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Issa schedules second Gunrunner, Fast and Furious hearing (ATF, DOJ)
Yahoo ^ | 6/09/11 | Matthew Boyle

Posted on 06/10/2011 7:49:06 AM PDT by Libloather

Issa schedules second Gunrunner, Fast and Furious hearing
Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller
Thu Jun 9, 11:37 am ET

Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican and chairman of the House Oversight Committee, announced details for the second in what he said will be a series of hearings on Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious. The hearing, set for Wednesday June 15, will examine “reckless decisions” and “tragic outcomes” as a result of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) programs.

In Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious, ATF officials who reported to President Barack Obama’s Department of Justice (DOJ) allowed guns to be taken into Mexico via “straw purchasers,” or people who were eligible to purchase guns in the U.S. but were doing so with the known intention of trafficking them into Mexico. The ultimate goal, apparently, was to attempt to track the larger Mexican drug cartels’ gun market.

(Issa: ‘We do know’ decisions for Gunrunner, Fast and Furious were made in Washington)

Next Wednesday’s hearing witnesses, according to an Oversight Committee release, will include Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, ATF agents, Justice Department officials and family members of dead Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. Two AK47’s the ATF was tracking in Operation Fast and Furious were found at the scene of Terry’s death.

“The reckless decisions of ATF and Justice Department officials in Operation Fast and Furious have devastated lives and put fear into communities on both sides of the border,” Issa said in a statement. “By exploring this Justice Department sanctioned program, we can better understand the flawed process surrounding the genesis and implementation of an operation that put guns into the hands of criminals.”

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunrunner; hearing; holder; issa
This could get hugh.
1 posted on 06/10/2011 7:49:11 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Story on foxnews yesterday included a detail that the ATF inserted GPS tracking devices in these guns before the sale.

They knew/know where they are. How many other firearms have these GPS devices installed?


2 posted on 06/10/2011 7:50:47 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
How many other firearms have these GPS devices installed?

And where are they now?

3 posted on 06/10/2011 7:52:17 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Libloather

and series


4 posted on 06/10/2011 8:23:17 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Libloather

What on earth is this “Issa”


5 posted on 06/10/2011 8:28:00 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Lurker

Who needs gun registration when you can just install a GPS tracking device in the firearm.


6 posted on 06/10/2011 8:32:33 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Let's face it, folks -- nothing is going to come of any of this; it never does. The FedGov has already pulled off atrocities much greater than this and eventually walked away scott-free. At best, a few fall-guys will take the rap and then it will be back to business as usual in the ivory towers of Washington DC.

I'd love to be wrong in my assessment, but I'm betting I'm not.

I don't know which I despise more -- the cold-blooded statists who arranged this whole bloody scheme, or the gutless Republicans who drum up the dog & pony show, hoping to soon just get back to "going along to get along".

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

7 posted on 06/10/2011 8:33:52 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

Agree with you wholeheartedly here, Joe.

We’re at a point where our Founders would’ve cast the first volley of rifle fire. We’re passing it quickly.

Soon we’ll be comfortable little lambs waiting for slaughter while American Idol soothes us and the Feds begin door-to-door roundups of dissidents.


8 posted on 06/10/2011 8:48:02 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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9 posted on 06/10/2011 9:45:53 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 4 May, 2011 | Dave Workman
FR Posted by marktwain

CBS News is reporting that documents obtained by Congressional investigators looking into the Project Gunrunner scandal include a wiretap authorization from Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer dated in March 2010. Read the CBS story by investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson here. Also included in documents released by investigators is a January 8, 2010 “briefing paper” on Project Gunrunner from the Phoenix, AZ field division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The documents were released earlier today as the Senate Judiciary Committee convened for an oversight hearing on the Department of Justice.

One document indicates a Holder Asst. Attorney General, Lanny Breuer, authorized a wiretap in the controversial gun trafficking case headquartered in Phoenix.

In that case, called "Fast and Furious," multiple sources say ATF allowed thousands of guns to hit the streets, destined for Mexican drug cartels.—CBS News As reported by this column today, Attorney General Eric Holder professed considerable lack of knowledge about the Gunrunner operation, and its links to the slaying of Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry last December. That prompted the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to call for Holder’s resignation. (Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...

10 posted on 06/10/2011 9:56:35 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: All
WHAT IS THE MERIDA INITIATIVE? The US Congress passed legislation in late June 2008 to provide Mexico with $400 million and Central American countries with $65 million that year for the Mérida Initiative---to fight drug wars. The initiative was announced 22 Oct 2007 and signed into law June 30, 2008.

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REFERENCE America's Third War: Is the U.S. Arming Mexican Cartels?
FoxNews.com ^ | May 31, 2011 | William La Jeunesse
FR Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 by neverdem

If you ever watch video or look at pictures of the drug war in Mexico, you'll notice some pretty heavy weapons. This is a war being waged with rockets and plastic explosives, not pea shooters and Saturday Night Specials.

Consider these incidents:- A M26A2 fragmentation grenade used against a U.S. Consulate in Mexico in 2008 - Explosive projectiles and 21 grenades found during a raid in Guadalupe - An unexploded grenade and pull ring used to attack a TV station in Monterrey - Automatic weapons, including U.S.-made M16s, found at a cartel crime scene in May 2009- U.S. military-issued ammunition found in a cartel raid in Reynosa in November 2008. You can't buy this stuff at a U.S. gun store. So where do the cartels get it?

According to leaked diplomatic cables, there are three sources.

1. US Defense Department shipments to Latin America, known and tracked by the US State Department as "foreign military sales."

2. Weapons ordered by the Mexican government, tracked by the State Department as "direct commercial sales."

3. Aging, but plentiful arsenals of military weapon stores in Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua.

Even though these facts were well-known by the Obama administration, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder, it blamed much of the violence in Mexico on U.S. gun stores. "More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our border," President Obama said in February 2009. That was contested, but few listened to gun store owners and former vets like Lynn Kartchner, owner of Allsafe Security, a gun shop in Douglas, Ariz...(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com

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FR POSTED It is WELL known that the Zetas ‘gulf Cartel, a former "special forces unit" of the Mexican Army, has been in operation for years and has recently been recruiting openly in Mexico. In the border city of Reynosa a banner reads, “Former soldiers sought to form armed group; good pay, $500,” “The Zetas operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier.” Authorities said the signs were probably an attempt to "demoralize the soldiers and police," rather than a serious recruiting effort.

(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)

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ANALYSIS----THE FACTS ARE THESE : Mexico is calculatedly staging the "war on drugs" and other border violence -- with a hidden agenda--to loot the United States treasury. Using deceit and guile, Mexico has infiltrated the US political system, from domestic to foreign policy, as well as L/E. The Mexican govt is sending millions of Reconquista shock troops from Third Worlds over the border (illegal aliens) coaching them about taking over the US system.

Mexico is the staging area for Central and South American Third World illegals to stream over the border into the US.

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Central America and Mexico are conning the US -----extorting US tax dollars to support Marxist/terrorist movement via the Merida Initiative----a despicable con to arm its police and military using US tax dollars to protect terrorists and drug cartels who are moving across the border into the US.

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Clearly, the Mexican govt is fomenting drug violence in order to: (1) get billions of dollars in US assistance, and, (2) to help their populations flee over the border claiming they are victims of violence and need "asylum." Asylum claims gets illegals thousands of dollars in SS funds.

Mexican Federales are getting rich using some familiar strategies:

(1) plotting to become a ward of the US;

(2) faking victimization;

(3) secretly revving up internal conflicts;

(4) play-acting the ignoramus;

(5) claiming they can't "control" their enemies without US money;

(6) organizing voting blocs----exchanging votes for US cash.

It's all a big scam---illegals are being financed and coached by Third World governments. The federales are salivating to get their dirty hands on trillions in US foreign aid---and they need a voting bloc to manipulate the US govt and loot the US Treasury.

ACTION NOW---Stop all funding for this con game. Tell your reps to stop funding the Merida Initiative scam now.

11 posted on 06/10/2011 9:57:27 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Libloather

This was politics as usual for Obama.

Remember when he made t eh statement that 80% of the guns used in mexico were from the USA? He was using BATF to make that a reality through the justice department.

Now Holder is on the hot seat and Issa is going to take Holder out of the picture. Without Holder there, Obama becomes vulnerable to a bunch of things that he has relied on Justice to cover for him.

Remember Justice directs FBI BATF DEA etc etc etc. They all take their direction from Holder - if he is outed, Obama is going to have a much harder time putting a new radical in charge of Justice if this pans out that Obama used the office to cover for himself.


12 posted on 06/10/2011 10:35:17 AM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz

Remember when he made t eh statement that 80% of the guns used in mexico were from the USA? He was using BATF to make that a reality through the justice department.

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DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!

You sir nailed it. That was the sole intent of this program. Once they turned the lie into the truth they were going to gut the Second Amendment.


13 posted on 06/10/2011 10:40:50 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: driftdiver

Someone also tried floating trial balloon of RFID chips in those guns. Both have their attend technical problems

GPS units would require battery power that could run out before the gun reaches its destination. It would also have to transmit this data unless the idea was that it would be like tagging geese or something.

RFID would not require power but these chips have a limited interrogation range.

Moreover, both methods would require and RF view of the sky – any kind of RF shielding would block the signals making these tracking methods useless.


14 posted on 06/10/2011 11:09:05 AM PDT by Voice of Reason1 ("Absolute power corrupts absolutely” Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Joe Brower
Worth repeating: "I don't know which I despise more -- the cold-blooded statists who arranged this whole bloody scheme, or the gutless Republicans who drum up the dog & pony show, hoping to soon just get back to "going along to get along"."
15 posted on 06/10/2011 11:12:02 AM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: joe fonebone

RIP Brian Terry: May Justice to those responsible for your untimely death: be served

http://www.odmp.org/officer/20596-border-patrol-agent-brian-a-terry


16 posted on 06/10/2011 12:13:45 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Munz

Yes it was daily news a while ago that the mexican drug cartel were getting their guns at American gun shows;so Obama could shut down the shows and gun rights.


17 posted on 06/10/2011 12:16:24 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Joe Brower

bump... you said it all


18 posted on 06/10/2011 12:34:04 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: Munz

It was THE talking point for a good while.

Then Brian Terry was murdered.


19 posted on 06/10/2011 1:01:01 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Libloather

This could get hugh (HUGE)


From your lips to God’s ears. Sure hope so. This creepo obama and his cohort holder need to be stopped and tried for treason. Throw in napolitono’s mind-blinding, in-your-face stupidity and we are so royally screwed as a nation.


20 posted on 06/10/2011 3:40:03 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: Libloather
2nd one???? Wow !!! What was the fallout from the first one???...............

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................all I hear are crikets chirping.

21 posted on 06/10/2011 4:47:24 PM PDT by HP8753 (Live Free!!!! .............or don't.)
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To: Joe Brower
Let's face it, folks -- nothing is going to come of any of this; it never does. The FedGov has already pulled off atrocities much greater than this and eventually walked away scott-free. At best, a few fall-guys will take the rap and then it will be back to business as usual in the ivory towers of Washington DC.

I'm not sure if your pessimism is justified. Other scandals didn't happen with the economy in the toilet and getting worse, and this administration has a number of scandals and blunders. Folks will fall on their swords for Obama, but I'll be surprised if Issa doesn't try to remove Holder & Hillary. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? Issa will look like a fool if he doesn't.

22 posted on 06/10/2011 9:30:25 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: yldstrk
What on earth is this “Issa”

Chairman of the House Oversight Committee

23 posted on 06/10/2011 9:34:00 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Liz
And WHO is Lanny Breuer?

Breuer was special White House Counsel to help Clinton beat the impeachment.

Involved in the investigations of Enron, Los Alamos, Halliburton.

Sandy Berger tapped Breuer to represent him when he got caught stealing classified documents and hiding them in his socks and under construction trailers.

President Obama selected Breuer to head the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice two days after the inauguration.

24 posted on 06/10/2011 10:34:36 PM PDT by cookcounty (Would someone PLEASE give the President a calculator for his birthday???)
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To: SUSSA

>DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!

You sir nailed it. That was the sole intent of this program. Once they turned the lie into the truth they were going to gut the Second Amendment.<

yeah well After Agent Brian terry, Obama will be darn lucky if Issa doesn’t offer him a room at the beautiful and lush Fort Leavenworth for the next few years.

Holder is dead on the water, he will have to fall on the sword to protect Obama. Have you noticed how little information has come out of the White house regarding all of this? It shows me that they don;t want to say anything that will be used against them later. They are in deep now that it came out and are trying to distance themselves as much as they can.


25 posted on 06/11/2011 8:29:03 AM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: SUSSA; Munz
You sir nailed it. That was the sole intent of this program. Once they turned the lie into the truth they were going to gut the Second Amendment.

Somebody has to have discussed that intention along the way. The ATF field agents in Phoenix were certainly asking "WTF is this about?" because they couldn't think of any rational purpose for walking guns. Which resulted in the rebuke from higher up that "if you don't find this fun you can find another job."

If enough people are deposed it might get to one who will testify that he was told expressly that undermining the 2nd Amend. was the purpose of F&F. That revelation would be bigger than dynamite.

26 posted on 07/11/2011 11:57:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

>If enough people are deposed it might get to one who will testify that he was told expressly that undermining the 2nd Amend. was the purpose of F&F. That revelation would be bigger than dynamite.<

No one who is going to testify or be deposed would ever have that kind of intimate knowledge I bet. That would have been a decision talked about by only about 4 people. HRC, BHO, Holder and Napolitano.

They would have treated everyone under those positions as peons - do your job or find another. I doubt that it will ever get to the point like that. But what we will get is a bunch of people putting pieces together and a bunch of statements from others that can make the link between the two. The program and the intent to ram further gun control down our throats by this administration.

It will be circumstantial but along with the other hard evidence of criminal conspiracy that they come up with along the way it is going to put a kink in Obama’s colon


27 posted on 07/11/2011 12:04:02 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: TigersEye; Munz

I think Munz is right that only 3 or 4 people had that direct knowledge. However, Holder is a punk. If a Special Prosecutor can get him facing hard time, I’d bet the farm he would spill his guts and take the others down too.

Of course, we will never know that. The deal will be they step down, no jail time and keep their pensions and other benefits. Holder does no time but gets disbarred. It will all be hushed up.

That being said, the key is getting an honest special prosecutor named and properly funded. My first choices for the job would be Tom Fitten or Mark Levin.


28 posted on 07/11/2011 12:20:21 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Munz; SUSSA
No one who is going to testify or be deposed would ever have that kind of intimate knowledge I bet. That would have been a decision talked about by only about 4 people. HRC, BHO, Holder and Napolitano.

You're probably right about that. We can hope though. 0bama and his minions haven't shown themselves to be the brightest bulbs and they have shown an amazing level of arrogance. The MSM has let them get away with a lot.

29 posted on 07/11/2011 12:26:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: SUSSA

They are already lining up for a special prosecutor I bet. Holder will go on the hot seat. But I don;t know if he will give up the Marxist in chief or not even if he does face jail time.

The good thing is that there are a lot of congressional hearings going on now since the GOP took control of the house. They are investigating everything from gnwalker to the take over of GM.

As much as i would love to see Obama, Holder, HRC and Napolitano go to jail for what they have done, I think that the gop will be quite happy to force them to toss the ‘12 election and retake the senate while holding the presidency and congress.

There is just too much corruption and then there is the fact that there were such outcries for hanging Bush for “war crimes” from the left, i bet that the gop will fear reprisals in the future.


30 posted on 07/11/2011 12:28:18 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: SUSSA
However, Holder is a punk. If a Special Prosecutor can get him facing hard time, I’d bet the farm he would spill his guts and take the others down too.

Sure, I'd buy that. The trick will be getting him in that corner. Both 0bama and Holder are busy right now identifying exactly who has info that would stick and how to neutralize them and/or the info. But they are each on each the other's list so it could get interesting.

31 posted on 07/11/2011 12:33:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

agreed


32 posted on 07/11/2011 12:35:14 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
I would bet anything Hillary knows exactly who, what, where and when about it all. She gleefully stepped up to the public podium to sell the "American guns are going to Mexico" meme and as Sec. State she should be in the know about any operation involving foreign states. If just one e-mail to or from her names the game they are all finished.

We all know she's a slippery one with brains of Jell-0 but will her luck hold out forever? She skated by the skin of her teeth several times while hubby Slick was in office. Just one evidentiary break could finally end her lucky streak.

Likewise, a lucky break finding a memo or e-mail to/from Holder or 0bama could nail them.

33 posted on 07/11/2011 12:47:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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