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Oakland Effect: Scholar says 'black violence is the unfinished business of the post slavery period'
MercuryNews.com ^ | 06/12/2011 | Scott Johnson

Posted on 06/12/2011 7:08:54 AM PDT by artichokegrower

This is an excerpt from reporter Scott Johnson's blog, which focuses on the impact of violence and trauma on the community. Go to www.oaklandeffect.com for updates on his reporting.

When the architects of apartheid South Africa were drawing up their urban plans, they paid special attention to the highways. In the seaside city of Cape Town, for instance, the white rulers pushed tens of thousands of blacks and people of mixed racial ancestry out of the cities and into squatter camps several miles outside the city, in a barren wasteland that came to be known as the Cape Flats.

The government then built highways from the city center out to the flats and beyond. The idea was simple. In the event of an armed insurrection by the black majority, the South African army, controlled by the white minority, would be able to rush out along the highways with tanks and armored personnel carriers to crush the rebels.

Furthermore, when the government deigned to formalize the squatter camps and build proper homes for the residents, they also made sure to ring the camps with a Byzantine network of roads that encircled the population. There was one way in and one way out, and this too made it easier for government forces to crush would-be opponents. The flats were designed to be a sort of prison -- an open air prison, to be sure -- but a prison nonetheless.

The history of the white man's oppression of black people was the subject of a recent conversation I had with a professor at UCLA. His name is Boyd James. He's originally from Trinidad, and he speaks with a deeply resonant, Caribbean-inflected accent.

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Thanks for moving to the USA from Trinidad, getting a position at taxpayer financed UCLA and then telling us what a bunch of A-holes we are. Please allow me to get you a nice hot cup of STFU!
1 posted on 06/12/2011 7:08:59 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
No-one had to tell me...

I already knew it was my fault.
(I deserve it too)

2 posted on 06/12/2011 7:11:59 AM PDT by blam
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To: artichokegrower
The history of the white man's oppression of black people.....

Uhhhhhhhh, Scott? You copy me, Scott? Got your ears on, Scott? I gots a question for you that only you will be smart enough to answer.

When the evil white slave traders got to Africa to buy or steal their slaves, who rounded them up for the slave traders?

Oh. And can you name one continent on this planet where the slave trade is still practiced.

Oh. I mean, can you name one continent other than Africa where the slave trade is still being practiced.

Take your time, Scott. We got all day.

3 posted on 06/12/2011 7:15:09 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: artichokegrower
The history of the white man's oppression of black people was the subject of a recent conversation I had with a professor

No doubt. A much more novel -- and equally productive, I daresay -- conversation might have been over the recent oppression of white people by blacks. Considering the levels of black-on-white crime, the parasitic nature of much of black "culture," the double-standard myth of "equality" that favors blacks over whites, the steady erosion of white values as ineffective, marginal black values are promoted, and the position of blacks as moral superiors in today's world, that conversation might have yielded something more than an impression that this author and this professor were just rehashing a worn-out theme.

4 posted on 06/12/2011 7:15:51 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: blam

What crap!
Its still their african culture and their african identity.

The jackass needs to take a trip to Africa, examine the situation and then tell me its the result of slavery. Africans are Africans and proud of it!!!


5 posted on 06/12/2011 7:16:21 AM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: blam

What crap!
Its still their african culture and their african identity.

The jackass needs to take a trip to Africa, examine the situation and then tell me its the result of slavery. Africans are Africans and proud of it!!!


6 posted on 06/12/2011 7:16:35 AM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: artichokegrower

“Boyd said he is fed up with theories about absentee fatherhood.”

Then tell us why blacks were making gains (slowly) into the middle class during the 50’s & we didn’t have all this violence until after the welfare state became firmly embedded in society.


7 posted on 06/12/2011 7:18:23 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: artichokegrower
The history of the white man's oppression of black people was the subject of a recent conversation I had with a professor at UCLA. His name is Boyd James. He's originally from Trinidad, and he speaks with a deeply resonant, Caribbean-inflected accent.

Let me guess. And you speak with a medium-high, California-castrati/Valley Girl inflected accent.

8 posted on 06/12/2011 7:18:38 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

Name the religion that still practices slavery, Scotty boy!


9 posted on 06/12/2011 7:19:26 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: artichokegrower
It must be such a comfort for some African Americans to blame all of their problems on white people. It relieves them of any responsibility. I wonder how Dr. Williams and Dr. Sowell would see the situation. Actually I have a pretty good idea how they would see the situation.
10 posted on 06/12/2011 7:19:31 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Name the religion that still practices slavery, Scotty boy!

Now, now, now. It's a peaceful slavery.

11 posted on 06/12/2011 7:21:17 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: artichokegrower

“Scholar says ‘black violence is the unfinished business of the post slavery period”

Not one of the scumbag criminals that happen to be black has ever been or known a slave. This “Scholar” is a fraud.


12 posted on 06/12/2011 7:22:44 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: artichokegrower

Sorry, the guilt thing won’t work anymore.

We are entering a new era. We are going to start demanding that the black race take RESPONSIBILITY for its own failures.

We’re no longer going to let you abuse your freedoms, then play the race card to get a pass on it.


13 posted on 06/12/2011 7:24:44 AM PDT by Walrus (Government abuse of taxing powers caused the FIRST American Revolution...)
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To: Texas Eagle

It must be such a burden to be black and bd the descendent of the only ethnic group that was ever held as slaves. I’m sure no Jews or even my own Scottish or Irish ancestors would know what it’s like to be held as a slave or bought and sold with the land they live on.


14 posted on 06/12/2011 7:25:11 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: artichokegrower
'black violence is the unfinished business of the post slavery period'

Actually it's the unfinished business of the destruction of the black family by the liberals' Great Society welfare state.

In the 1950's a black man was more likely to be married, have a job and go to church regularly than a white man.

15 posted on 06/12/2011 7:26:56 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: artichokegrower

Just like black violence in the 14th century.


16 posted on 06/12/2011 7:27:25 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: artichokegrower

F U B J


17 posted on 06/12/2011 7:27:56 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: muir_redwoods

A good starting point is to look at the history of Africa.
Show me their civilizations over the last 5000 years. They didn’t happen. Central America/ south America had incas, Mayans, Aztecs... you can go into the jungle and see their ruins today, but, Africa does not have ANY evidence of one excepting perhaps a brief “great” Zimbabwe.

I have to believe that the white man oppressed them then too. (Actually, the muslims were very active there)

A excellent video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT_RSDeAYjI


18 posted on 06/12/2011 7:28:33 AM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: Grunthor

Just more BS about the poor black man.

Every other ethnic race in this country has made it just fine, but the poor black man just cannot make it because of us Honkies.


19 posted on 06/12/2011 7:29:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: muir_redwoods
Your compassion and understanding of the plight of the great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of slaves almost brings a tear to my eyes.

Or maybe it's that fresh pile of poop that my dog just deposited outside my window.

20 posted on 06/12/2011 7:31:59 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: artichokegrower

OK, so how long these folks be needin to practice they violence on wyatt people to make ev’thin coo?

Just let us know when its done so we can resume defending our selves without offending some moron like you, Scott.


21 posted on 06/12/2011 7:32:30 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: artichokegrower

The real story is the story of the black mans oppression of the black man like in Africa.. and the white mans oppression of the white man like in Russia.. and the yellow mans oppression of the yellow man like in China.. and even the red mans oppression of the red man like in north america and the brown mans oppression of the brown man like in Mexico and Peru..

Tangentially there is the Elite Americans oppression of the Urban American.. like in Detroit, New York City, Chicago, and San Fransiko..


22 posted on 06/12/2011 7:34:01 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: blam

Slavery is the only explanation allowed for black crime, general lack of achievement, and other behavioral pathologies. It doesn’t really explain anything; it is just the only explanation permitted.


23 posted on 06/12/2011 7:34:04 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Walrus

Many blacks demand to be associated with the black racial identity, but then refuse to accept the bad that comes with it. Other blacks (a distinct minority within the minority) associate themselves with the *American* identity, are much better off for it, and see no reason to deny the reality of the failure of much of black inner city culture.

Until we can begin having a rational national conversation about these issues, we will continue to have significant black-white racial friction. Part of it starts by whites repudiating White Guilt. I suggest any whites still harboring such start by awarding themselves an Absolution of White Guilt, which American talk show host Ken Hamblin (who happens to be black) used to pass out to everyone:

http://www.radical-conservative.org/certificate.html

Just cut’n’paste your name in over the web site name and print out.


24 posted on 06/12/2011 7:36:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: artichokegrower

Very good. Now explain Africa....


25 posted on 06/12/2011 7:37:38 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: blam

Just (finally) saw the Clint Eastwood movie “Grand Torino”. It was a slap of reality that echos his prediction of the future. Considering the news stories popping up recently about black on latino violence and “yut flash-mobs” doing everything from theft to assault, it was a very interesting look into Clint’s view of the world...


26 posted on 06/12/2011 7:40:14 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: artichokegrower
Oakland Effect: Scholar says 'black violence is the unfinished business of the post slavery period'

Incorrect, it will be the end of the instigators.

Let the violent socialist movement enjoy their dreams for a brief moment however, before reality strikes a final blow.

27 posted on 06/12/2011 7:41:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: artichokegrower
Yes there is a deliberate attempt to murder black people, especially black boys....


Its called abortion and liberalism and that makes REAL BLACK GENOCIDE the 800 pound gorilla in the room...

28 posted on 06/12/2011 7:43:46 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: Venturer

I was asked once if I was a racist. This question was posed to me by a black friend in the army. I asked him a question in return; “Is indifference hate?” Because if it is, then I am probably guilty. I simply cannot work up enough G.A.S. about black people as a race to hate them.


29 posted on 06/12/2011 7:44:35 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: himno hero

I always ask: just list me any invention that came from the sub Saharan africa continent?

Times up and sorry the blow gun does not count as it was in use in South America long ago too.

Beyond that, I am so tired of these race baiters. Slavery was ended and citizenship granted almost 150 years ago. Neither I nor any of my ancestors ever owned slaves as most were dirt poor when they arrived in the US without even knowing the language. They survived, learned and worked toward citizenship around the turn of 1900. Their decendants all have it better than they did as they ensured they got educations and worked for what they got. Same for my wifes family whose only step up from my ancestors is they spoke english when they arrived in the 1800’s. Why the disconnect. Someone else noted it in a prior post, the “Great Society” legislation of the less than great dummocrat party took away the family roots for all poor people most of whom were black. The damage cannot be overcome IMO. Families were demolished as the onus for welfare was to be single. The affects of these programs are now moving into the rest of society so I fear rather than it just being a problem for the black community, our whole society is denegrating into a society based on individuals preying on the remainder of a civilized society.


30 posted on 06/12/2011 7:45:43 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Twotone

In other words, he doesn’t want to hear anything about personal responsibility. You can’t make a living teaching people to act like adults, but in this day and age you can live like a king preaching about injustice and the evil white man. Hell, our own government will pay you to do just that. What crap.


31 posted on 06/12/2011 7:46:31 AM PDT by cbvanb
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To: artichokegrower

Nice information on South Africa. Maybe they can make it into a brochure and distribute it to travel agencies.


32 posted on 06/12/2011 7:49:55 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: artichokegrower

What about the Democrat practice of incarcerating black people in a prison of economic dependency? Young black men are angry and violent because their fathers were never around thanks to the Democrat party and liberal ideology.

Not to mention the fact that liberal ideology has been instrumental in elevating immoral principles over moral ones within black communities.


33 posted on 06/12/2011 7:49:55 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (According to PDSers, anyone who doesn't hate Palin must be a Palin worshipper.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Have a tissue....ya’ jackwagon.
34 posted on 06/12/2011 7:49:59 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The Sixteenth Amendment - a.k.a. - The Slavery Amendment)
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To: Nat Turner
It does make one wonder about the desire by liberals for state-sponsored abortion and the acceptance of illegal immigration.

Is the goal a shift in the racial mix of the low wage workforce?

If you ask candidly, employers will tell you which group makes the better workforce.

35 posted on 06/12/2011 7:57:10 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The Sixteenth Amendment - a.k.a. - The Slavery Amendment)
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To: artichokegrower

“He said countries where whites have systematically oppressed people of color are those where so-called black-on-black violence is the worst. He points to South Africa, Nigeria. And to the U.S.”

Nigeria? Whose oppressing blacks in Nigeria?

“By way of comparison, it is interesting to note that South Africa, where institutionalized slavery and oppression ended just 15 years ago, has become one of the most crime-ridden and dangerous not-at-war countries in the world. Fifty people are murdered every day there, and the vast majority of them are blacks or other people of color killing other blacks and other people of color.”

This guy seems to have just invalidated his original thesis.


36 posted on 06/12/2011 7:59:49 AM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: Mouton

The people , as many as there are on that vast continent could never get organized long enough to demonstrate organized farming and a structured existence known as civilization.
Tribalism and warring has always had greater importance, let alone their total African philosophy that no one can get ahead of the chief... sorry chiefs... as many communities have a chief by day and another for the night.

Their failure is in their black persona and has been going on since the beginning of time. Anyone who points at the whiteman for the blacks failure is only a race baiter. They dont need a whiteman to fail! For them oppression starts at home in Africa!


37 posted on 06/12/2011 8:03:04 AM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: artichokegrower

Wouldn’t it be better to deal with the present and the future, rather than the past?


38 posted on 06/12/2011 8:03:18 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: tanuki

Is this guy a “affirmative action scholar” or a regular scholar? As Barry has taught us, it makes a difference.


39 posted on 06/12/2011 8:06:31 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: artichokegrower

5-6 generations later and still making excuses for their failures as a sub-culture.
Black on black violence has nothing to do with white people.


40 posted on 06/12/2011 8:11:11 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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'black violence is the unfinished business of the post slavery period'

Forget for a moment that my southern Alabama forebearers' families were so poor they were more likely to be slaves than to own them....

You liberal douchebags can make all of the excuses you want for criminal behavior. When it affects me or my family I will provide 45 caliber periods to any "unfinished business" I encounter.

42 posted on 06/12/2011 8:12:57 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies and Radical Moo-slims. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
I think you might be correct as having a more compliant and submissive work force is desired...Also I see a need to keep a large "lumpen proletariat" for political thuggery is needed...


The goal is to end the traditional American path of upward mobility (both social and economic) for new immigrants. They want us permanently frozen in the 1930-50's, where we are all poor, needy and fighting each other for government benefits....

43 posted on 06/12/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: Grunthor

I don’t hate black people, I just wish they would stop hating me. I never owned one of them.


44 posted on 06/12/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: artichokegrower

I think we could make everything right if we would just ship all the blacks back to Africa and then let them Immigrate like everyone else if they want to live here.


45 posted on 06/12/2011 8:14:50 AM PDT by jrd
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To: artichokegrower

I guess not nearly enough whiteys died in the War Between The States.


46 posted on 06/12/2011 8:19:05 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: jrd

Monroe tried that... even created Liberia for that reason!


47 posted on 06/12/2011 8:21:45 AM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: himno hero
Show me their civilizations over the last 5000 years. They didn’t happen.

Did you know that Egypt is in Africa?

Nothing thousands of years old to see there though.</sarc>

48 posted on 06/12/2011 8:21:59 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: himno hero
Monroe tried that... even created Liberia for that reason!

Interesting thing about that too; the blacks who "returned" to Liberia began oppressing the natives in the same manner whites are accused of doing to blacks today.

49 posted on 06/12/2011 8:24:02 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Grunthor

If you aren’t preoccupied with your skin color 24/7 then you are a racist according to K. Marvin Moss, guest writer for the Kansas City Star newspaper - found here - http://www.kansascity.com/2011/06/10/2941651/era-of-white-privilege-must-end.html#storylink=misearchcurrent


50 posted on 06/12/2011 8:26:58 AM PDT by x_plus_one (fiqh al aqalliyyat: flood the zone and win big.)
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