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Why the 90's never left
The Oklahoman ^ | June 9, 2011 | George Lang

Posted on 06/10/2011 10:59:05 AM PDT by SoonerStorm09

OKLAHOMA CITY -- This seemed like it was all happening way too soon. In April, the romantic comedy “Something Borrowed” began to unspool its lazy, Kate Hudson-flavored comedic romance at a special screening, and it was just chock full of zany side characters, wedding preparations, romantic triangles, lawyers partying in the Hamptons, yada, yada, yada.

At any rate, Hudson’s character asks Rachel, played by Ginnifer Goodwin, to go check out a 1990s cover band at the M1-5 Bar in New York’s Tribeca neighborhood for her wedding reception. So she’s listening to this band of guys with gelled hair (except for the requisite clean-shaven guy) performing Third Eye Blind’s “How’s It Going to Be” and “Round Here” by Counting Crows. And as an entertainment writer exposed to more aggressively average movies than most normal people can stand, I’m constantly hit with half-baked notions and irrational concepts, but this idea of a 1990s cover band simply did not compute.

Then, less than two weeks later, it happened again. I’m at the Norman Music Festival and I see a flier at the Brewhouse for a group named My So Called Band. Their photo is modeled ingeniously after the cover design for the Cranberries’ 1994 album, “No Need to Argue,” and on the band’s Facebook page, they pull other iconic poses -- their pastiche of Weezer’s “blue” album is particularly good.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: music; nostalgia; slackers

1 posted on 06/10/2011 10:59:09 AM PDT by SoonerStorm09
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To: SoonerStorm09
I think the culture has largely stagnated. Up through the 1980s I think that some new, fresh sounds became available. A number of good movies came out. Since then? So much is just a retread of the same old, same old. How many remakes of movies does Hollywood make today? There is very little that is fresh and new. I'm very tired of the 90s and I wish they would go away. I wish something new would arrive. But my oldies station is playing Dave Matthews and the new music station is playing a band which sounds just like ... Dave Matthews. And Transformers 4 is coming out next month. Sigh.

If you want worthwhile culture, you really have to go looking for it today.

2 posted on 06/10/2011 11:10:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The only song on the radio I recognize in the GIANT GLASS song. However I was able to create “Dokken Radio” on Pandora.


3 posted on 06/10/2011 11:14:12 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SoonerStorm09

Frankly I skipped some of the piece and had to skim those parts because it is so ridiculously long.

But, I am surprised the writer is shocked the 90s are nostalgic.

The assertion that today’s music sounds like 90s music is absurd. Pop music in the 90s was tied to rock. Pop music today is tied to rap/hip hop.

WAY WAY different.

In addition, the 90s were pretty good times compared today.


4 posted on 06/10/2011 11:14:30 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rwfromkansas

Bands like Poison and Warrant killed rock. Their garbage helped to usher in the “Grunge” scene.


5 posted on 06/10/2011 11:18:22 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
When alternative music went mainstream (in the 90s), it became harder and harder to find anything worthwhile to listen to.

I listen to the stuff the kids in my office play. More often than not, my comment is "Hunh. I heard that 25 years ago, back when they called the band 'xxxxxxxxx' " Just retreads of the same old, same old.

Old fogey? I suppose. I have the same problem with movies.

6 posted on 06/10/2011 11:18:22 AM PDT by wbill
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To: massgopguy
"Dokken". Now there's a name I'd not heard for a good while. I wore out "Tooth and Nail".

"Lynch Mob", the group George Lynch founded after Dokken broke up, wasn't too bad either, as I remember.

7 posted on 06/10/2011 11:20:09 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SoonerStorm09

I was a 90s hipster in every sense of the word. While there’s precious little good music being made today, the best of it beats the best of the 90s by a lot.

As far as I’m concerned, no music has ever aged as quickly and as badly as 90s alt-rock.


8 posted on 06/10/2011 11:20:53 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: wbill

I played my Tooth and Nail cassete so much my tape deck ate it.


9 posted on 06/10/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: wbill

I played my Tooth and Nail cassete so much my tape deck ate it.


10 posted on 06/10/2011 11:23:44 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: wbill

I played my Tooth and Nail cassete so much my tape deck ate it.


11 posted on 06/10/2011 11:24:09 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

Sorry for the multiple posts. I have no clue what happened.


12 posted on 06/10/2011 11:25:24 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

You posted Tooth and Nail so much that Free Republic ate it.


13 posted on 06/10/2011 11:27:43 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: ClearCase_guy

It’s not so much that (popular) culture stagnated, it’s that it fragmented, and the stuff that corporate media pushes is the stagnant part.

It used to be there was pop music (think of the 1940’s), then it split three-for-one into pop, rock and country, now there’s pop, rock, country, hip-hop, electronica, goth (with sub-genres like neo-medieval), industrial, a host of different “world music” styles (some of which are interesting, though none as interesting as the breathless lefties who review them for NPR seem to think). . . and really interesting stuff that almost fits into two or three genres, but not quite, and therefore gets no air-play, not to mention imports like J-pop and K-pop (from Japan and Korea respectively).

The pop, rock and country that get lots of airtime on radio are usually the least interesting parts of those genres, and the other styles all have just niche followings and get air-time only in big markets or online. (I’m rather partial to “alt country” like Neko Case, neo-medieval goth, and J-pop, myself.)


14 posted on 06/10/2011 11:27:54 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: sean327

You hit the post button so many times the keyboard ate it. ; )


15 posted on 06/10/2011 11:27:57 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: rwfromkansas
Pop music in the 90s was tied to rock. Pop music today is tied to rap/hip hop

I think that today's music is more fragmented. When I was in school, there were less than a half-dozen different radio stations that the kids listened to. One country, one classic rock, couple of "new" rock, couple of pop. And more often than not, the music crossed over from station to station.

Now, you can listen to stations like "All the time - 1991 Albums from Boy Bands whose names begin with the letters 'A', or 'D' ". If enough musicians throw enough at the wall, sooner or later something that they put out will stick, at least with someone.

Heck, people even buy albums of Yoko Ono screeching and banging on pots and pans. :-)

16 posted on 06/10/2011 11:28:12 AM PDT by wbill
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To: sean327
"tooth and nail....an album so nice, you need to say it twice."

I tripped over a Dokken video (don't ask what it was, I just remember thinking, 'hey, that's Don Dokken!') on VH1 Classic awhile back. I remember thinking that the music hadn't aged well, but what hair metal has?

I had their Beast from the East (live) cassette as well. That was awesome too, at least from a teenager's perspective.

17 posted on 06/10/2011 11:31:25 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SoonerStorm09

There is some good stuff going on now;
Moorefield and Arbuckle
Black Keys
Band of Skulls

Good, solid, blues based rock...and some just pure blues.
It’s getting better. The late 90s and 2000s stank it up.


18 posted on 06/10/2011 11:31:36 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: SoonerStorm09

I read the whole article and I only recognized a couple names. I sure wish people would start making good music again.


19 posted on 06/10/2011 11:51:15 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Pan_Yan

LOL! +1 internets for you today


20 posted on 06/10/2011 12:11:53 PM PDT by BlackSeal
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To: SoonerStorm09

I’m wondering when there’ll be a Scott Joplin tribute band? If you’re going to go for 90’s nostaligia then do it right!


21 posted on 06/10/2011 12:29:02 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: sean327

Puhlease.
I played in Metal and Rock bands in the 1980s. Those bands didn’t kill anything. The arena rock and hair metal thing had run it’s course at the end of the 1980s. There was nothing new to be done with it.
Band’s like Jane’s Addiction were already sowing the seeds of the look and music that was coming.
Grunge and other 90’s music was simply the next genre in music that came along. And usually, it’s promoted as being what killed off the previous one. The way punk and metal was promoted as killing disco.
And I’ve been living in the Seattle since 1990 so was at ground zero for what happened. Bands like Alice in Chains were glammy hair rockers right up to the last couple years of the 1980s. Then they just started dressing more cold weather alternative, slowed down their songs, and all drop tuned their guitars and basses. Voila!!! Grunge was born.
And the music industry dogpiled into it everyway they could.

Now if anyone really wants to go relive the 1990s. Simply go to Portland, Oregon. They are still stuck in it there and their is little hope of them ever moving forward.


22 posted on 06/10/2011 12:36:23 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: John O
There's good music out there, but you've got to remember that radio has a limited play list. With the internet good groups get more exposure than ever without the filter of record companies, but you have to look for them.

I grew up on 80's heavy metal but I'm mellowing and my tastes are broadening. My oldies are mixed with Death Cab for Cutie, Shinedown, Weezer and Snow Patrol, just to name a few.

23 posted on 06/10/2011 12:43:54 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: wbill

At least three bands I played in opened up with Wicked Sensation.


24 posted on 06/10/2011 12:45:41 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: sean327

HA! Mine is stuck in my car tape deck right now!


25 posted on 06/10/2011 12:47:01 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Damn Curt Cobain.


26 posted on 06/10/2011 12:50:03 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: wbill

George Lynch was one hell of a guitar player and soloist. His harmonics and tone were copycated by the thousands.

I like Dokken a lot. Agreed on the live Beast from the East album. Was a very good live album. One of the better live albums of the 1980s. George Lynch’s guitar playing on the instrumental, Mr. Scary, was jaw dropping good. Very good on the whole album.
Dokkens videos always made me laugh. They were just soo bad, they were good. It was kind of funny when “In my Dreams” video came out and it actually had good production values and no bad action movie stunts.


27 posted on 06/10/2011 12:54:06 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: SoonerStorm09

I’m musically stuck in the 18th and 19th centuries. Great place to be, too, I might add.


28 posted on 06/10/2011 12:57:15 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (You say ma-ca-ca, I say mac-a-ca....)
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To: massgopguy

Honestly. I had a ton of rocker friends who were pretty bitter over grunge happening, but I embraced it cause I really liked Soundgarden and Alice in Chains, but still kept listening to rock and metal as well through in the 1990s.
I was never much of a Nirvana fan. I thought some of the early stuff, like the Bleach album, was superior to what they did as they got big.
I liked Mother Love Bone a lot. Band members of Pearl Jam were in before Pearl Jam.

Some of the old school bands still make good music. Love the new Megadeth album. Saw Iron Maiden tour last year. Love them and the new album. Iron Maiden is one of my favorite bands of all time. In high school days, I spent alot of afternoons learning songs off the killers and 1st album. Ahhh good memories.......


29 posted on 06/10/2011 1:11:40 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: massgopguy

Honestly. I had a ton of rocker friends who were pretty bitter over grunge happening, but I embraced it cause I really liked Soundgarden and Alice in Chains, but still kept listening to rock and metal as well through in the 1990s.
I was never much of a Nirvana fan. I thought some of the early stuff, like the Bleach album, was superior to what they did as they got big.
I liked Mother Love Bone a lot. Band members of Pearl Jam were in before Pearl Jam.

Some of the old school bands still make good music. Love the new Megadeth album. Saw Iron Maiden tour last year. Love them and the new album. Iron Maiden is one of my favorite bands of all time. In high school days, I spent alot of afternoons learning songs off the killers and 1st album. Ahhh good memories.......


30 posted on 06/10/2011 1:11:53 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Avery Iota Kracker

Do you wear one of those cool Beethoven wigs too? Sweet! ;)


31 posted on 06/10/2011 1:12:58 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Well, really, it wasn't just Dokken's videos that were bad.

You can pretty much pick most 80's hair metal band videos and say "Yikes". There are a few exceptions. "Jump" by Van Halen set the standard for "concert" type videos. There were a few others. Judas Priest and Metallica could usually be counted on for something OK. "Summertime Girls" by Y&T likely set a record for "Most Bikini Walk-ons by Hot Chicks"...song was OK, but the video - to my 14ish-year-old undersexed mind - was really, really exceptional. :-)

But, if you go back and watch the videos (VH1 Classic still shows them occasionally) for what I remember as being AWESOME ... Ratt, Scorpions, Def Leppard and so on ... my reaction is "While I might have thought these videos were the pinnacle of cool 25 years ago, now? Not so much. And what the heck is the lead singer doing there, anyway????" Songs are still good, though.

32 posted on 06/10/2011 1:32:03 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Oh, and one other. Someone on FR recommended that I go back and watch "VOA" by Sammy Hagar not too long ago. It was in reference to his generally conservative viewpoint.

I'd not seen it since the album came out, what, 25+ years ago? I just remember that it was banned from MTV, ostensibly for violence, but more likely because it portrayed Reagan as one of the really good guys. So, I googled it.

Great vid. Even better than "I can't drive 55". :-)

33 posted on 06/10/2011 1:37:35 PM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

Watching Tawny Kitaen doing ballet backflips over a Jaguar was one of those visuals that sure caused a stiring with this young boy back then. If there was ever a better image to promote the benefits of becoming a musician, I don’t know of any. But as with all such innocence, later on she ends up dating O.J. Simpson and becomes a crack head. Talk about a fantasy killer.

I really like Y&T as a band. Their videos were terrible, but summertime girls did rock with the amount of babes in bikinis.

There was plenty of bands that made great concert and videos. But yes, many were total cheese. Most don’t age well, but many still bring back soo many good memories, hard not to enjoy it.

I was just listening to Scorpions Love at first Sting a few days ago in my car. The song “I’m Leaving You” always floods my mind with memories and makes me smile. I love that song. Ahh...girls with big hair, white mascara, trashy outfits, and pumps. Ahhhh......love that look. I just do.


34 posted on 06/10/2011 1:56:07 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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