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States: "Help Us, Criminal Illegals Swamp Budgets, Prisons"
Townhall.com ^ | June 10, 2011 | John Ransom

Posted on 06/10/2011 6:49:27 AM PDT by Kaslin

The General Accounting Office estimates that as of 2009 there were currently about 350,000 criminal aliens in U.S. prisons, “the majority from Mexico.” At $30,000 per year, per inmate, that’s $11 billion annually, with most of the costs born by the states.  

While not all of the criminal aliens are here illegally, criminal illegals are putting a strain on budgets, especially in the states with large illegal immigration populations such as Arizona, Colorado, California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

Not coincidentally, many of those same states are facing the largest budget shortfalls for fiscal year 2011 and 2012, including New York and California. Some estimate state budget shortfalls of over $100 billion in 2012 across state governments in the U.S.

In California, it’s estimated that prisoners who are illegal immigrants cost the state at least $1 billion per year just to keep them in prison.

Across the country, states' governments are shouldering both the growing financial burden of keeping criminal illegal aliens in jail and the growing law enforcement burden of securing the community from the crimes of illegal aliens in the face of hostility from the executive branch of the federal government.  

Corrections.com trumpets the problem as “Foreign Inmates Busting Budgets.”

"There's no question illegal immigration continues to be a large and costly problem in California and around the nation," Rep. Kevin McCarthy, a Republican from CA-22, told Bakersfield’s Eyewitness News. "The first and most important step to addressing this problem is securing our border. The federal government can and should do more to ensure our border is secure, including more physical barriers, border patrol and electronic surveillance."

The Denver Post reports that foreign-born inmates are the fastest growing segment of the prison population in the Mile High state. The number in U.S. Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detainers in Colorado prisons “have more than doubled in 10 years from 680 to 1,500, said Tom Clements, executive director of the state Department of Corrections,” according to the Post.

"That's huge," Clements emphasized.

As the economy continues to stumble, states are getting pinched hard by the federal government because they refuse to address immigration reform.

In Colorado, Attorney General John Suthers estimates that the cost to house prisoners in the U.S. illegally was $58 million in 2008.

“At the time, the federal government's State Criminal Alien Assistance Program reimbursed Colorado $3.3 million, or about 6 percent of the state's costs,” says the Post. “The amount has since dropped to $2.9 million even as the number of foreign inmates continues to rise.”

These costs have likely grown since 2008 even while federal assistance has dropped.

In California, both Democrats and Republicans are asking President Obama to fund what Colorado’s AG, John Suthers, decries as just another unfunded mandate by the federal government.

"To receive less than full reimbursement for the use of state facilities to house illegal immigrants is an unacceptable, unfunded federal mandate," Suthers said according to the Post.

In California, Democrat Congressman Jim Costa said that "California cannot and should not have to shoulder this burden alone," according to Bakersfield Now. He called upon the federal government to fully fund the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program to help reimburse the costs of detaining illegal immigrants who have committed crimes.

But even fully funded, the program just transfers the burden across the country into the wallets of taxpayers from all of the states rather than addressing the issue in any substantive way.

The costs are not just financial either.

In California, the feds have ordered that 33,000 prisoners be released to relieve over-crowding in state prisons. Bakersfield Now estimates that about 20,000 of the states’ 162,000 prisoners are in the U.S. illegally. In other words, they make up about 60 percent of the overcrowding in California prisons while accounting for 13 percent of the prisons’ population.

While it’s unclear how California will comply with the ruling to release prisoners, it’s clear that they will not be able to deport illegal immigrants discharged from prison under the ruling. Instead, they can either be released on parole or can be turned over to the U.S. Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for deportation.

In Texas, “[l]aw enforcement and prison officials have complained that many of the convicts who are paroled to be deported are never sent home, and they end up committing new crimes and getting rearrested,” says the Statesman.com.

That’s in part because under a Supreme Court ruling Clark v. Martinez, ICE can only hold criminal illegal aliens for six months if the convict can’t be repatriated to another country.

“Because of the way current law is written, recent Supreme Court rulings have required dangerous criminal immigrants to be released into our communities,” says Lamar Smith a Texas Republican who is chair of the House Judiciary Committee and a member of the Tea Party Caucus. “All too often these criminal immigrants have gone on to commit more crimes.”

Instead, Smith is proposing that the Department of Homeland Security be authorized to detain criminal illegal immigrants if they can’t be deported, especially if the criminal “either is an aggravated felon or has committed a crime of violence.”

“Just because a criminal immigrant cannot be returned to their home country does not mean they should be allowed back on our streets,” says Smith. “If dangerous criminal immigrants cannot be deported, they should be detained. There is no excuse for placing American lives at risk.”

There is no excuse at all.

The violations of law and trust by King George III in Parliament pales in comparison to the loss of trust as a result of the non-enforcement of immigration laws, especially as it relates to criminal illegal aliens.

If we can't get the government to agree that at a minumum we shouldn't be releasing criminal illegal aliens back into our communities, I have no idea why we have a federal government in the first place.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliendemocrats; aliens; broke; california; crimaliens; criminalaliens; criminalillegals; debt; democrats; illegalimmigration; immigration; liberalfascism; noamnestyforillegals; obama; obamavoters; rickperry; sanctuarycities; taxes; texas
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1 posted on 06/10/2011 6:49:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“The System Is Working.”


2 posted on 06/10/2011 6:51:15 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Kaslin

Put them on a chain gang and have them pick vegetables and the other jobs Americans don’t want to do. Let them pay for themselves.


3 posted on 06/10/2011 6:53:41 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Kaslin

"I can't hear youuuuu"

4 posted on 06/10/2011 6:53:43 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Kaslin
Every time I read about States calling on D.C. for money I think of what “Ike” said when he was prez, “People think the Federal Government is a cow that eats grass in Heaven and can be milked on earth.” (paraphrased).
5 posted on 06/10/2011 6:53:57 AM PDT by hfr (So much for Hamilton's federalism, democracry took over.)
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To: Kaslin
California should not carry the burden alone?????

BULL!!! California is a self inflicted wound. They spend billions every year to support these illegals. Let California rot in its own garbage. They created the problem. Let them suffer the consequences. My home state, Alabama, is taking steps on illegals. California just welcomes them more and more, for the votes. Which is stupid as the communists already control the Soviet satellite state of Kaliforniastan.

6 posted on 06/10/2011 6:57:50 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy

The Peoples’ Republik of Kalifornia is a petri dish for all these ‘pathogens’


7 posted on 06/10/2011 7:01:25 AM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Kaslin

What a great system! Have other people pay to increase your voter base.


8 posted on 06/10/2011 7:03:15 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kaslin
"California cannot and should not have to shoulder this burden alone,"

get your sanctuary cities to pay for them

9 posted on 06/10/2011 7:05:40 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for posting. I sent this to my Congressmen (I recently discovered Congress.org which saves me a lot of time) along with my solution:

1)deport or imprison ALL illegal aliens,including their anchor babies

2) send Mexico a bill for housing their scum in our prisons

3)seal/secure the border with armed troops, a wall and a fence

4)have a lethal response to anyone who tries to re-enter illegally


10 posted on 06/10/2011 7:08:59 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Kaslin

Criminal illegals?
As opposed to NON-Criminal Illegals?.............


11 posted on 06/10/2011 7:11:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: hfr

States give up their freedom for reach fed dollar accepted


12 posted on 06/10/2011 7:24:39 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin

An easy fix for this is the Joe Arpaio solution.

Set up tent prisons in the desert near the border. They are much cheaper than “brick prisons”, and by international law, “military field conditions” are *not* “cruel and unusual”.

Each prison would have its own federal immigration judge, to hear the merits of each case before ordering deportation. It would also have a processing trailer to insure that detailed biometric data was collected from every illegal alien prior to deportation.

Then, any illegal alien prisoner who had committed a serious misdemeanor or felony crime in the US would be permanently barred from reentry. Returning after such a bar is a serious multi-year felony offense.

I would also include a process used by the State of Arizona. Since just south of the border is an ultra-violent killing field, Arizona has taken to flying illegal immigrants direct to Mexico City. The illegals are far happier about this, and it serves the dual purpose of being about 1200 miles to the US border, so it is much harder for them to return to the US.

The benefits of doing all of this is first, clearing our brick jails and prisons of illegal aliens who have about concluded their sentences, thus saving States millions of dollars. Secondly, isolated tent prisons in the desert near the border need minimal security, because there is nowhere to go to on foot.

Third, since they are going to be deported anyway, and this is important, many of them will vie for *voluntary* repatriation, so can be put right on the plane. This will expedite the process considerably.


13 posted on 06/10/2011 8:16:44 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kaslin

Non-enforcement of immigration laws.Another gift from congress. /S


14 posted on 06/10/2011 8:22:01 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


15 posted on 06/10/2011 8:29:08 AM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: Kaslin
...350,000 criminal aliens in U.S. prisons, “the majority from Mexico.” At $30,000 per year, per inmate, that’s $11 billion annually...

I'm speechless...

16 posted on 06/10/2011 8:32:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: RetiredArmy

You’re retired military; how do you not see that California was invaded and colonized against the will of her American citizens? And YOUR federal government and YOUR military, never lifted a finger to stop it?

The Federal government claims as its sole purview everything that would have helped California defend herself: internal deportation, closing the border; ending birthright citizenship; citizenship requirements for welfare benefits; citizenship requirements for public schooling; and workplace citizenship verification.

Californians enacted EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things early on in the invasion, either administratively or at the ballot box, and the Federal Government slapped them all down. Court verdicts were clear: the Federal government won’t deport them, so California MUST support them. And we have. And it’s bankrupted us.

Meanwhile, the rest of the American states yawned. THEIR states weren’t on the front lines of the invasion, so let California twist in the wind.

Now we’ve been thoroughly colonized, and the invaders and second generation spawn control the state government through ballot box numbers. Is it still our fault?

I don’t understand why so many Americans are petulantly and childishly okay with surrendering an American state to a foreign country. It’s craven and shameful. Does it make you feel better to blame Californians for your abandoning us? Are you jealous of our weather? I just don’t get it.

Please report back to FR after your home state of Alabama gets dragged into court over your immigration self-defense measures — you know, the ones California enacted twenty years ago — and your self-righteous, historically ignorant fat head is handed to you by your Federal government.


17 posted on 06/10/2011 8:36:50 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Kaslin

Well we will just have to change the law that prohibits prostitution..so they can keep doing “work” no American wants to do


18 posted on 06/10/2011 9:18:14 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Kaslin

The feds will release them in order to create the chaos and destruction needed to bring about hope and change


19 posted on 06/10/2011 9:26:51 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Kaslin
The General Accounting Office estimates that as of 2009 there were currently about 350,000 criminal aliens in U.S. prisons, “the majority from Mexico.” At $30,000 per year, per inmate, that’s $11 billion annually, with most of the costs born by the states.

I wonder if John McCain used that in his calculations for cheap lettuce.

20 posted on 06/10/2011 9:28:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Blue Ink

This fellow Californian says amen!!! Thanks for a great post.


21 posted on 06/10/2011 9:56:01 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: Kaslin

Being an illegal alien should be a MAJOR aggravating circumstance to any crime.


22 posted on 06/10/2011 10:03:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kaslin
Kali has made a conscious decision to be a sanctuary state. What the hell are they crying about?
23 posted on 06/10/2011 10:06:55 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Kaslin

The feds do seem to be working against the states, more and more lately. I wonder what can really be done about that - especially since all the fed revenue comes from the states?


24 posted on 06/10/2011 10:12:44 AM PDT by existentialist
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To: existentialist

tent cities should be established all along the border. Sheriff Joe can explain how to set it up.


25 posted on 06/10/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Blue Ink

You make some interesting points ...but still, I have little sympathy for Californians. (I lived in CA from 1965 to 1975 ..and don’t want to go back!).

Consider how the Indiana Supreme Court - under INTENSE pressure will reconsider its STUPID decision that is a clear violation of the 4th amendment (homeowners have no legal right to resist an improper or illegal home invasion of police storm troopers.) The public outcry awoke the justices that there was a tremendous over-reach.

Had the people of the state of CA “revolted” when the 9th Circus had ruled the Prop. 187 to be unconstitutional ...and when Governor Gray Davis decided to stop appeals to the Supreme Court ...basically letting him know he would be impeached/tarred and feathered for his decision - then maybe Prop. 187 would have been held constitutional. If enough taxpayers had done everything possible to “go on strike” such that state revenues dried up - then the message might have gotten out. If the taxpayers had gone “Alinksy” on the 9th Circus judges ...picketing the court, picketing their houses, threatening all sorts of legal civil disobedience ...maybe they would have gotten the message.

But - CA slept and allowed it to happen. The 9th Circus meets in SF, and the judges live in the area. Make it hurt them. The Governor should have been pressured too. So - CA lost the battle by not engaging in the battle. Makes it tough every where else too.

And it is still not too late for CA residents to “Go Galt” or “Go Alinsky” - leave the state, go “underground” as much as possible to starve the beast....to let it be known - “no business as usual” until they fix the F’d up system!


26 posted on 06/10/2011 10:40:13 AM PDT by Vineyard
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To: Vineyard

You’re saying Californians are suckers for not taking up arms against the state and illegally assuming the immigration enforcement duties of the Federal Government. Thanks for the great advice I’m sure you would have followed under similar circumstances!

You lived here. How do you not understand that the citizen electorate of California has no power. We can’t help ourselves. We. Are. Occupied. By. A. Foreign. Country.

“California lost the battle by not engaging?” Really? States are forbidden to wage war or conduct foreign policy — both of which are the only ways to repel a foreign invasion. “Picketing the court?” Do you have any idea how fatuous and lame that sounds?

I love that the very states who never acknowledge their complicity in the unchallenged annexation and colonization of an American state are always full of sage advice about what to do now. Go Galt. Just leave our state to the invaders. Smirk, shrug, screw California, you slept and did nothing, ha ha ha, etc.

Well, get this: it’s your fault. I don’t care what state you live in now. We made a deal, a compact, in 1776 and you and rest of the states have reneged. You’ve utterly betrayed California by not fulfilling your Constitutional mandate to repel foreign invasion and in short have each other’s back. Thanks! And thanks for the advice to picket judges and the governor’s office! That’ll get ‘er done!


27 posted on 06/10/2011 1:04:29 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I say screw deporting criminal aliens. Make the punishment for felonies committed while illegally in the US, life in prison at hard labor, with no possibility of parole.

See how fast the illegals self-deport back to Mexico.

Until we make the punishment much, MUCH worse than the crime, this behavior will just continue. If our state and federal governments don’t do something effective to put a stop to this invasion, human nature will. And it ain’t gonna be pretty.


28 posted on 06/10/2011 1:13:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RetiredArmy; Kaslin
BULL!!! California is a self inflicted wound. They spend billions every year to support these illegals. Let California rot in its own garbage. They created the problem.

While you and others in Alabama were gawking, years ago CA overwhelmingly passed prop 187 which was to put a stop all tax paid/supported benefits to illegals.

Your Federal government in concert with their state government co-conspirators, declared CA free election illegal and burned the ballots.

The direct results of that massive government control and intrusion can now been seen coast to coast.

It was the last President, supported by Alabama, that called Americans who with a belly full of lawless borders, "Vigilantes".

I support Alabama's recent endeavors regarding illegals, but the record needs to be set straight here.

29 posted on 06/10/2011 1:18:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blue Ink

Great post, Blue. As a native Californian, I can vouch for everything you said.

We the people did everything we could, short of full-scale rebellion, to push back against being colonized, but our will was overturned by our betters in the federal government, again and again.

Now the invasion has reached epidemic proportions all across the US. We’re long past the pot calling the kettle black. Our nation needs to unite against this scourge, and put an end to it.


30 posted on 06/10/2011 1:18:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RetiredArmy
BULL!!! California is a self inflicted wound. They spend billions every year to support these illegals. Let California rot in its own garbage.

BTW, I couldn't help notice you said nothing about states such as Texas, where Parkland Hospital in Dallas is home to nearly 1000 anchor babies per MONTH...All on the tax payers dime. That's just one single hospital in Texas.

31 posted on 06/10/2011 1:24:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blue Ink

cry me a river


32 posted on 06/10/2011 1:37:51 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: Blue Ink

cry me a river


33 posted on 06/10/2011 1:38:36 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy; Blue Ink
cry me a river

Blue Ink attemtped to educate you. You're just too ignorant to realize it, or for whatever your motive, you simply refuse to acknowledged the facts.

34 posted on 06/10/2011 1:40:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blue Ink

YOU elected Davis, Brown, Brown again, Brown again and Arnold. You got what you voted for. You legislature is dim dominated. You got what you voted for. Don’t like the results? Move.


35 posted on 06/10/2011 1:41:33 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: dragnet2

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


36 posted on 06/10/2011 1:42:21 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy; Blue Ink
You’re retired military; how do you not see that California was invaded and colonized against the will of her American citizens? And YOUR federal government and YOUR military, never lifted a finger to stop it?

The Federal government claims as its sole purview everything that would have helped California defend herself: internal deportation, closing the border; ending birthright citizenship; citizenship requirements for welfare benefits; citizenship requirements for public schooling; and workplace citizenship verification.

Californians enacted EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things early on in the invasion, either administratively or at the ballot box, and the Federal Government slapped them all down. Court verdicts were clear: the Federal government won’t deport them, so California MUST support them. And we have. And it’s bankrupted us.

Meanwhile, the rest of the American states yawned. THEIR states weren’t on the front lines of the invasion, so let California twist in the wind.

Now we’ve been thoroughly colonized, and the invaders and second generation spawn control the state government through ballot box numbers. Is it still our fault?

I don’t understand why so many Americans are petulantly and childishly okay with surrendering an American state to a foreign country. It’s craven and shameful. Does it make you feel better to blame Californians for your abandoning us? Are you jealous of our weather? I just don’t get it.

Please report back to FR after your home state of Alabama gets dragged into court over your immigration self-defense measures — you know, the ones California enacted twenty years ago — and your self-righteous, historically ignorant fat head is handed to you by your Federal government.

BTW, I couldn't help notice you said nothing about states such as Texas, where Parkland Hospital in Dallas is home to nearly 1000 anchor babies per MONTH...All on the tax payers dime. That's just one single hospital in Texas.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

A response the moron lobby would be proud of.

37 posted on 06/10/2011 1:47:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: All
Here's one way to proceed against illegals----In 1996, Congress expanded the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) to include violations of federal immigration law.

1 While this expansion may not have received much publicity, it could potentially change the face of U.S. immigration law enforcement. Under the new RICO provisions, a violation of certain provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) meets the definition of racketeering activity, also known as a "predicate offense,"

2 and an entity that engages in a pattern of racketeering activity for financial gain can be held both criminally and civilly liable.

3 Among other things, the INA makes it unlawful to encourage illegal immigration or employ illegal aliens,

4 which violations were included as predicate offenses under RICO.

The 1996 law changes in the INA made hiring illegal aliens a predicate act of racketeering activity under RICO, but illegal hiring wasn’t the only violation of the INA made a predicate act. Other INA prohibitions made RICO predicate acts were encouraging or inducing illegal immigration, smuggling, and harboring illegal aliens.10 Together, these additions make the RICO Act potentially a very strong new tool in the hands of private parties against persons and companies that profit by violating U.S. immigration law.

Additionally, the RICO provision regarding the unlawful encouragement of illegal immigration could justify a suit against a private entity, such as a bank, that accepts foreign-issued identification cards that are only needed by illegal aliens. One example of this, of course, is the matricula consular issued by the Mexican consulates in the United States. Since both the supporters of the matricula and those who oppose its acceptance agree that only illegal aliens have need to rely on the card, acceptance of the card knowingly encourages illegal immigration. Part of the legislative intent of the RICO laws in general was to afford private citizens a remedy for lawbreaking when authorities normally charged with such enforcement became derelict in their duties.

For example, in a town in which political corruption and racketeering activity have combined to the detriment of law-abiding citizens and the rule of law, the RICO Act was intended to provide private citizens the ability to initiate court action to compel enforcement and respect for the law.

38 posted on 06/10/2011 2:07:47 PM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Kaslin

illegals cannot be much of problem in Calif.They went ahead and passed their own dream act offering illegals in state tuition. Calif can now reap what they sowed. They wanted illegals there and now they got them and I don’t feel sorry for them at all. They should be careful what they wish for.


39 posted on 06/10/2011 2:41:13 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: RetiredArmy

Please explain in detail how the CA governor and legislature are empowered to repel a foreign invasion (hint: they’re not.)

Look, I get it. You illogically and mistakenly blame CA state elected officials for the colonization and annexation of a sovereign American state because you can’t handle the fact that this is the fault of whatever state you live in, as well as the other 49. YOU got what YOU voted for: the Federal government of the United States of America. Your Senate and your House of Representatives sat back and did nothing. Your military had their hands tied.

Deal with it. We have to.


40 posted on 06/10/2011 3:54:49 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: dragnet2
Have you seen the new State State Insurance “Like a Good Neighbor State Farm is there!” The new one with LeBron James. At the end of the commercial James sings that tune and says “with a tiny violin.” Then he begins to play said violin. Now, . . . . visualize.
41 posted on 06/10/2011 6:21:23 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Ya ya my boo boo State Farm instead of State State, but you knew what I meant since you seemed to know everything else around.


42 posted on 06/10/2011 6:22:18 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Put down the bottle...


43 posted on 06/10/2011 6:24:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blue Ink
I don't have to deal with it. If you are from Kalifornistan, then you voted for it. You got it. If you don't like it, move. You are NEVER going to get the state back. It is too far down said toilet now to come back. You could raise the Titanic easier than bail out Kaliforniastan.
44 posted on 06/10/2011 6:24:53 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: dragnet2

Sorry pal. I don’t drink. I don’t use drugs. I don’t like liberals. Since you are from one of the most liberal states in the union and is dragging this nation deeper down, go talk to someone that gives a tinker. I don’t. End of conversation. You are not worth the sweat. Go back to DU. You are better suited there with the whining.


45 posted on 06/10/2011 6:26:53 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy

You’ve been told repeatedly whats up on this thread, yet you totally evaded all that.

Seem my tag line.


46 posted on 06/10/2011 6:28:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RetiredArmy

WHAT exactly is it that you keep insisting we voted for? To have a separate nation of Mexican nationals colonize California and solidify political, police, economic, and cultural control over entire cities?

I didn’t vote for that. I don’t know anyone who did. I don’t even remember that election. This catastrophe was done TO us.

Do you also blame Hawaii for Pearl Harbor? New York for 9/11?

You just don’t know what to do about it. Or you’re lazy. Or both.

Whether the situation can be turned around is a separate argument. Actually, it’s not. All the states are responsible for the utter abrogation of America’s Southern border. Only all the states working together can fix it.


47 posted on 06/10/2011 6:46:01 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink; Windflier; dragnet2; Kaslin

Instead of the silly ideas I usually see here, certain states are finally learning to fight smart.

You don’t need to do anything gestapo-esqe. Just get between the illegals and what they need. Like AZ pull the licenses of business that knowingly hire illegals.

Like AL pull the rental licenses of landlords who rent to illegals. FINALLY someone did that.

Like AL check the ID’s of secondary school students.

Make it a criminal offense to harbor or transport illegals.

Station cops at the entrances to courthouses and county social welfare centers simply refusing to admit anyone without proper ID.

Do the same at emergency rooms (let emergency patients get treated) then deport them when they are no longer in emergency status).

AZ and AL have led the way and pried the door of opportunity open, don’t tell me CA can’t step through.


48 posted on 06/10/2011 11:34:14 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: MileHi

Kali has made a conscious decision to be a sanctuary state. What the hell are they crying about?

I think that you should qualify that statement a bit.

Cali politicians have made the sanctuary state against the wishes of the citizens.
In addition by doing so they have made the citizens pay higher taxes to support the sanctuary of illegal aliens.

I ma not a Cali citizen but I live in a state that also has sanctuary cities.

Against my wishes also, suborning the laws of civilization by politicians is abhorrent. Problem is that both sides rinos and demos support, thinking they are garnering votes.

In reality they are only tearing the fabricate of civilized society apart for momentary political power or re-election.


49 posted on 06/10/2011 11:53:55 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: sinanju

Arizona’s measures (exactly like California’s that were nullified twenty years ago) are tied up in court. They are NOT being enforced. The Feds have prohibited it.

Alabama is about to be dragged into court by the ACLU. Their measures will be thrown out, just like AZ’s and CA’s were.

No state has successfully enacted any of these measures yet.

Everything you just suggested California has tried. We have been enjoined by the Federal government from doing any of it.

Got anymore ideas?


50 posted on 06/11/2011 12:32:31 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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