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Gates Pitches Military Pay Cuts
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2011-05-25 | Julian E. Barnes & Nathan Hodge

Posted on 06/12/2011 4:30:21 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

WASHINGTON—The coming round of Pentagon budget cuts will force lawmakers to consider reducing military pay and benefits, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday, raising an issue that could prove politically sensitive in a time of war

In what was billed as Mr. Gates's last major policy speech, the outgoing Pentagon chief said the government would have to "re-examine military compensation," consider altering the retirement system to bring down costs, and address spiraling health-care costs.

Trimming Pentagon spending, Mr. Gates said, "will entail going places that have been avoided by politicians in the past."

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1 posted on 06/12/2011 4:30:29 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
Trimming Pentagon spending, Mr. Gates said, "will entail going places that have been avoided by politicians in the past."

Yes. Such as impeachment.

Our heroes deserve every dollar and benefit a grateful people can provide.

2 posted on 06/12/2011 4:31:40 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama are not rivals, they're running mates." - Rep. Thaddeus McCotter)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yeah...don’t rein in welfare, unemployment or entitlements.

... be sure to screw the military.


3 posted on 06/12/2011 4:33:12 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This is outrageous and better be a campaign issue.

Hussein and Moochelle are living like a King and Queen while we have military on food stamps!


4 posted on 06/12/2011 4:33:36 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: rabscuttle385

I propose to make the salary of representatives and senators the same as an E-4.


5 posted on 06/12/2011 4:33:42 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a (small) monthly donor.)
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To: rabscuttle385; bitt; Bitsy; MamaDearest

Start calling the DC Elitists and tell them what you think at:

202-225-3121


6 posted on 06/12/2011 4:35:06 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: rabscuttle385

They deserve a cut, THEY aren’t members of SEIU. /MS


7 posted on 06/12/2011 4:35:45 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rabscuttle385

Stop getting the U.S. involved in wars in which we have no national interests. We’re bankrupt.

We should be leaving Germany, Eastern Europe, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and forget about going to war with Syria!

Bring the military home, now. We can’t afford to be the world’s police force.


8 posted on 06/12/2011 4:36:06 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: rabscuttle385

...since Gates is leaving let him take the heat. Dumbo just being Dumbo.....remember Dumbo’s “let the military take care of their injuries with their insurance? After all they volunteered.”


9 posted on 06/12/2011 4:36:23 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Our heroes deserve every dollar and benefit a grateful people can provide.

What a sense of entitlement.

10 posted on 06/12/2011 4:37:55 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385
Yea smart move, 2 wars going on let's reduce their pay and retirement benefits. They tried reducing the retirement benefits in the 80s, found out people were not hanging around to re-enlist. Wasn't it a few years ago, Obama came up with the idea that wounded veterans would have to use their personal health insurance if they had it. Sounds like another trial balloon.
11 posted on 06/12/2011 4:38:37 PM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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To: rabscuttle385
In the middle of four wars, you want to cut the pay of military service members. How much, Mr. Gates, would I have to pay you to go to a foreign land and stay for a year while people actively tried to kill you? How much would I have to pay you? A pox on you and the rest of the liars, crooks and fornicators who inhabit our capitol.

You have no idea what awaits you.

12 posted on 06/12/2011 4:39:14 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: SatinDoll
Stop getting the U.S. involved in wars in which we have no national interests.

Bingo.

The U.S. military should be defending the United States, not other countries. One only has to read recent statements by folks like Lindsey Graham about the "need" for the U.S. military to take care of Libyans, Syrians, Afghans, etc. to wonder when it will be time for the U.S. military to defend their own fellow Americans.

13 posted on 06/12/2011 4:41:42 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Doogle

I had forgotten about that! Thanks for the reminder.


14 posted on 06/12/2011 4:41:48 PM PDT by BOATSNM8
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To: rabscuttle385

SecDef STFU!!


15 posted on 06/12/2011 4:44:25 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: rabscuttle385

Theere is such a thing as genuine entitlement. Compensation for services rendered in a high-risk profession is one such.

Full disclosure: the only entitlement I have left as a result of my service is decent burials for myself and my wife. No pension or other tangible benefit; just two boxes, two stones, two holes, and one flag.


16 posted on 06/12/2011 4:44:52 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Freedom is saying "No!" to the Feds, and getting away with it. "Speak 'NO' to Power!")
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To: ScottinVA

Gates is a homo-loving, ‘rat tool.


17 posted on 06/12/2011 4:45:34 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: rabscuttle385
Yeah, cut the pay and benefits of those who are serving, and those who have served our nation but don't you dare touch Medicaid, Welfare, or Food Stamps for those who drain her dry.

F you, Mr Gates, and all your cronies.

18 posted on 06/12/2011 4:45:39 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies and Radical Moo-slims. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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To: rabscuttle385

If he cuts their pay to less than his cushy social work positions, why would there then be an army? Unless the intent is to gut the honorable military and replace it with a task force not laden with old mores. After all, even the department of education has a swat team now.


19 posted on 06/12/2011 4:45:46 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: oneolcop
You have no idea what awaits you.

I'm not sure I understand the reasoning of screwing people who have nation destroying weapons and the training and will to use them. It didn't work out too well for Rome, or for Spain, or for any other government that tried to cheat its armies.

20 posted on 06/12/2011 4:48:08 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: rabscuttle385

Over one hundred thousand IRS employees and these idiots want to cut military pay and benefits.

Enough is enough.


21 posted on 06/12/2011 4:48:08 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Tony Weiner - Internet Flasher)
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To: SatinDoll

We should be leaving Germany, Eastern Europe, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and forget about going to war with Syria!

Bring the military home, now. We can’t afford to be the world’s police force.


Well the bases in europe do help US national interessts.
They are not there to defend Europe...
They are there so the US can use it´s force in regions near by like the ME.
Just for example without the base in germany the US would not be able to fight the war in Afghanistan and iraq.
If this wars have been in US interesst is a different topic.
But fact is if you want to be able to project force around the globe then you will need forreign military bases.


22 posted on 06/12/2011 4:49:04 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: rabscuttle385
The U.S. military should be defending the United States, not other countries.

Agree...It's been an utter disaster...Costing thousands of lives, costing us trillions, not to mention we're broke, trillions in debt to Communist countries, with an economy on the brink.

23 posted on 06/12/2011 4:49:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Doogle

What congress should do this week is pass a bill that guarantees that all military votes have to be counted before an election could be certified.

Give it a catchy acronym and push it for 2012. Force Reid to pass it and Obama to sign it.

Those senators running for reelection will have no choice but to sign onto it.


24 posted on 06/12/2011 4:50:27 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin, the only candidate to be vetted by the NY Times, the Washington Post and NBC.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Go on, work to enrage these trained soldiers by making it even harder to support their families.

That’s a mistake no sane man would make, but we are taking about the sotero regime.


25 posted on 06/12/2011 4:52:03 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: ScottinVA
There is nothing worse for America than this embittered socialist manipulating the system from within.

Obamasalute-1sm
''The buck stops anywhere but here.'' -- Barry Soetoro

26 posted on 06/12/2011 4:53:06 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; rabscuttle385

>>Our heroes deserve every dollar and benefit a grateful people can provide<<

Here’s a novel idea. Create a list, with the most important things on the top, such as, oh say MILITARY PAY on top, then the least important things on the bottom, such as health care for illegals, Congresscritters’ pay, the NEA, NPR, and the entire HEW.

Start funding from the top. When the expenditures total the taxes collected, stop at that line item.


27 posted on 06/12/2011 4:54:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: dragnet2
trillions in debt to Communist countries

The irony is that a primary beneficiary of our "defense" is a certain Communist (in name only, at this point, but that doesn't matter much) country in east Asia.

This problem with radical Islamists could have been solved by cutting off their flow of funds. The bastards derive their power from their oil exports to the West; if we used our own natural resources and refused to give them access to our technology, none of this would have ever been a problem.

28 posted on 06/12/2011 4:55:35 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: ExGeeEye

Sorry to tell you that you don’t even receive a casket. My father was in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, and I had to buy his coffin and pay for the funeral. All you get is a plot, a headstone and a flag. PERIOD.


29 posted on 06/12/2011 4:57:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("We didn't lose Vietnam. We quit Vietnam." ~Gen. Al Haig)
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To: freedumb2003
health care for illegals

The only thing that the illegals should be getting is one-way tickets back to their countries of origin, billed directly to the governments of their countries of origin.

30 posted on 06/12/2011 4:57:22 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

Talked to a lot of my fellow Army pilots about this. With nearly 100% of my friends and co-workers polled, it’s nearly unanimous: If this happens, we all walk. We all get out when our current commitment is finished.

We have talked at length about how the country has asked for more and more out of each of us, and we continue to meet the demand, and now that the country is getting to the point it doesn’t need us, they are ready to toss us to the wayside.

I have payed for this country’s needs in years away from my wife and two children. YEARS. I perform a high-skill, high-stress job (AH-64D pilot)as flawlessly as possible in order to expedite my country’s goals. I don’t get compensated nearly the amount that my civilian counter-parts (aviators) do. Now, they want to pay me less.

They are wanting to cut our tuition assistance benefits as well. Just as I finally find time between deployments, constant training, and a family to attempt to finish my bachelor’s degree. Figures.

We Soldiers are all weighing the possible outcomes in the balance.....and Army life is beginning to lack more and more.

Pay us less. Change our retirement program that we signed up under. Cut our benefits. Make us pay Tricare premiums. Keep asking us to deploy for years of our lives.

Do these things, and the country will find itself without an Army.


31 posted on 06/12/2011 4:59:02 PM PDT by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Shut the deuce up!!! I'll do the fighting!!!)
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To: darkside321
Well the bases in europe do help US national interessts. They are not there to defend Europe...

Not there to defend Europe? I spent time in Europe in the military and it was exactly the reason we were there. Now it's our interest to be in Europe because of interest outside of Europe? What are we defending? Considering our navy and long reach weapons, specifically what interest is that? BTW, in war, an airport can easily and quickly be seized and utilized.

32 posted on 06/12/2011 5:00:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rabscuttle385; SatinDoll
The U.S. military should be defending the United States, not other countries.

Didn't you see all the code pinko marchers against obama for getting us into an illegal war? The posters portraying him as the Devil or Hitler? The hippies, commies and SEIU people blocking traffic in major cities demanding an end to the illegal war since it was the black man bombing the brown man?

And of course, we all saw the National Order of (ugly) Women protesting outside the halls of Congress, DEMANDING that that serial sexual harasser Wiener be removed and expunged from the rolls, just as they demanded it when bill clinton used his position of power to intimidate a young girl years ago.

Oh, wait. None of that happened, did it?

33 posted on 06/12/2011 5:00:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

What are the recuiters seeing with the class of 2011? Is the class of 2007 re-uping or bailing out. Is repeal of DADT hurting miliary recuiting and retention?? I haven’t heard a word about this. Of course 0’b wouldn’t tell us if a disaster were underway.


34 posted on 06/12/2011 5:04:02 PM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: rabscuttle385

“spiraling health-care costs” wouldn’t happen if we didn’t send our people over to defend a bunch of people that really don’t give a dam. I don’t know about anyone else but I’m getting sick and tired of being told we have to be there. We don’t HAVE to be any where in the Middle East. After ten years, we need to end this thing and end it now. Take all Nukes out of the Middle East and let them do what they want to each other.


35 posted on 06/12/2011 5:05:20 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

>>We have talked at length about how the country has asked for more and more out of each of us, and we continue to meet the demand, and now that the country is getting to the point it doesn’t need us, they are ready to toss us to the wayside.<<

All gave some, some gave all and now the government wants to give less.

I don’t blame you for wanting to walk. If the administration values stupid things like colostomy bags for illegal aliens or funding the anti-American propagandists at NPR over your service, then let barry the zero’s two kids take up the slack.

And thank you for your service. The only thing I can materially do is ensure a real Conservative gets elected in 2012 (be it Mr. Cain, Gov. Palin or maybe one of a few others).


36 posted on 06/12/2011 5:05:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: SatinDoll

“We’re bankrupt.”

so cut out the entitlements: social security, medicare, medicaid, the newly created obamacare...


37 posted on 06/12/2011 5:12:43 PM PDT by ari-freedom (All we are saying....is give the military a chance)
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To: rabscuttle385
The military won't complain much. They won't be happy and it will hurt recruitment and retainment - but they will suck it up and march forward with banners flying.

On the other hand, if we tried this stunt on all the myriads of parasites and mooches sucking on the federal teat, the cities would burn and the howls of "racism" would drown out all else. So, we'll screw the military again and continue to feed and nurture the parasites. We'll continue to pursue "peace in our time" that way for just a while more, yet.

What could possibly go wrong with a beautiful plan like that?

38 posted on 06/12/2011 5:14:17 PM PDT by Gritty (The Public Sector has become an army of occupation, socialism's occupying army -Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Waco

I honestly don’t know.

I would assume the open gaying of the ranks would do a lot to kill recruitment and retention, but maybe the hordes of san fran flamers rushing to enlist have been enough to offset any losses.


39 posted on 06/12/2011 5:14:49 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: ScottinVA
Yeah...don’t rein in welfare, unemployment or entitlements.

What about billions of dollars of foreign aid to countries that hate us, countries that consistently vote against America in the UN and countries with leadership that badmouths us?

40 posted on 06/12/2011 5:14:49 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: dragnet2

Not there to defend Europe? I spent time in Europe in the military and it was exactly the reason we were there. Now it’s our interest to be in Europe because of interest outside of Europe? What are we defending? Considering our navy and long reach weapons, specifically what interest is that? BTW, in war, an airport can easily and quickly be seized and utilized.


Oh come on.
Please don´t try to tell me that lets say 30.000 US soldiers (+ a US military hospital “where all wounded from iraq and afghanistan are brought too) in germany defend “europe”.
I mean serious against whom?
the bloody hordes of the swiss or what? (because this would be the only none EU country which borders germany)
This is not cold war anymore.
Under this logic the german air base (yeah they have one ;-) in new mexico does defend the US too (against the invisible bogeyman.
Or don´t they?
Does this mean when the german fighters leave the US will be defenceless?
I guess not!
This bases are there for strategic alliances and not for dirrect defence of a country because of the simple fact neither the US nor “europe” faces any danger for a forreign invasion. I mean how should they the US and “europe” together spend 2/3 of the golbal money for the military.
(US 50% EU 25-30%) this leaves 20% for the whole rest of the world.
So please don´t tell me that the US protects europe or the other way around.


41 posted on 06/12/2011 5:16:03 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: Repeal The 17th

Only if they accept the same degree of responsibility. And write a blank check, amount payable up to and including their sorry asses, same as the E-4 does.


42 posted on 06/12/2011 5:16:08 PM PDT by Don Carlos (Retired MSGT (USAF), and damn proud of it. I stood my watch.)
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To: rabscuttle385

“One only has to read recent statements by folks like Lindsey Graham about the “need” for the U.S. military to take care of Libyans, Syrians, Afghans, etc”

We don’t have the need to protect Libyans, Syrians, etc.
We DO have the need to take out supporters of arab/islamofascist terrorists such as Saddam, OBL, Qadaffi, Assad and Achmedinijad.


43 posted on 06/12/2011 5:17:34 PM PDT by ari-freedom (All we are saying....is give the military a chance)
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To: tbw2
If he cuts their pay to less than his cushy social work positions, why would there then be an army

A mass exit of troops over already not enough pay might mean Obama's "brown shirts" could come into fruition (and pay would necessarily go up from there, rewarding Obama's cronies as usual). Anyone got info on how much money Obama's czars each make?

44 posted on 06/12/2011 5:18:06 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: rabscuttle385
Bet you a doughnut that Congress will (uheem) ‘vote’ themselves, and their staff, a pay raise this year. Yeah, I definitely need a raise. Yes. I 'deserve' it by my own estimation.

Gee, I have never had a job in my life that let's me give myself a raise...I never worked in Congress.

Guess I was too busy trying not to get shot...

Man, but really on a serious note...this is just like King of England stuff. We have no say in anything. And these fools and clowns in Washington do not 'represent' us, they freakin' rule us with an iron boot. IMO

45 posted on 06/12/2011 5:18:45 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: rabscuttle385
What a sense of entitlement.

I agree. Pay and benefits for service members ain't bad these days. Toss in all the assorted re-up bonuses and it ain't bad at all.

It ain't easy, but it ain't bad.

46 posted on 06/12/2011 5:20:13 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Thanks a lot, Sec Gates. We do deserve better! I am currently on 22 years of service, and this is the thanks the Armed Forces get? I have never seen an administration so hostile to our military. Unbelievable!


47 posted on 06/12/2011 5:21:14 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyCaptain
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To: rabscuttle385

Well it looks like Mr. Gates is sodomizing the military in several respects: both cultural and financial aspects of the service are being violated.


48 posted on 06/12/2011 5:22:36 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: rabscuttle385

This from the man who can’t figure out how to win in Afghanistan. Here’s a piece of advice...he should receive no retirement as punishment for being a loser. And that’s being gracious. He should be giving speeches to his fellow prisoners.


49 posted on 06/12/2011 5:24:04 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: rabscuttle385

Before we chop the military budget, and especially troop pay or benefits we need to secure the border and deport all illegals ASAP. Illegals are a huge burden on our medical services, education system, all social services, and our judicial/jails, prisons. We could save a large chunk of change and open up jobs by simply enforcing laws and getting rid of people who should not be here to begin with.


50 posted on 06/12/2011 5:28:27 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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