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Pollard Asks to Visit 'Dying' Father
Arutz Sheva ^ | 12/6/11 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 06/11/2011 10:42:34 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

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1 posted on 06/11/2011 10:42:39 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

Maybe he is dying from the broken heart caused by his son being a traitor.


2 posted on 06/11/2011 10:45:47 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Eleutheria5
If we'd hanged the SOB years ago this wouldn't be a problem now, would it?

I have ZERO sympathy for spies and traitors.

3 posted on 06/11/2011 10:49:44 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: kbennkc

Aye; treat him like an Irishman that sold out his neighbors. Everybody’s got a story, and religion/faith (especially the new-found kind) justifies nothing.

I don’t think he really cared who got the information he stole; the voters will decide what is important to them.


4 posted on 06/11/2011 10:50:05 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Eleutheria5

The traitor is lucky he got a phone call. Prison’s a bitch - by design. He needs to stay there and rot for his crimes.


5 posted on 06/11/2011 10:52:10 PM PDT by MCH
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To: Eleutheria5

Pollard can blow it out his ass. Traitors used to be killed. Why don’t we do this anymore?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZWND2WTp5M&NR=1


6 posted on 06/11/2011 10:56:15 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

SKYPE has video...let him use that.


7 posted on 06/11/2011 10:56:24 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Sadly, No.

You will not visit your father...traitor.


8 posted on 06/11/2011 11:00:29 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Eleutheria5

No mercy for traitors!


9 posted on 06/11/2011 11:01:02 PM PDT by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: Eleutheria5

Cry me a river, but maybe save some of those tears for the country and people you betrayed. Was that one of the things your father taught you how to do, traitor?


10 posted on 06/11/2011 11:11:39 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: kbennkc

I carry no brief for Pollard. But for whatever harm he did, he has already been punished sufficiently.


11 posted on 06/11/2011 11:18:14 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Mountain Troll
Look at this:

In 2010 representatives Barney Frank (D-Mass.), Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) and Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) wrote a letter which "notes the positive impact that a grant of clemency would have in Israel, as a strong indication of the goodwill of our nation towards Israel and the Israeli people,"[48

12 posted on 06/11/2011 11:19:34 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Eleutheria5
Barney Frank and "Penis Weiner" both love him:

In 2010 representatives Barney Frank (D-Mass.), Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) and Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) wrote a letter which "notes the positive impact that a grant of clemency would have in Israel, as a strong indication of the goodwill of our nation towards Israel and the Israeli people,"[48

13 posted on 06/11/2011 11:23:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Eleutheria5
But for whatever harm he did, he has already been punished sufficiently.

NO. He has been sentenced to LIFE IN PRISON.

When he completes that sentence, he will have been punished sufficiently.

Meanwhile, he should thank whatever deity it is that he actually believes in that he gets to serve out his sentence in a medium security facility, rather than Florence Supermax.

14 posted on 06/11/2011 11:23:39 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Condee Rice wanted massive spying on Israel. Should we show such putative spies zero mercy, too? Treason means, per the US Constitution, making common cause with the US’ enemies, taking up arms against the US, or giving aid and comfort to its enemies. It’s undeniable that Pollard sold some secrets to the Soviet Union, which constituted treason. But the Soviet Union is no more, and the damage he did there is now moot. His other acts of espionage were for a friend of the US, and one of them saved the world from the threat of a nuclear Saddam Hussein. The one should cancel the other, imho. Now go ahead and flame me. I’ve got things to do.


15 posted on 06/11/2011 11:26:19 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Based on what has been reported, and to me even more substantiated by the repeated refusals of cia/dod heads under administrations of both parties to countenance any thought of leniency for pollard (clinton wanted to release him as part of his peace deal, and apparently the secdef and cia head both said they would resign if he did), makes me think he did indeed pass on info to israel that they then gave raw to the soviets, with the catastrophic consequences for us intelligence assets.


16 posted on 06/11/2011 11:29:01 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Eleutheria5
Stuff and nonsense.

POS Pollard was a natural-born citizen of these United States. He accepted a position of trust in the service of these United States, his native land.

He then betrayed his native land to one or more foreign powers.

He's a traitor and a spy. He can rot in his medium security prison for the duration of his sentence.

An intelligence agent is not a spy. An intelligence agent works for his country, to gain information about foreign countries. A spy sells out his own country to foreign countries. The former is honourable and patriotic. The latter dishonest and a traitor. Pollard is a spy; a liar and a traitor.

Folks who have trouble figuring out their allegiance and loyalty should not be granted access to nationally sensitive information, and should stay the hell out of the military, intelligence, and diplomatic communities.

17 posted on 06/11/2011 11:37:01 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I see that you are flying an Israeli flag.

Are you a citizen of Israel?

18 posted on 06/11/2011 11:38:06 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I carry no brief for Pollard. But for whatever harm he did, he has already been punished sufficiently.

I am sure his being Jewish and the fact some of the information was sold to Israel has no bearing on your belief, since he also sold or was in the process of securing information for South Africa and Red China. Good to hear from you Mrs. Dershewitz, say hello to Alan. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/dece_pollard.html

19 posted on 06/11/2011 11:39:30 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I’m sure the little weasel Pollard really made his Dad proud.


20 posted on 06/11/2011 11:45:51 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Eleutheria5
Should we show such putative spies zero mercy, too?

No, you shouldn't.

21 posted on 06/11/2011 11:50:45 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: kbennkc

And, nobody knew at the time what the ultimate fate of the USSR would be. It’s nice that, largely through Ronald Reagan’s efforts, it was turned into a “less hostile” power, but the stuff that Pollard slipped to them didn’t make that any easier. He would have met the fate of the Rosenbergs had it not been for vigorous lobbying by Israel. But if he really wishes to be executed maybe his wish should be granted.


22 posted on 06/12/2011 1:25:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Eleutheria5

I guess I am built different.

If Pollard’s family would pay the bills for his trip and those of the guard to travel with him, I would allow him to see his father.

Certainly I would not set Pollard free, He is a spy, who got caught, but is it so wrong to allow a bit of humanity?


23 posted on 06/12/2011 3:47:22 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Eleutheria5

Let Pollard out for any reason?
Hell no, send him to the gallows.


24 posted on 06/12/2011 4:19:06 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Venturer

Humanity? Humanity for traitors is the end of a rope.


25 posted on 06/12/2011 4:57:06 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

thanks kbennkc:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/dece_pollard.html

[snip] Pollard pleaded guilty to espionage and was sentenced to prison for life. His wife served a five-year sentence for unauthorized possession of government documents. Upon her release, Anne Henderson Pollard divorced her husband. In 1993 Secretary of Defense Les Aspin reported that Pollard had tried 14 times to disclose classified information in letters written to various recipients from his prison cell. [/snip]


26 posted on 06/12/2011 5:08:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Eleutheria5
We have to keep an eye on Israel. Did you forget the USS Liberty?
A clearly marked United States ship savaged by the Israel's
Still so many unanswered questions there, after all these years.
Not to mention many Navy crewman killed in an unprovoked attack on a friend. They had lives to live, family that loved them, and NO chance to say good by.
27 posted on 06/12/2011 5:20:30 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Eleutheria5

“He spoke with his Dad to thank him for all he taught him.....”

I’m sure his dad is heartbroken at not having taught him how to be a loyal American. He’s probably already knew his son was a big whiner when it came to complaining about just and true punishment for his misdeeds.


28 posted on 06/12/2011 5:28:35 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Eleutheria5

yeah and that pan am 103 mass murderer was released because he ‘had terminal cancer’

who cares.


29 posted on 06/12/2011 5:32:14 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Eleutheria5

Bollocks to Pollard.


30 posted on 06/12/2011 6:14:34 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Eleutheria5

Such situations go with the territory of being in prison; “Cool Hand Luke” bump....


31 posted on 06/12/2011 6:17:49 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Venturer

I guess that with that type of contorted reasoning, that it’s a good idea to let ALL CRIMINALS visit their dying parents. Hell, who knows...their mothers or fathers may die at least two times a year and each year in the future. That would make for a nice vacation each year.

What is your reasoning for letting this special criminal have your blessing to travel while not including ALL CRIMINALS who are currently incarcerated?


32 posted on 06/12/2011 6:22:33 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Eleutheria5

No. You swore an oath to the United States and betrayed it. You are still trying to give away classified information to your handlers. You are not a “Prisoner of Zion”; you are a traitor.


33 posted on 06/12/2011 6:30:49 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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It’s undeniable that Pollard sold some secrets to the Soviet Union, which constituted treason. But the Soviet Union is no more, and the damage he did there is now moot.

This argument makes no sense. Should an American who spied for Hitler have been freed and forgiven because the Third Reich ultimately fell?

34 posted on 06/12/2011 7:18:55 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: DH

I would allow most criminals to see their dying parents. In fact many prisons do. I have seen people at funerals under guard.

I know a prison guard who goes with them and hates that duty.

I would not deny a person a last visit with a loved one such as a Father.But that’s just me, you are entitled to your opinion.


35 posted on 06/12/2011 7:22:00 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: hal ogen

I don’t have a problem with that, but he would get to see his father before they hanged him.


36 posted on 06/12/2011 7:23:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: WoofDog123
Good post.

People who have been involved in U.S. intelligence in the past will tell you that in their dealings to protect U.S. national security secrets, they considered Israel as big a risk as the Soviet Union.

37 posted on 06/12/2011 7:25:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Venturer

I’d be curious to know where exactly his father is right now. Pollard was born in Texas and was a U.S. citizen since birth, and he was granted Israeli citizenship sometime in the mid-1990s. Is his father still in the U.S., or is he in Israel now?


38 posted on 06/12/2011 7:31:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Eleutheria5
His father's dying? Excellent. Not getting to see his father before he dies is part and parcel of the punishment for his crimes.

If Israel wants his worthless a$$ all they have to do is hand over his Mossad handlers to serve out the rest of his life sentence in an American prison. I do believe Israel was offered this when they made one of their odious pleas for the traitor's release.

But hey, if you have a soft spot for traitors, please feel free to start a campaign to have all traitors to the State of Israel released. But stay out of how we punish our traitors.

39 posted on 06/12/2011 7:36:14 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: The Hogwarts of stupid.)
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To: Eleutheria5

The man all these jakes HOLDING Pollard serve under, and all these jakes who affirm the legitimacy of, as “President and Commander-In-Chief”, this man, Obama is giving the Russians what?

You idiots who so viciously hold a man longer than any other ever held for anything similar! Who like ill-bred rude DOGS bark out “TRAITIOR! KILL HIM!”

Do you that this man you are willing to tolerate—Obama—is a far greater traitor? And Obama has really worked with our enemies and given them aid and comfort. Treason.

But instead of taking that evil on, instead like cowards and curs you bark at a small man, a beaten man. A man who spied for an ally, not an enemy. In other words, spying for an ally, not treason.

YOU are the traitors by such treasonous foolishness and vile hatred.

Obama is the traitor.


40 posted on 06/12/2011 7:36:40 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Eleutheria5

Pollard? F him.


41 posted on 06/12/2011 7:39:49 AM PDT by csvset
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To: rogue yam

“Should an American who spied for Hitler have been freed and forgiven because the Third Reich ultimately fell?”

30 years later, maybe. It depends. What specifically did he do for the Third Reich? Out US agents? Sabotage US ships? Reveal battle plans causing major reversals with ships sunk and servicemen killed? Or just tell the Nazis, during nominally peaceful times (before Pearl Harbor, to work within the confines of your analogy) how the US Navy manages to keep track of their nuclear subs, causing the US to do more R&D to find a new way? The latter is what Pollard did for the Soviets. At the same time, he also made sure that Begin’s Israel had enough information to take out Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi nuclear program, saving perhaps millions of lives, both American, Israeli, and Arab. The first deed was dastardly enough. The second, however, more than compensated for the damage he did with the first.


42 posted on 06/12/2011 12:09:47 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Stuff and nonsense.

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He’s a traitor and a spy. He can rot in his medium security prison for the duration of his sentence.

An intelligence agent is not a spy. An intelligence agent works for his country, to gain information about foreign countries.

Condee called for spying. She didn’t say “let’s recruit more intelligence agents and register them with the Israeli government.” She wanted spying. Nothing personal, I’m sure. America spies on its allies and its enemies. So does everyone else. Some have been caught spying on Israel, and sentenced to less than a decade of prison. This is the ordinary way of doing business. Furthermore, the information that Pollard passed to Israel, regarding, for example, Syrian poison gas programs, Iraqi nuclear programs, were highly relevant intelligence that the US had agreed to provide Israel, but which his superiors were ordering him to withold for nefarious reasons. I don’t say that he wasn’t a spy. But that’s not unusual in intelligence work, and ultimately, the good that he did by committing that crime outweighs the harm, and “mercy becomes kings more than their crowns.” Of course, if you insist on your pound of flesh, well...


43 posted on 06/12/2011 12:19:14 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Venturer

I posted the article without comment for a reason. My initial impulse was to at most let him see his father, probably along the lines you speak. As for freedom for the man, I was neutral at best, but inclined to oppose. You guys tipped me, though. Something in me recoils at eternal vindictiveness. It’s a saccharin substitute for vigilance, and isn’t even emotionally, let alone intellectually, as satisfying. Now I’m for freeing him.


44 posted on 06/12/2011 12:27:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I am not altogether against freeing him, but not in my country.
Send him to Israel and banish him forever from coming back to the country he sold out.


45 posted on 06/12/2011 12:36:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I’d agree on that. His malfeasance wasn’t the vicious stuff of John Walker Jr., Aldrich Ames or Robert Hanssen (See http://listverse.com/2010/07/04/top-10-traitors-in-us-history/ [Pollard isn’t on the list; Hannoi Jane is]), but he still was a spy, and if he were freed it would be the height of chutzpah to hang around the US afterwards.


46 posted on 06/12/2011 1:12:07 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: csvset

It’s no secret that we spy on everyone and they all spy on us. I am a large supporter of our only real ally in the middle east, Israel, but it’s hard to forget the USS Liberty. Pollard sold us out for ideological reasons, as far as I know. He gave that document to the Israelis and one of them passed it on. It ended up on the internet, for all the world to see. It definitely weakened our SIGINT attacks on everyone. So, ideologic or not, he committed treason and the slam is the place for him. Consider one Ronald W. Pelton, a former colleague of mine. He’s in the federal slam now, has been for about 25 years and will probably die there. He contacted the USSR Embassy in Washington and met with the KGB officers. He sold us out, no ideology involved, just plain greed. And he sold us out cheap, too. He received about $35,000 for some vital information (GOOGLE Ivy Bells).


47 posted on 06/12/2011 2:47:52 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Eleutheria5
Are you a citizen of the United States, or of Israel?

I'm curious as to which conflict of interest is motivating your obfuscation of Pollard's crimes, your attempts to excuse his inexcusable crimes, and your offering of bad advice to the United States regarding the release from prison of a dishonest, disloyal spy and traitor.

Why do you not ask for the release from prison of Aldrich Ames or Robert Hanssen?

What agenda are you pursuing that would be served by the release of one scumbag spy, and not others?

48 posted on 06/12/2011 3:06:10 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’m a citizen of both, having been born in the US and immigrated to Israel. As for the rest of your questions, read my posts and don’t ask me to rehash it all. Life is too short.


49 posted on 06/12/2011 3:08:16 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I’m a citizen of both,

Thank you for the honest disclosure.

I've already read the rest of your posts ... I think you're being deceptive regarding your "transformation" from being "neutral" regarding pollard to now wanting him released.

I think releasing him, as you desire, would be bad for America's interests ... spying (even for an "ally") is evil. Your attempts to excuse his malfeasance fall flat; the idea that one act of dishonesty and betrayal somehow made up for another is repugnant.

Whether releasing pollard would be good for Israel is of absolutely no interest to me.

50 posted on 06/12/2011 3:25:30 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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