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Employers Drop Insurance Over Obamacare
Townhall.com ^ | June 12, 2011 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 06/12/2011 5:16:27 AM PDT by Kaslin

McKinsey & Co., the high profile global business consulting firm, surveyed 1300 businesses and found that "30 percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering [employer-sponsored insurance] in the years after 2014."

That's the year that the full impact of ObamaCare is scheduled to kick in. Several other surveys have reached similar conclusions.

Another study found that among businesses with a "high awareness" of what ObamaCare is all about, more than half are planning to drop health care insurance benefits for their workers.

The result spells death to private insurance and life to nationalized healthcare just as conservatives predicted.

ObamaCare requires employers with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees or face a $2000 fine.

Many employers are quick to conclude that they are better off to pay the fine than the escalating premium costs.

AT&T calculated that dropping coverage and paying the penalty will save them $1.8 billion annually.

That makes the decision pretty obvious.

Millions of the workers cut loose will be forced to shop within the government blessed "exchanges" – and will be eligible based on income levels for generous taxpayer funded premium subsidies.

Democrats know how to buy votes with taxpayer's money – or even worse, with debt. ObamaCare makes subsidies available up to 400% of poverty level income.

The phony budget projections used to sell ObamaCare were based on just 2.5 percent of workers with current employer provided plans to switch – not 30 or even 50 percent!

The real resulting impact to the federal treasury will be in the trillions according to former budget officials Douglas Holtz-Eakin and James Capretta.

That's another big budget buster that Obama and the Democrats kept hidden behind the curtain when they rammed the bill through Congress.

The end of employer provided health insurance benefits and consolidation into government controlled programs is a big step toward government controlled single-payer health care which has long been the not-so-subtle objective all along.

Never mind that the we'll be bankrupt when we get there.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; singlepayer; unexpected

1 posted on 06/12/2011 5:16:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Wait until they find out their benefits will drastically plummet and there won’t be enough docs to take care of them...
“We have an opening for an appt with the doctor in 6 months.”
Many Medicare doctors are already not accepting new patients.

“i’m sorry, but you don’t qualify for knee surgery.”
Can you say “Cuba”?


2 posted on 06/12/2011 5:26:28 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Kaslin

“It is cheaper to pay the penalty than to offer insurance.”

Conservatives read that and see the suicidal path this legislation places us on.

Liberals read that and see how greedy insurance companies and our capitastic system are.


3 posted on 06/12/2011 5:29:58 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Kaslin

Can’t have universal until you make everyone uninsured.


4 posted on 06/12/2011 5:30:57 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Erik Latranyi
Liberals will read that and see the suicidal path this legislation places us on.

Conservatives will read that and see how greedy Liberals are.

5 posted on 06/12/2011 5:33:13 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

Actually 100 percent of employers will drop medical insurance when massive inflation kicks in. Companies with ERISA Self-funded plans cannot afford the base cost exposure and the stop loss insurance premiums. Companies with ERISA Fully-insured simply cannot afford the premiums. As a result, everybody will be dumped on ObamaCare, health care will become fully nationalized, and then it will eventually collapse, and I will have achieved my greatest accomplishment.

6 posted on 06/12/2011 5:37:14 AM PDT by Zakeet (The difference between the Wee Wee and a battery ... the battery has a positive side)
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To: Kaslin

If that doesn’t get voters to oust congress critter who passed the bill nothing will.No wonder the treat people like sheep.


7 posted on 06/12/2011 5:45:38 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin

OK...anyone surprised by this, please raise your hand. The Administration will be around with your next glass of KoolAid, shortly.

This anti-Constitutional plan must be stopped. Quickly. Completely.


8 posted on 06/12/2011 5:58:26 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Kaslin

The whole purpose of Obamacare is to drive the insurance companies out of business and force a single-payer, government run system.


9 posted on 06/12/2011 6:07:25 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Kaslin
I'm becoming increasingly pessimistic that the combined houses of Congress are not going to repeal Obamacare.

Has anyone read or heard of anything forceful that hopefully would disabuse me of this negative gut feeling I'm carrying around?

Leni

10 posted on 06/12/2011 6:12:51 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Bring Back the MISERY INDEX! Obama's INDEX! Include Food & Energy in a TRUTHFUL INDEX!)
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To: Kaslin

My plan's working so well I've got time for a cheeky round of golf!

11 posted on 06/12/2011 6:18:37 AM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: Kaslin
Any company, especially one that is publicly traded, would almost be required to drop Healthcare for their employees in order to do what businesses are suppose to do ... Maximize profit for the share holders!

I fully expect my company to do this, and my current health insurance which started on Jan 1 of this year is a complete joke, so I expect that in 2014 it will be even a bigger joke.

12 posted on 06/12/2011 6:25:17 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: libertylover

Yep, a scheme known from the beginning. Obama knows companies will ditch their insurance and pay the fine which is cheaper.


13 posted on 06/12/2011 6:27:50 AM PDT by peggybac (In the contemporary world, they pulled a Pearl Harbor. We need to pull a Hiroshima.)
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To: CapnJack

I now effectively have catastrophic health care, thanks to Obamacare. Soon, I doubt if I will have any insurance at all And this is from a large, self-insured company which at one time had excellent benefits.

The good news is that this has turned the younger people here into Republicans. Many liberals can actually read, and virtually none blame “the man”, they blame the “O”.


14 posted on 06/12/2011 7:01:20 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Kaslin

btt


15 posted on 06/12/2011 7:02:32 AM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: Kaslin

One of the many lies used to sell Obamacare was “If you like your insurance, you can keep it.” Of course, most people fail to realize that since they don’t purchase their insurance, they don’t get to make that decision. Their employer does. It also requires that the insurance company can stay in business, and continue to offer your policy.


16 posted on 06/12/2011 7:05:07 AM PDT by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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To: Kaslin
ObamaCare requires employers with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees or face a $2000 fine.
Many employers are quick to conclude that they are better off to pay the fine than the escalating premium costs.
AT&T calculated that dropping coverage and paying the penalty will save them $1.8 billion annually.
That makes the decision pretty obvious.

Of course once all employers drop their insurance and everyone is forced into the Government program, the fine to employers will go up from the current $2000.00 fine to the point where current rates will seem like a bargain.

17 posted on 06/12/2011 7:16:52 AM PDT by sleeper-has-awakened
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To: libertylover

“The whole purpose of Obamacare is to drive the insurance companies out of business and force a single-payer, government run system.”

No - it is collusion between the Insurance Companies and the government. AKA, fascism.

At this point, I would be unsuprised to hear that they had discovered a wonderful new product, Zyklon-B.


18 posted on 06/12/2011 7:25:28 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: Kaslin
ObamaCare requires employers with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees or face a $2000 fine.

Dictator King Obama, being of sick mind, will raise the fine to $100,000. There is no stopping a dictator. He needs more money for his vacations.

19 posted on 06/12/2011 8:59:23 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: MinuteGal
I'm becoming increasingly pessimistic that the combined houses of Congress are not going to repeal Obamacare. Has anyone read or heard of anything forceful that hopefully would disabuse me of this negative gut feeling I'm carrying around?

I'm sorry, but the GOP has betrayed us. According to a Howell Raines article (keep in mind he's a former editor-in-chief of The New York Times who was put over the side in a notorious reporting scandal, so consider the source) that appeared in Conde Nast Portfolio during its brief publishing career in October 2008, the deal to dump employee health care was already cooked then between Republican policy deepthinkers (they really don't have any -- they're just order-takers for the Chamber of Commerce) and the double-domed Deep Think policy wonks in the upper reaches of the Democratic Party.

If what Raines wrote is true, then John Boehner is deliberately slow-walking any attempt to take out ObamaCare, in order to let the events in this article overtake American voters and let the Democrats have their way.

Because that's what the Republican National Committee wants, too. Because that's what the Chamber types want. And therefore that is the highest desideratum in the GOP. And we're screwed.

Voters? Eff 'em. Money talks.

20 posted on 06/12/2011 9:39:30 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Kaslin
The result spells death to private insurance and life to nationalized healthcare just as conservatives predicted.

Not just Conservatives. I was up in Baltimore at one of the Howard Dean - Karl Rove debates a couple months back, and the ONE thing they both agreed upon was that Obamacare was completely unsustainable.

Dean took the position that its unsustainability was a GOOD thing, since it would force the country to adopt the kind of single-payer plan he wants.
21 posted on 06/12/2011 9:42:47 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: libertylover
The whole purpose of Obamacare is to drive the insurance companies out of business and force a single-payer, government run system.

Of course you are right. In 1994 Newt Gingrich proposed the opposite. He wanted to allow people to take part of their Medicare deductions and put them into either medical savings accounts or buy private insurance. He said that so many people would opt for that plan that Medicare would eventually wither on the vine.

The Democrats and media latched onto that phrase, wither on the vine, and demonized the whole idea as an attempt to "get rid of your Medicare." Of course it was, just as this is an attempt to force universal coverage. To make sure it happens the Obama plan also forces insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions.

That does two things. It forces high costs on the companies for people who have paid nothing into the plan, thereby destroying the actuarial tables on which the rates are determined, and also the reinsurance business. It would also eliminate existing rate payers who would decide to just wait until they needed insurance before they buy it.

It is a brutally simple way to force national healthcare on everyone. It also exposes Obama's lie that you can keep your present policies if you want.

22 posted on 06/12/2011 12:41:41 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Next procedure...conscription of doctors. They already tell them how many days a patient can stay in the hospital for any given illness with Medicare.


23 posted on 06/12/2011 2:52:26 PM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: GailA

In Ohio, probably other places too, they now have “ Hospitalists”/ doctors who are not your persona; doc, ie, primary care or internist, who work at and for the hospital.
That’s who you get once you’re in the hospital.


24 posted on 06/12/2011 3:14:00 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Vaduz

“If that doesn’t get voters to oust congress critter who passed the bill nothing will.No wonder the treat people like sheep.”

Yup.


25 posted on 06/12/2011 3:36:03 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kaslin

Democrats offer AT&T the option of insuring its employees or paying a $2,000 fine and they call Sarah Palin dumb. she’s a genius compared to Obama.


26 posted on 06/12/2011 4:35:53 PM PDT by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides.)
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To: MinuteGal
The combined houses of Congress won't repeal it before 2013. Reid won't allow it and Obama would never sign a bill to eliminate his "BFD" legislative accomplishment.

The best chance is SCOTUS declaring it unconstitutional. It may or may not reach them before the 2012 election.

A great fear is, without the high court ruling it unconstitutional, the leviathan may get into a "mend it, don't end it" battle with Democrats. We'd be stuck with it like we've been stuck with all of their other "progressive" experiments for generations now.

If Obama's reelected, we might have to see it "play out" until 2017, when I think it's in full effect. I'd say your pessimism is warranted.

27 posted on 06/12/2011 9:38:38 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: kathsua
They know exactly what option employers will take. It's by design.

They want to have a talking point to say, 'See, greedy employers hate you! We need single payer and more unions. Progressive gov't is the answer!'

28 posted on 06/12/2011 9:49:30 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: libertylover
The whole purpose of Obamacare is to drive the insurance companies out of business and force a single-payer, government run system.

Correctamundo!

29 posted on 06/13/2011 2:59:42 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

We are still getting our own docs here in TN. At least for now. We use private hospital, not public. What I’m seeing is more of the Nurse Practioner’s instead of my Internist, which is ok by me for my regular 6 month check ups and meds as they don’t vary.


30 posted on 06/13/2011 2:07:58 PM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS or RINOS in 2012!)
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To: Kaslin

A couple of days ago I went searching for an affordable eye doctor and to replace two pairs of glasses, one for work and driving the other for home.

I drive a concrete mixer and at 54 years old my eyes are changing, I have been employed at the same job for 16 years, there is no other place within 50 miles that can match the wages and commuting is out of the question as I am in Alaska.

Every place I went to expected me to have health insurance, my job has never had any health insurance plan, the area where I live is Wasilla, Alaska and in the last two years all I have seen sprouting up is more and more doctors and dentists offices being built.

I’m not sure if or its going to work out in the long run but I suspect many businesses that drop insurance will have an effect upon these nearly built offices that were expecting most patients to have insurance.

Most everyone I know cannot afford outside health insurance and we will not support Obamacare.

So unless its different in the lower 48 I predict a massive collapse of the insurance expectations of the new centers and the people will start shopping for the lower pricing.

Thats what I did, and still I had to forgo progressive lens’s because they wanted way too much for them.


31 posted on 06/15/2011 4:52:22 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (2012, NO MORE LIES!)
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