How libertarianism helps the poor

I’ll have to look up how long the stat’s have been kept.

odd thing to be proud of

So, no, the Commerce Clause was greatly mutilated and is now unconstitutional because of the misuse. It is no longer reasonable and rational....it is twisted logic.....to control people and actions.(politicians/power for you!!)

Actually, the original understanding of the Commerce Clause is still reasonable and rational. But I agree that it's been misused in the way you describe since the 1930's.

The federal War on Drugs uses the same New Deal Commerce Clause for its existence.

I agree with limited government....we are WAY beyond constitutional since Dewey, Holmes, FDR and Wilson...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you supported the federal War on Drugs. If so, then you are supporting federal laws that you believe violate the Constitution.

Is that not showing contempt for the Constitution?

You live there with children and family that would be exposed to decriminalization?

Commerce Clause meaning and intent has been grossly mutilated... The Natural Law Theory Justice from Wikipedia: “ Justice Clarence Thomas, in a separate concurring opinion, argued that allowing Congress to regulate intrastate, noncommercial activity under the Commerce Clause would confer on Congress a general “police power” over the Nation.”

Right now, YES, I believe in Federal control in the War on Drugs ONLY because we are so unconstitutional now with welfare laws, etc. that people get government money (mine) when they do dysfunctional things, because we are no longer based on God’s Laws and We the People.

In other words, they do not suffer consequences for their drug use....they are picked up from the gutter and do not die...where people would learn really quickly what happens to drug addicts, etc.....kind of the way things happened in the Wild Wild West. If people don’t suffer consequences for their actions it is endorsement of the activity. Give unwed mothers money for having children out of wedlock===Wow!!! You get lots of it. (Cause and effect).

Then you have the Opium trade in China that shows the evil and destruction of a culture that happens when there is no drug law. (I know why Soros wants to legalize it....to push it on the kids and ruin their future, motivation and respect of culture and destroy their brains and make them uninterested in learning true history and the joys of intellectual endeavors. He wants obamabots who copulate all over the place since they’re so vulnerable with “plastic minds” at age 6 (easily shaped into godless idiots by our public schools because of Postmodernism.). Kind of like the Brave New World. He wants sex ed to teach children that there is no moral component to the sex act, so they think of sex as a commodity because of immaturity experiment with all the pederasts, mostly Soros’ friends who are all sick and twisted.

Chambers said it best: God or man. Well, our Constitution was Founded on God’s standards of right and wrong....not Soros’ sick, twisted vision of obamabot slaves.

Libertarian drug policies only will work successfully if the rest of the society is free and has limited government. You can not have ONE section be Libertarian and have it work successfully if the other areas of society aren’t based on Libertarian philosophy. It won’t work...it will create a hellhole deeper than the one we are already in.

I think we should have our gun rights returned to us BEFORE any restrictions on drugs be lifted. AND our rights to use them when our property or bodies are threatened. There are so MANY unconstitutional laws and regulations that we need back to become healthy and responsible citizens again. Drug laws are lower than the more essential gun laws, right for parents to choose schools and teachers... etc. etc. We need the ability to get our kids out of the Marxist PC brainwashing institutions-—where we can again teach absolutes and then...Yes...have no drug laws....the kids will be able to make the intellectually right choice because they will have knowledge based on reason and logic. Why would they want to damage their bodies when they have the Truth and a loving family support system.

Responsible, virtuous people need no laws.

Actually, the war on the constitution wrought by the war on some drugs is an odd thing to ne proud of. Were I a drug warrior, I know I’d be too shamed to show my face... which may well help explain their addiction to ski masks when they bust down doors, kill family pets and terrorize families.

Right now, YES, I believe in Federal control in the War on Drugs ONLY because we are so unconstitutional now with welfare laws, etc. that people get government money (mine) when they do dysfunctional things, because we are no longer based on God’s Laws and We the People.

Wow! That's some pretty cloudy reasoning. The so-called "War on Drugs" is a mockery of two travesties of a sham.

Having said that, federal and state governments have every right to impose drug testing on welfare recipients.

My own state of Florida recently passed such a law, and I am all for it, while still being staunchly against fascist War on Drugs itself...

You are now on record as supporting laws that you believe violate the Constitution.

There is a method for fedgov to deal with national problems without cheating on the Commerce Clause. It's called amending the Constitution. If there's an emergent situation, fedgov is authorized to deal with invasions, rebellions or insurrections.

You, however, advocate fedgov violating the Commerce Clause to inject federal power for your particular cause.

Your display of contempt for the Constitution is an example that would do a Lefty proud.

We have to eliminate the welfare state....that is the problem and it is so unconstitutional.

The War on Drugs is a fiasco because We the People have had our gun rights and rights to protect our person and property taken away from us. We need a police force to do it NOW....That shouldn’t be necessary. We should be able to protect ourselves.

My point was—since you didn’t read the whole post—is that when we get back to the original intent and meaning of the Constitution...then, yes, we can get rid of the drug laws....IF there is NO welfare state.

Most importantly...we need to get back to local parental control of the schools which bans the DOE and all communist pushing unions. Parents have the fundamental right to control the worldview and information that is given to their children, and this brainwashing into the irrational Postmodern philosophy is destroying the intellectual development of the children. Public schools are putting out “group think” idiots (intentionally-—BK Eakman)

Before we make drugs legal we have to get the kids out of the “group think” indoctrination centers so they will once again, like many decades ago, make really healthy, responsible choices. If they don’t....well, it will be their church and family that pick up the pieces, as it used to be.

Government regulations and interference have made medical care and education go sky high. Get them OUT of the way.. Let the people make the decisions....

Libertarian drug policies will not work when you have an ignorant, uneducated, irresponsible, government-dependent people who are treated like babies by the State— which we have today —thanks to the indoctrination centers Dewey instilled in the 30’s and the fascism/Marxism in our institutions today.

Wrong. Your logic is baffling.

I am talking about the intent and meaning of the Commerce Clause when it was written....that is what the law is. All the courts are allowed to do is interpret that meaning and intent....not change it on a whim (like they have done).

If they amend it....then, yes, it changes. And if they stick to its intent and meaning, then they are within their Constitutional Rights.

So, sorry, I am a strict Constitutionalist, far from a “lefty”. And, unlike so many Holmsian Postmoderns, I do not believe it is a “living, breathing document”. Those lefties believe they can make it mean anything they want....which is what they are doing.....making up law. There is no Rule of Law then....totally unconstitutional.

I am talking about the intent and meaning of the Commerce Clause when it was written....that is what the law is. All the courts are allowed to do is interpret that meaning and intent....not change it on a whim (like they have done).

That's exactly what the New Deal Commerce Clause did. It radically altered the extent of federal power from its original intent.

And yet you support that very violation for your pet cause.

If they amend it....then, yes, it changes. And if they stick to its intent and meaning, then they are within their Constitutional Rights.

The Drug War depends on fedgov violating the original intent and meaning of the Commerce Clause. You support that violation. That is known as contempt for the Constitution.

So, sorry, I am a strict Constitutionalist, far from a "lefty". And, unlike so many Holmsian Postmoderns, I do not believe it is a "living, breathing document". Those lefties believe they can make it mean anything they want....which is what they are doing.....making up law. There is no Rule of Law then....totally unconstitutional.

Your claim of being a 'strict Constitutionalist' is absurd. You support laws that violate the original Constitution. You rationalize it, yes. But you still support violating it.

Living in the hood rules. I haven’t had any problems and all the homies know me. It helps that I have a minister who lives across the street and the homies don’t want to do anything to piss off the reverend.

True, but as I say to my conservative friends all the time, we can debate our differences in a civilized forum later. Right now, though, we have more important battles to fight against the Marxists and the Islamists. We cannot afford divisions in our ranks while the fate of civilization is on the line.

Pardon me for believing that your time would be better served debating goofy libertarian ideas with your libertarian friends in Narnia or on lp.org or just about anywhere else but here. Your intentions seem to be in the right place, but libertarians are like inlaws: The mind their manners for a while, but inevitably we find the majority of them here pushing their own agenda. Can you honestly say you have never attacked drug laws, or defense of marriage, or defended non-Conservatives like Ron Paul on this conservative website? If all of you would do the right thing and leave here, I have no doubt that you have the numbers for a robust site of your own. And my problem is not that I want complete agreement here (check my posting history: I have disagreed with 80% of the 7000 articles I've posted), my problem is that (present company excluded) the vast majority of libertarians on FR are under the delusion that they are actually conservative.

Again, this is a CONSERVATIVE, not a REPUBLICAN website. If your sole interest here are the battles with the Marxists and Islamists (still on board with the Iraq War Mr. Libertarian?), fine. But somehow I doubt anyone can stay that focused.

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