
 
06/07/2011 10:17:26 AM PDT · by Nachum · 46 replies
WTHR 13 ^ | 6/7/11 | Staff
Goshen - A small northern Indiana college has decided to stop playing "The Star-Spangled Banner" at sporting events after starting to do so for the first time last year. Goshen College's board of directors says it will find an alternative that honors the country and the Mennonite Church-affiliated school's pacifist traditions. The 1,000-student college has been playing an instrumental version of the national anthem, followed by a peace prayer, before games and other events. Some were upset with the school's decision last year because the song's lyrics contain references to using war and military might to defend the country.
 

Goshen College Board of Directors ask for alternative to playing the national anthem
 
06/07/2011 6:56:10 AM PDT · by Newton · 69 replies
Goshen College via Drudgereport ^ | Richard R. Aguirre
GOSHEN, Ind. — The Goshen College Board of Directors announced today that it has asked President James E. Brenneman to find an alternative to playing the Star-Spangled Banner that fits with sports tradition, that honors country and that resonates with Goshen College's core values and respects the views of diverse constituencies. The Board took the action during its regular meeting, June 3-4, and today released a Decision Statement, which is available at www.goshen.edu/anthem. The Board expressed a strong commitment to advancing with President Brenneman the vision for Goshen College to be an influential leader in liberal arts education with a...

9 posted on 06/09/2011 1:55:43 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We should all remember that Dwight D Eisenhower was forced by circumstances to miss the funerals of his Mennonite pacifist father and brother.
He was tied up in Europe responsible for planning that D-Day thingy.


10 posted on 06/09/2011 1:58:29 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: SeekAndFind

What about the teams that they are playing against? Do they have to refrain from singing the national anthem also?


12 posted on 06/09/2011 2:11:34 PM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: SamuraiScot

What has changed at Goshen college from 10 years ago. Back then the trustees saw nothing wrong with playing the national anthem, nor did the founders.

What has changed is that an America-hating phlanx of trustees has imposed their hostile will on an otherwise reputable institution.

It’s all about imposing their will; it’s the key affliction of liberalism/Progressives.


13 posted on 06/09/2011 2:15:19 PM PDT by plangent
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To: SeekAndFind

They need to move to a country that wasn’t founded in some way related to war.


14 posted on 06/09/2011 2:29:36 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SeekAndFind
A small liberal arts college with a strong pacifist tradition recently banned the national anthem at sporting events, after some students, faculty and alumni complained the song glorifies war

I agree with their decision but for a different reason.

I don't believe the national anthem should be demeaned by using it as an opening act to sporting events any more than using the stars and stripes as the starting flag at NASCAR , drag or dirt track racing events.

Throughout the years, many men and women have given their life and limb to preserve the way of life the anthem and flag represent. They are two of only a few things that have survived without too much tarnish over the years and hopefully can be preserved to be seen and heard with dignity at patriotic events of national significance.

15 posted on 06/09/2011 2:34:38 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How can they allow baseball, basketball, soccer, and softball. Those can be very violent. Or do the coaches not allow athletes to contact the opponents?

The lefties have completed their infiltartion of Goshen.


16 posted on 06/09/2011 2:36:14 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Bockscar
Aren't "Shakers" a part of the hip-hop culture?
17 posted on 06/09/2011 2:51:50 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/West 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: SeekAndFind
College bans national anthem at sporting events
IIRC, the playing of the national anthem at sporting events across the country started during WWII.
While I sincerely appreciate the respect, if all sporting venues nationally stopped playing it, I guess I wouldn't be all that upset.
18 posted on 06/09/2011 2:59:03 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Bockscar

Yes, I fully know Shaker movement - sorry, my post was a bit of humor. .


20 posted on 06/09/2011 3:31:06 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/West 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: newfreep

being a graduate of goshen college should look real good on a resume eh ?


21 posted on 06/09/2011 3:34:51 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: SeekAndFind
— but they have also said the Star Spangled Banner doesn’t fit the founding principles of Goshen College.

The Star Spangled Banner only glorifies the victory in war that birthed the greatest and freest nation in the history of the planet. Sorry as hell that it isn't up to high moral standards of these gods among men!

These disingenuous scumbags don't care at all about the song, they HATE AND ARE ATTACKING THE CULTURE THAT IT REPRESENTS. See the tagline

23 posted on 06/09/2011 4:21:43 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: SeekAndFind
ban all federal and state funds from this school.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander

24 posted on 06/09/2011 4:48:58 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: varon
IMO - the National Anthem or God Bless America should be played at every sporting event and assembly. Plus, it should be sung by all present, not by some of these butchers.
25 posted on 06/09/2011 4:53:44 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

From the OP: ‘The additional, mostly unsung verses only add to the heavy impression. One line says: “The foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes.” Another mentions “the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion.” The final verse refers to peace as a blessing.’

I have to say that the line ‘Their blood will wipe out their foul footstep’s pollution’ might be a little hard core for pacifists. On the other hand it is virtually never sung.


26 posted on 06/09/2011 5:03:54 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: varon
I don't believe the national anthem should be demeaned by using it as an opening act to sporting events any more than using the stars and stripes as the starting flag at NASCAR , drag or dirt track racing events.

One of the things I really miss about my Army career is the playing of the National Anthem prior to every movie at the post theater. I never thought that it demeaned the Anthem in any way.

Recently, my son and I got together to see a movie. Afterward, he said to me: "You know, Dad, I still miss standing up for the Star Spangled Banner before the movie starts.

Throughout the years, many men and women have given their life and limb to preserve the way of life the anthem and flag represent. They are two of only a few things that have survived without too much tarnish over the years and hopefully can be preserved to be seen and heard with dignity at patriotic events of national significance.

I don't think it hurts a thing for people to recognize those sacrifices so that they are free to enjoy the incredible amount of leisure time activities and entertainment that those sacrifices made possible.

27 posted on 06/09/2011 5:14:33 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Patriots should just stand and sing the fourth stanza:

"And thus be it ever

When free men shall stand

Between their loved homes

And the war's desolation..."

...and make liars of all the whiney "pacifists"...

28 posted on 06/09/2011 8:57:25 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: plangent
What has changed is that an America-hating phlanx of trustees has imposed their hostile will on an otherwise reputable institution.

If the trustees make a lot of top-down decisions like that against the will of the faculty and college "community," that could give the college problems with its accreditation when it comes up for renewal. Day-to-day affairs are not supposed to be waded into by trustees, because "faculty governance" is the standard in most regions, for a non-profit college. The trustees get their say when they choose the president and approve promotions, pay, and tenure for individual faculty members.

If a significant group of "stakeholders" in the college community—faculty, administration, students, parents, and alumni—believe the trustees have acted against the mission of the college and against the normal governance of the institution, they should say so in a complaint to the accrediting body. The body will send a group to investigate. For a college, a lot depends on accreditation, so a complaint is no joke.

29 posted on 06/10/2011 6:04:30 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
‘Their blood will wipe out their foul footstep’s pollution’ might be a little hard core for pacifists.

There's so much to torture a weenie in just a few lines. How great is the closer of the final verse:

Then conquer we must,

When our cause it is just,

And this be our motto,

'In God is our trust.'

And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave,

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

30 posted on 06/10/2011 6:18:25 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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