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Woman inspector 'humiliated' by failing riot test wins up to 30k (U.K.)
DailyMail.U.K. ^ | 6/12/11 | Robert Verkaik

Posted on 06/12/2011 7:42:22 AM PDT by SanFranDan

For 30 years it has been used to test the fitness of officers who police riots and other outbreaks of serious public disorder.

The so-called 'shield run' involves officers covering a distance of 500 metres in less than two minutes, 45 seconds while wearing full riot gear and carrying a shield.

But when Inspector Diane Bamber, 51, failed to meet the time limit, she claimed she had been left humiliated.

She brought a sex and age discrimination case against her force, Greater Manchester Police, and now stands to win up to £30,000 after an employment tribunal ruled in her favour.

The landmark case has opened the door for thousands of other women officers to claim payouts and has triggered a review of specialist police training across the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: dianebamber; discrimination; lawsuitabuse; lowerstandards; ungland

1 posted on 06/12/2011 7:42:27 AM PDT by SanFranDan
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To: SanFranDan
Being able to do the job -- reward: minimal.
Being unable to do the job -- reward: immense.
2 posted on 06/12/2011 7:47:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: SanFranDan

I wonder how she’d feel if she was on patrol and got a call for a rape in progress. When she responds and see the perp still raping the poor young girl, she’s not fit enough to attack the perp and he gets up and runs away. Would she claim her back up took too long to respond?


3 posted on 06/12/2011 7:47:55 AM PDT by shadeaud (" If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Being able to do the job — reward: minimal.
Being unable to do the job — reward: immense.”
Bringing a suit for being embarrassed....priceless.


4 posted on 06/12/2011 7:50:55 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: SanFranDan

So now incompetents are a protected class?


5 posted on 06/12/2011 7:54:24 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: SanFranDan

So her feelings matter more than the people she would be in charge of protecting (or in her case, NOT protecting) in a riot?


6 posted on 06/12/2011 7:59:02 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: SanFranDan

Put her worthless @$$ front and center in the next riot.


7 posted on 06/12/2011 8:05:11 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies and Radical Moo-slims. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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To: SanFranDan
the silly cow embarrassed herself by thinking she could pass the test! Ungland...
8 posted on 06/12/2011 8:08:57 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SanFranDan

She ought to be humiliated for bringing the damned lawsuit!


9 posted on 06/12/2011 8:11:05 AM PDT by newzjunkey (While Weinergate distracts, what is Obama doing your liberties?)
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To: SanFranDan
covering a distance of 500 metres in less than two minutes, 45 seconds while wearing full riot gear and carrying a shield

No joke. Even as a dude, you must have a reasonable fitness level to do this. A 51yo lady, it will be tough.

10 posted on 06/12/2011 8:12:23 AM PDT by Palter (We can't afford a Republican or Dem President. We are broke.)
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To: Feckless
Put her worthless @$$ front and center in the next riot.

And thus endanger her fellow officers. I get the feeling that these review commissions are likely slanted to the petitioners and that the administrators tolerate this because the complainers generally leave after the award. However the precedent stinks and it stays around forever. "Penny wise but Pound foolish!"

11 posted on 06/12/2011 8:12:35 AM PDT by SES1066 (Michael Moore - a pernicious progluddite of socialism!)
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To: shadeaud

Just remember the old joke about walking in the woods with a friend and encountering a grizzly bear. You don’t have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the other guy.

Ask her to think about a mob of Muslim “youth”, a la, Egypt’s Arab Springtime, coming after her like they did Lara Logan.


12 posted on 06/12/2011 8:12:56 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know.)
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To: SanFranDan

Nothing new to this.

I remember a recruit class at the Fire Academy .
Recruits were required to put up a 24’ ladder by themselves.

The ladder is listed in the training manual as a two-man ladder, but the point was, most any Firefighter can and will be called upon to put it up alone on the fireground.

This young lady could not get it up so they let her go.
She sued the Chief, a Captain, and the Fire Department and won the suit. She passed the school and went downtown to an Engine Company, where she sucked so badly it was pathetic.
She went on sick leave for a supposed back injury and was found to be working at a Safeway store as cashier while on sick leave. She couldnt beat that one.

I have noticed that some Fire Departments have Rodeo’s where Firefighter compete in job skills. I have al;so noticed that there are two classes, men and women. If the women get paid the same why arent they required to compete with the men?


13 posted on 06/12/2011 8:30:30 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SanFranDan
The Mail on Sunday understands that the Association of Chief Police Officers is now reviewing the lawfulness of the physical training formats for 13 specialist operational roles, including those for firearms officers, which could discriminate against women and older officers.

How can having standards of excellence possibly be lawful?!

Good heavens, why should we expect our law enforcement officers to prove that they can do the jobs we are paying them to do? It is demeaning and insulting.

Just because if they fail to do their job they put the public and their fellow officers lives in danger does not give the state the right to test LEO’s competence.

After all someone is bound to fail and then their feeling will be hurt and they may loose self esteem.

14 posted on 06/12/2011 8:35:08 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: SanFranDan

Infants and people in hospice care should sue too.


15 posted on 06/12/2011 8:40:28 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Venturer
If the women get paid the same why arent they required to compete with the men?

Women have different fitness levels in the military and are paid the same[by rank].

16 posted on 06/12/2011 8:42:06 AM PDT by Palter (We can't afford a Republican or Dem President. We are broke.)
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To: SanFranDan

So, in the UK, any level of standard that a woman cannnot make is an automatic payout? So, no more standards of any kind in the UK. OK. Let them fly an airliner they are not qualified to fly. Drive fire trucks they cannot drive. Be on the queens protection detail, etc.

The UK has fast become a society that is too stupid to continue to survive...and we are not far behind.


17 posted on 06/12/2011 8:45:34 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Palter

Running at 8 MPH for 645 yards is the requirement. Roughly 1 1/2 laps around a standard 440 yard track in 165 seconds.


18 posted on 06/12/2011 8:50:57 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Palter; SanFranDan

i’m an old fat guy, and i can do that.
...that’s about a 9 min. mile pace?
not much faster than a fast walk.

if she can’t do that for 1 lap,
i sure wouldn’t want my life to depend on her,
in an emergency!!!


19 posted on 06/12/2011 8:54:20 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Myrddin

Sure, throw in the gear, and its alot of fun. Helmet, boots, shield, belt, vest, etc.


20 posted on 06/12/2011 8:54:40 AM PDT by Palter (We can't afford a Republican or Dem President. We are broke.)
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To: SanFranDan

She’s 51 and female. She’s not as likely to do well on such a test as, say, a 26-year-old man. You would think that she’d realize that going in.


21 posted on 06/12/2011 9:17:04 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: SES1066
And thus endanger her fellow officers

Her fellow officers know what they are dealing with. She might just get the level of backup she provides.

22 posted on 06/12/2011 9:34:57 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies and Radical Moo-slims. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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To: SanFranDan

Not much chance she would ever face an unruly crowd anyway...at least in England...especially if there’s a muslim in the crowd.


23 posted on 06/12/2011 9:51:26 AM PDT by moovova (That laser-like focus was just a sharp stick in the eye.)
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To: SanFranDan

well I would think if she were every deployed and could not perform the duties as required, as a fellow officer, I would be compelled to sue HER for putting my safety at risk. Coincidently, I would ask for 30K in damages... to be donated back to the taxpayer who was robbed.


24 posted on 06/12/2011 9:52:22 AM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: SanFranDan

If she can’t do the job she needs to go. Having said that, I am a 51 yo male and work on a farm. I know I could do it, but it would probably lay me up for the next three days. Hurts my feet and ankles just thinking about it.


25 posted on 06/12/2011 9:52:59 AM PDT by Boiling point (Cain / Palin 2012)
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To: SanFranDan

If you have to run 500 meters in a riot, my guess is that you will have dropped your shield and baton and probably tossed off your vest. A better test would be if you can bust open a watermelon with your baton. The best way to break up a riot is with pistols from behind the shields. Oh, this is England. Give the rioters money.


26 posted on 06/12/2011 10:04:25 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SanFranDan

Sounds like the cases that were used to water down U.S. police forces, where every test used to weed the incompetent from the competent that happened to end up with there being a black applicant who failed was, ipso facto, racist. Now, any incompetent can be a police officer, so long as s/he is also black. Perhaps that explains the surfeit of “ethnic” meter maids and bumper butlers in NYC.


27 posted on 06/12/2011 10:07:26 AM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: SanFranDan

End all feminist thinking in politics! (”I was humiliated...”). It’s not about your feelings woman, it’s about doing the specific job.


28 posted on 06/12/2011 10:19:03 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Didn’t you know that’s what bear spray is for? You just squirt it in the face of the person you are with and then take off. ;-)


29 posted on 06/12/2011 10:22:17 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: SanFranDan
Those folks across the pond are stuck on stupid parody.
30 posted on 06/12/2011 10:42:18 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (They think "just because she's right on every damn issue doesn't give her enough credibility.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

“Didn’t you know that’s what bear spray is for? “

Oh, I thought that it & the little bells were so that you could tell grizzly scat from black bear scat.

;-)


31 posted on 06/12/2011 10:50:02 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Same crap happens here.


32 posted on 06/12/2011 11:08:14 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Feckless
Her fellow officers know what they are dealing with. She might just get the level of backup she provides.

Probably true. But regardless of who needs the backup, the situation is going to involve a bunch of fail. The best way out used to be a firm hazing until the incompetent left or got their act together, but that's no longer possible.

33 posted on 06/12/2011 11:26:32 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Palter

My argument still holds.

If they are paid the same they should be able to do the same job.


34 posted on 06/12/2011 12:37:23 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: shadeaud

Now the cops will just sit there in their car watching you get attacked, and maybe come over to help you afterwards. At least in the UK, that is.


35 posted on 06/12/2011 12:47:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Myrddin; Elendur
Running at 8 MPH for 645 yards is the requirement.

i’m an old fat guy, and i can do that. ...that’s about a 9 min. mile pace? not much faster than a fast walk.

500 meters is 546 yards, 29" in 165 seconds, which works out to about 6.7 MPH which is spot on for a 9 minute mile. A fast walk is about 3 MPH.

It is clear to me she was gaming the system. I think that 51 YO guys would have a hard time with the requirements.

Regards,
GtG

PS I'm an old fat guy too and no way can I walk anywhere that fast.

36 posted on 06/12/2011 2:24:02 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Dosent happen in the US as well?.

Yeah, right.


37 posted on 06/12/2011 3:32:37 PM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: moovova

good point.
i read they sent armed officers and a helicopter to arrest a kid who accidently broke a greenhouse pane with a soccer ball.

but a Muslim who plastered a bunch of “gay free zone” posters, was fined about $150.

can you IMAGINE the MSM reaction here, if an Evangelical put up posters like that ? think he’d get off with a fine?


38 posted on 06/12/2011 5:08:28 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

this fat old Tolkien lover, thanks his fellow fat old Tolkien lover for doing the math.
(i guess that’s why you’re the Wizard!)

...LONG Long ago (in a galaxy far away?), i ran 26 mile marathons. so i’m glad my quick guess was close.
and race walkers do about 7mph i think.
maybe i couldn’t walk for an hour. but even now, i think i could do ONE lap at 5mph walking. and much faster jogging.

again, even with full gear, “passing score” is just jogging speed for a little over a lap. hardly unfair for a public defender, i think.


39 posted on 06/12/2011 5:19:36 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur
...if an Evangelical put up posters like that ? think he’d get off with a fine?

He'd be hounded into re-hab along with Rep Weiner.

40 posted on 06/12/2011 5:48:08 PM PDT by moovova (That laser-like focus was just a sharp stick in the eye.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
My wife and I just visited Yellowstone National Park for our 33rd wedding anniversary last Thursday. I'm almost 55. We decided to take the hike down to the brink of the lower falls on the Yellowstone River. It's a 600 foot drop in elevation on the trail from the parking lot down to the brink. The elevation in that area is 7600 ft. That little walk will get your attention...especially if you're not acclimated to the elevation.
41 posted on 06/12/2011 9:35:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Palter
Five years ago I went through aviation survival training at age 50. Jumping in the pool with a full flight suit, helmet and steel toed boots for a 15 yard underwater swim was quite a challenge. They refer to the course as "High Risk Training". The price for failure goes way beyond humiliation.
42 posted on 06/12/2011 9:40:40 PM PDT by Myrddin
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