Skip to comments.Giving Away the Farm--Obama admin is freely giving Russia sensitive info about missile defense
Posted on 06/12/2011 7:05:50 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah
President Barack Obama's administration recently threatened to veto the defense budget, citing "serious concerns" over provisions that limit the U.S. missile defense know-how that the White House is permitted to share with Moscow. This is the sort of information that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, in his earlier days, would have assigned his spies to steal. Through its single-minded pursuit of "resetting" relations with Russia, the Obama administration may simply be willing to hand over this information and, in doing so, weaken U.S. national security.
Only two days after issuing the veto threat -- and as Obama tried to warm Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to U.S. missile defense plans at the G-8 Summit in Deauville, France -- the House of Representatives passed the defense bill. It included the provision that the president's team finds so offensive: Section 1228 requires that no funds can be used to provide the Russian Federation with sensitive U.S. missile defense technology.
This act of congressional prudence did not come out of nowhere. The Senate debate over New START raised questions about what the Obama administration may have promised Moscow regarding U.S. missile defense plans. The debate stemmed from the treaty's preamble, which linked offensive and defensive weapons, and a Russian unilateral statement that stated ratification of the treaty was conditional on whether the United States made improvements to its missile defense systems. In a treaty about reducing offensive weapons, it was clear the Russians required the Obama administration to include U.S. defenses in the bargain.
With that issue still unresolved, Congress discovered that the administration has been working on a missile defense agreement with the Russians and that Moscow had requested that the United States share with it loads of sensitive U.S. missile defense technology and operational authority as part of that deal...
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Jimmy Carter’s running the documents for him.
Maybe (.)bama should watch the recent HBO doc Too Big To Fail. One scene in it has the Chinese telling a US official we need to get our debt house in order as they had received a proposal from the Russian gov (Putin) to mutually dump all US debt in a way to bring down the US. Seems to me some country that inclined to bring down the US financially as they cannot do it physically is not one we should be giving away the defensive farm to.
BTW, unlike most HBO stuff, I fould this one fairly well on the mark with minimal leftist bias.
I’m not so worried about the Russians as the Iranians they pass the information to. Study up on EMP folks, unless we dodge a bullet, it’s coming.
We’re pretty much screwed. The BRICs are getting ready to exist in a post-American-dollar world. We’ll be Argentina With Nukes, only much less stable socially.
I’m sure there is a lot of Russian Lobbyist money being passed out on Capital Hill so this deal can be made. I mean, “what’s the big deal about a few secrets” versus a comfortable retirement for a Senator or Congressman???
From the article: “The letter, spearheaded by Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), requested the administration provide the Senate with assurances that it will not share sensitive information with Moscow. The senators cited the problem that sharing this information with Russia poses in light of its history of espionage and technological cooperation with Iran and Syria.”
“Tehran is thumbing its nose at Washington and doubling down on its missile program.”
Obama will not be happy as long as the United States can defend itself.
Moscow had requested that the United States share with it loads of sensitive U.S. missile defense technology and operational authority as part of that deal. In the administration's eagerness to please the Kremlin, it may just oblige.
the administration's consideration of granting to the Russians sensitive U.S. technology and "red button" authority to prevent the interception of incoming missiles headed for U.S. troops or allies. This would allow Russia to deny the United States the ability to intercept a missile Washington had determined to be a threat.
Could it be the regime is laying a trap for the next President in 2012? Have they taken the ‘playing politics’ to the democrat party’s treasonous end?
Knowing 0bama won’t be re-elected, they are setting the ‘world’ stage to bring the next leader of the free world to their knees.
The playing pieces:
0bama’s apologies to the world.
Regime’s involvement in the Arab Spring.
Recent revelations regarding African nations and involvement there.
Pakistan kicking out 2/3’s of the American traniners
Obama’s trip to India and outsourced job creation there.
Belize oil drilling.
I fear we will be forced into isolationistism again only this time without the industrial base we enjoyed last time we were in that mode.
“Argentina with nukes,” once the dollar loses its status as the world’s reserve currency.
Which is happening now.
Well, it’s only fair. They seem more than willing to share their mafia with us.
Kirk’s a decidedly uneven conservative, liking all too much to play footsie with the Dems. But he’s smart and principled—and deserves credit for this.
Some of you here lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis...I feel like we are there again....only worse....(I was pretty young but remember the worry of my parents and neighbors).
Some legal rulings are based on past decisions. Letting Slimy Willy Klinton get away with this to China has set the legal precedent that it is not treason.
The Constitution says that treason is a capital offense.
Traitors should be executed.
If we do not elect a true reformer next year, this country is going to be preached a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel. Sadly, watering the tree of liberty means introducing people to Jesus in the non-evangelical manner.
“Here’s hoping that the White House comes to its senses and stops trying to use a degradation in U.S. national security to purchase a Russian “reset.””
NOT THE POINT. The point is the intentional destruction of the power of our security over our lands, and our allies that has made America the most powerful Nation in history, and the subjugation of our peoples to elitism for the purpose of a NWO.
Eliminate the power of the United States, and they eliminate the defense of the entire free world as we know it. The enemies of freedom will quickly subjugate the entire World to their will. That is their goal as I see it.
Unilateral disarmament (surrender to Communism) has been the goal of the radical American Left since the 1960s. Sadly Americans were dumbed-down enough to elect one of the most dedicated radicals as our President. Given a Senate majority filled with like-minded "Democratic Socialists," the rest of the story plays out seamlessly.
It is. But the law against treason is very loosely enforced or else half the democrat party would be in prison.
Don't you and the neocons mean "Eliminate the power of the United States to be the world hegemon".
You NeoCons pulled out all the stops to try to stop the passage of START last year but failed. So now you will try to legislatively preclude the prez, STATE, DOD, and Energy from using certain provisions to implement START, in this particular case, the technology exchanges.
Since foreign policy is the prerogative the Senate we will have to wait and see what happens there.
In the meantime the House GOP has some good veto bait.
I see... and the military establishment is “just going along”.. following orders?..
That would make them TRAITORS..
Have Bill Clinton and Obama promoted TRAITORS as Generals and Admirals of the armed forces?..
WHO, I ask you, would be surprised if they did?..
Take Weasley Clark as an example.. or Colin Powell..
The list, ping
Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list
IOW YOU SUPPORT OBAMA giving away our defense technology.
You ARE an idiot.
The United States is being set up for the biggest economic and military “hit” in history.
They must take down the USA to implement the New World Order/One World Government.
Can you tell me how you plan to fight the war on terror, the war on Islam, and a rekindled cold war at the same time. How much is all that going to cost?
There’s only one word that normal, sane people can use for this: treason.
-- Winston Churchill
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
-- Winston Churchill
Or better yet, let Obama decide, then try to hang it around his neck.
What’s that got to do with giving the Russians our defense assets?
Bill Clinton gave all kinds of secrets to the Chi-coms as a result of thier generous campaign donations.
Fairs fair, Obammy deserves to leave office filthy rich too
There is a big picture. START starts with Reagan's SALT 3 that advanced as START by the Realists in Reagan's second term, passed by the Realists during GHW Bush. It expired while the NeoCons controlled GW Bush's foreign policy and they wouldn't renew it. When Obama was elected the Realists got the new START passed and now the NeoCons are trying to block implementation of the new START.
And what really has the NeoCons panties in a knot is that if and when START gets implemented, the next treaty will be the comprehensive test ban treaty.
Folks,this is treason just like when Clinton gave the Russians the technology to make their subs make less noise.
I think our Military/Indrustial Complex of companies want this information shared so that they have to come up with new ways to defend America against our own technology.
They dont make any profits if no one is fighting. Look at the cost of these new aircraft that our military is wanting to bring on line. The costs get higher and higher and no end is in sight.
Google/U-tube Eisenhower’s speech in 1959 where he warned us to get these people under control or they would ruin America.
They are doing exactly what Eisenhower said they would do!
America was warned 52 years ago and still we have done nothing to stop them. We have only made the problem worse.
So, do you support a comprehensive test ban treaty, and/or giving our defense assets to the Russians?
This article is written by NeoCons so it is mis-info. So you may want to frame it as "giving our defense assets to the Russians", but the actual language is "technology exchanges".
I understand that Free Republic is a NeoCon website and most here toe the NeoCon line. Those here that aren't NeoCons are usually Isolationists. But I am a pragmatic realist so I don't agree with NeoCons and Isolationists.
So last year I supported START with the "exchange" language and still do. Like wise all the prominent Realists gave support. And that included all the living republican ex Secretaries of State, to include Kissinger, Schultz, Baker, Powell, and Rice.
As for a test ban treaty we will have to wait and see, but I will note that the State Dept is claiming that, as it is written now, Kissinger, Schultz and Scowcroft have signed off.
Kissinger, Schultz, Baker, Powell, and Rice.
It would be hard to compile a list of five people I distrust more than that one.
That's because you are a NeoCon. You love that nation building stuff.
Zero will not be happy as long as there is a conservative Jew or Christian left alive.
“This is reset”, winning hearts and minds in Russia by disarming us and arming the marxists of the world... via IMF world currency fund raising currency of Hillary.
Don’t you dare step on the pods and jobs of the body snatchers and hate Russia into the USSR (/sarc off)
Once our burden and debt goes to the Democrates, it will be mass deportation and destruction in AMerica. Our army will be destroyed.
Their agenda reeks of evil. They have crippled the GOP Senate caucus by raising mountains of money to nominate internationalist trash to the Senate as "Republicans" and imagine (a desire for a steady diet of caviar, a love affair with baby-butchering, a lust for eugenics uber alles, their support for the "rights" of fudge-packers, their sashaying surrender monkey "foreign policy" and disarmament schemes and their purposeful impoverishment of most of America's population by sending their jobs anywhere but the USA) to be "realism."
Lawn tennis or tiddleywinks, anyone? I say! What a smashing good show!!!
Those philistine FReepers don't even want to fund Mr. Mapplethorpe's bullwhip up the wazoo photos!!! They are just not "realistic."
What you reference as "realism" is Alger Hiss, George McGovern, Bertrand Russell, Code Pink, Comrade O, Gore Vidal, Ramsay Clarke and their ilk, rolled up into a bundle on steroids.
If you don't care for a manly foreign policy, why are you here on FR???
Abrogate each and every treaty limiting or compromising US defense and prerogatives in any way whatsoever. Shut down the State Department altogether until it can be restored to the control of patriots. Remove the weasel from the White House. Conduct our foreign policy by the use of the Air Force and our Navy's ballistic missile submarines with maximum kill power and damage inflicted as necessary or as deemed desirable in this nation's interests with few American casualties or service personnel taken prisoner.
Not "technology exchanges" merely but "technology exchanges" designed to sell our nation down the river, to geld our military, to empower world government and Papa Bushie's "New World Order."
Is there some reason why conservatives should CARE what you believe????
Explain to me, what is the difference between your neocon compassion and the leftwing's humanatarianism?
What you obviously fail to grasp is that the "Realists" you defend are leftwing.
everything is for sale with administration
There is a tradition in the GOP that Realists serve as Sec of State and NSA, but if you want to call them leftwing that is OK with me.
I just returned online moments ago, and just worked my way in my pings down to Ben Ficklin’s response to me. I thought I’d read the comments on the thread beyond his prior to responding, and glad I did.
Thanks to you both for your outstanding commentary, responses to Mr. Ficklin.
I see Mr. Ficklin is apparently gearing for debate. I won’t be responding to him any further as I won’t debate a Leftist idiot. It’s a waste of precious time.
Oh well, thanks for your permission. I note that you don’t deny that what you describe as “Realists” are left-wing.
And while left-wingers may sell themselves as realists, it’s never true. Liberals have no access to wisdom, or shall we say “real reality.” The best they can muster is a cheap imitation.
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