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Gates Pitches Military Pay Cuts
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2011-05-25 | Julian E. Barnes & Nathan Hodge

Posted on 06/12/2011 4:30:21 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

WASHINGTON—The coming round of Pentagon budget cuts will force lawmakers to consider reducing military pay and benefits, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday, raising an issue that could prove politically sensitive in a time of war

In what was billed as Mr. Gates's last major policy speech, the outgoing Pentagon chief said the government would have to "re-examine military compensation," consider altering the retirement system to bring down costs, and address spiraling health-care costs.

Trimming Pentagon spending, Mr. Gates said, "will entail going places that have been avoided by politicians in the past."

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KEYWORDS: biggovernment; dod; gates; military
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To: VeniVidiVici

How about Gates and all of Congress, and yes, our Dear Leader, spend a tour in the Sand Box...then come back and take a vote on benny’s and pay.

Meadow Muffin


51 posted on 06/12/2011 5:31:15 PM PDT by Meadow Muffin
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To: rabscuttle385

IMO Gates is the worst SecDef we’ve ever had.


52 posted on 06/12/2011 5:32:35 PM PDT by cblue55 (Envisioning when all that is left is the right.)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

I don’t think they can change the current plan; they will have to change it for incoming service members. What they can do is screw with the housing/subsistence allowance by making it taxable for instance. Actually, they could cap COLA adjustments and if we have high inflation military members will get a pay cut the difference between the COLA and the inflation rate. How is that “I Love Sodomy” training going?


53 posted on 06/12/2011 5:33:07 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: rabscuttle385
BTW

The percentage is how much they 'like' Americans...oh, and, they are all Obama's brother's...

54 posted on 06/12/2011 5:38:00 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: darkside321

“But fact is if you want to be able to project force around the globe then you will need forreign [foreign] military bases.”

Thirty years ago I agreed with the above statement. I was in the U.S.Navy and we were in the middle of the Cold War. The 1980s are gone, and so is our ability to make domestic steel. Now, we no longer have an industrial base. Our Treasury is empty. We are being attacked over our southern border and millions of Americans are unemployed.

Projecting military force is great when you’re a rich and powerful nation and foreign enemies are threatening. Our enemies have shifted south, and make up the OAS.

We must bring our troops home to Fortress America.


55 posted on 06/12/2011 5:38:44 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas
I had a buddy at the range in San Diego. SEAL. Served from the opening days of Desert Shield. He was 5 days from retirement with a new civvie job lined up and a new home purchase in process in northern CA. Sept 11, 2001. An immediate "stop loss". Immediate assignment to new tasks with the SEALs. You may be prevented from leaving even if you no longer want to serve.
56 posted on 06/12/2011 5:49:07 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Gates wants to cut military pay and Gates now wants to cut NATO...but Gates don’t want to cut Joint Strike Fighter which is a $1 Trillion Dollar monstrosity which can’t be maintained by the services because it’s just too plain expensive to even do the maintenance on! You think he’s in the pocket of the big industry leaders and senate and house armed service committee members that put him in his position to shill for JSF. Meanwhile our Service Members fight, die and lose limbs for peanuts while this old degenerate is planning for his big JSF payout...just the way “Washington works”...you think he’ll be on the Corporate Board of say Lockheed Martin? Bottom line...why do we need a stealth fighter that’s too expensive? Answer...so people like Gates can get rich. At the expense of the men and women who risk their lives everyday for our freedom.


57 posted on 06/12/2011 5:52:54 PM PDT by Chuck N
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To: glorgau

I got out in 1978 as a Captain over 10, married with flight pay. A few months later I was riding a Greyhound bus and asked the driver, “If I had worked for Greyhound for six to ten years, how much would I be making?”

“Oh, it depends on which routes you had, but about $36,000 per year.”

As a Marine pilot flying a $6.5 million dollar helicopter, ready to go to war at the drop of a hat and spending 25 to 35% of my life away from my family, I was making about $24,000 per year. My enlisted crew and mechanics were making a lot less.

The current “entitlements” are for the most part handouts, not pay in exchange for work, as is the case with the military.

Why do congressmen earn $174,000 per year?

Why do Congressional chiefs of staff average $120K?

Why is the NFL minimum salary over $300K?

If the congress & press think the military is overpaid, let’s renew the draft, FOR ALL AGES up to 55. If you are drafted and don’t want to serve, you can PAY someone to take your place. At a MINIMUM, he gets your salary for two years, you get his.

NO educational deferments. If you (or your daddy) will pay $50k per year to go to Harvard, then you can pay the same to the guy taking your place in the military. If the NBA or NFL just offered you a signing bonus of $1 million and your draft number comes up, plan on signing that over to your military replacement.

Start an on-line auction to handle the bidding in case of a shortfall in people willing to take someone else’s place.

Sounds fair to me!

Who has the popcorn?

;-)


58 posted on 06/12/2011 5:53:36 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’ve got a better idea. Shut down the Depts of Education, Energy, the EPA, the BATF, the IRS, OSHA, and a few others. Fire all the employees. Cut the staffing at the Depts of Interior, Justice and State 20%. Kick the UN out of the US and leave the UN. Cut foreign aid 25% [to start].Cut ALL Federal funding for illegal immigrants. That should do ‘er.


59 posted on 06/12/2011 5:54:43 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: rabscuttle385
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

Due to FR rules I will be unable to comment on this thread.

TSgt
60 posted on 06/12/2011 5:57:35 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Karl Childers (Sling Blade 1996))
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To: SatinDoll

Thirty years ago I agreed with the above statement. I was in the U.S.Navy and we were in the middle of the Cold War. The 1980s are gone, and so is our ability to make domestic steel. Now, we no longer have an industrial base. Our Treasury is empty. We are being attacked over our southern border and millions of Americans are unemployed.

Projecting military force is great when you’re a rich and powerful nation and foreign enemies are threatening. Our enemies have shifted south, and make up the OAS.

We must bring our troops home to Fortress America.


I agree it´s allways nice to have a “fancy” millitary.
I mean serious beside some tree huggers ;-) (who doesn´t whant it?)
But the problem is “you” have to afford it.
And the moment you can´t afford it anymore is the moment to cut (This or you go the russian way).
Yeah its sounds nice to say never cut the military.
I´m a patriot so give the military the money they need.
But then again the problem is there is no money left!
So what contine the old path and then end like russia?
Losing the cold war without firing a shot because the country has gone totally broke?
Does not sound like a nice solution for me.
If you can afford it build the best military money can buy.
But when you are broke just look that the military can still be a majour force around the globe without ruining the “base”.
In my oppinion this is the solution.
Most people here will dissagree.
But then again you can´t afford a millitary only because people think you should.
Not when the country is broke beyond believe!


61 posted on 06/12/2011 5:57:40 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: rabscuttle385

cut everywhere else and increase pay and benefits in the military.


62 posted on 06/12/2011 5:59:33 PM PDT by avital2
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To: PzLdr
How about:

** Sell all unused military bases.
** Get completely out of the Pell Grant and college loan business. Return this responsibility to the states.
** Sell the National Institutes of Health
** Return all park land to the states. Fire all the employees.
** Return all BLM lands to the states.
** Sell advertising on all interstate highways. ( Instead of I-95 and Delaware Memorial Bridge. It would the Staples Highway and Southwest Air Bridge!)
** Close down TSA and return all security to the airports to be managed privately.
** Completely defund the National Endowment of the Arts and National Broadcasting.

63 posted on 06/12/2011 6:03:41 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: oneolcop

Right on. In fact how much would we have to pay politicians to serve for a year to 18 months in Iraq then six months later send them to Afghanistan then back to Iraq. Then don’t forget yeman and Libya, possibly east Africa in the future. End between tours they can serve in either Korea or Europe.


64 posted on 06/12/2011 6:10:03 PM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

We used to pay 25% for tricare Gates wants to increase that and the joke is doctors and hospitasls don’t want to accept it anymore because they don’t get reimbursed or it takes up to a year to get paid. VA will only pay for approved disability if it is service connected.


65 posted on 06/12/2011 6:19:35 PM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: darkside321
Well the bases in europe do help US national interessts. They are not there to defend Europe...

Not there to defend Europe? I spent time in Europe in the military and it was exactly the reason we were there. Now it's our interest to be in Europe because of interest outside of Europe?

What are we defending? Considering our navy and long reach weapons, specifically what interest is that? BTW, in war, an airport can easily and quickly be seized and utilized.

Please don´t try to tell me that lets say 30.000 US soldiers (+ a US military hospital “where all wounded from iraq and afghanistan are brought too) in germany defend “europe”.

What babble...Ya think we don't have military hospital ships? Ya think Europe is the only ground base in that part of the world.

Who is it that is going to attack us in the region where we need a base in Germany, simply to take the injured? Who is the big military power in the Mid East who is going to threaten our interest? Is it the Palestinian gangs running through the dusty back alleys? Is it the Turks? Egypt? The street gangs in Libya? Is it Pakistan, where we can perform raids their country while their sleeping?

What's this big military threat outside Europe? Who is going to attack the United States over there?

66 posted on 06/12/2011 6:22:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TSgt

;>)


67 posted on 06/12/2011 6:24:08 PM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: rabscuttle385
Everything has to be on the table when it comes to cutting the budget.

The little secret is you are paid very well in the military.

Dunno, the people bitching about pay, but anyone who has served recently has been paid. I can go on this one for a while.

We are broke, we need to start looking out for Americas interest. Enough babysitting the world, anyone who thinks we can continuing spending overseas on the military is living in a fantasy or has no concept of the spending problem.

68 posted on 06/12/2011 6:26:59 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: rabscuttle385

“We had been told, on leaving our native soil, that we were going to defend the sacred rights conferred on us by so many of our citizens settled overseas, so many years of our presence, so many benefits brought by us to populations in need of our assistance and our civilization.

“We were able to verify that all this was true, and because it was true, we did not hesitate to shed our quota of blood, to sacrifice our youth and our hopes. We regretted nothing, but whereas we over here are inspired by this frame of mind, I am told that in Rome factions and conspiracies are rife, that treachery flourishes, and that many people in their uncertainty and confusion lend a ready ear to the dire temptations of relinquishment and even to vilify our actions.

“I cannot believe that all this is true, and yet recent wars have shown how pernicious such a state of mind could be and to where it could lead.

“Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

“If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions.”

Centurion Marcus Flavinius, Second Cohort, Augusta Legion to his cousin Tertullus in Rome. No date given.


69 posted on 06/12/2011 6:28:13 PM PDT by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

They will have a new army, one that is more in tune with their agenda.


70 posted on 06/12/2011 6:41:04 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Progressivism, Support Palin, or get used to it.)
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To: glorgau

$68.00 a month when I first enlisted, it was a survival wage, but we all got by fine because we had food and shelter.


71 posted on 06/12/2011 6:47:42 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Progressivism, Support Palin, or get used to it.)
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To: cblue55

The SecDef, is only doing what the CIC tells him to do.


72 posted on 06/12/2011 6:49:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Progressivism, Support Palin, or get used to it.)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas
Pay us less. Change our retirement program that we signed up under. Cut our benefits. Make us pay Tricare premiums. Keep asking us to deploy for years of our lives. Do these things, and the country will find itself without an Army.

It's exactly what is happening to private sector America.

Lost jobs, cut hours, cut pay, lost businesses, investments decimated, slashed and reduced medical benefits, then throw in soaring sky high prices of everything.

You can thank your leadership in D.C. and their globalist adventures all over the planet for this. It's all but left America broke and dead on the floor. The U.S. government spending like a drunk lotto winner, while shipping trillions into overseas endeavors has left us crippled, broke and vulnerable right *here* in our own homeland.

73 posted on 06/12/2011 6:50:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Ok what is the big military treath in europe?
Please explain!
What do the 30 K US troops in germany defend?
(btw. US troops in germany are not allowed to take their weapon of base nor are they allowed to fullfill any operation outside of the military base.)
So again what do they protect?
Germany has no enemys near by and even IF so (which is not the case 30 K US troops would make NO difference)
Btw. germany alone has about 300.000 - 500.000 troops of its own (+ NO ENEMY IN RANGE).
Bevore you mention the “evil” russians i should let you know that England, france and germany ALONE (this means every country on its own does spend more then russia) do spend more money on their millitary every year.
So please don´t tell me that those soldiers protect germans against the russians (which are about a 1000 miles away).
But OK i admit if it would not be for those 30 K americans russian/Iranian or what ever thanks would roll into europe.
Yep...
Those 2 million troops the EU countries have under command
would be totally worthless when those 30 K americans are gone.
Yeah i agree eurofighters would fall out of the sky.
The europeans troops in afghanistan (more than the US has deployed in europe) would commit suicide.
Leopoard 2 tanks (btw. the US abraham uses an old gun from germany) will lose against and iranian (who will run out of fuel about 1500 miles before he can even reach europe) t 60.
Our apaches would get shot down from a AK 47 (because you know european are flying it).
But thank god “we” have those 30 K americans deployed in germany.
They will rescue us.
What 2 million soldiers thousands of modern combat aircraft and tanks, nukes, submarines, or what ever... will not achieve, those 30 k Americans (some of them serious wounded because of iraq and afghanistan) will do.
Yep as said THANK YOU for protecting my a$$ in this evil world.
(even the “evil” is thousands of miles away).


74 posted on 06/12/2011 6:51:27 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: darkside321

What a bunch of convoluted garbage.


75 posted on 06/12/2011 6:56:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yes, that really makes frigging since Gates you dumb-ass, what about the money you have helped piss away in an illegal war against Libya.


76 posted on 06/12/2011 7:07:25 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Palter; Nathan _in_Arkansas

“Everything has to be on the table when it comes to cutting the budget.”

Everything IS NOT on the table. Only the military.

Have they cut PBS (giving you 151 stations instead of just 150)? Have they cut support for Planned Parenthood? Have they cut support of illegal aliens? Have they cut the Dept of Education, which teaches no one anything on a budget of $51 Billion?

Are they cutting support to the UAW via government handouts to the car companies? What about the EPA? Any proposed cuts there from Obama?

The ONLY thing this administration is willing to cut is the military.

I spent half of my career TDY. I went places people don’t like to go and was shot at by people who hate us. My final combat tour was supporting the US Army in Afghanistan in 2007, and I worked with guys on their third tour back then.

Retirement pay is not a gift. It is delayed compensation. It is paying for services on the installment plan. When my daughter needed dental work, the dentist did the work and agreed to let us pay over a couple of years. Did I have the right to stop payment after 6 months, and tell him he finished the job earlier? I think not.

“The little secret is you are paid very well in the military.”

Spoken like someone who doesn’t know what that pay is buying. Or what will happen to the serving military if the Administration decides to cut retirement pay.


77 posted on 06/12/2011 7:10:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: dragnet2

What a bunch of convoluted garbage.


Yeah what ever.
But i for example was in afghanistan.
(You too?) And i have worked with all those “defenceless” surrender monkeys (i guess this would be the french)
“europeans”. And the first thing you will learn if you would have been there IS that you are glad that they are on “our” side!
This are high professional soldiers deployed in a forreign country.
Now it´s up to you to figure out how they would fare defending their own country back at home.


78 posted on 06/12/2011 7:11:57 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: Mr Rogers
Have they cut PBS (giving you 151 stations instead of just 150)? Have they cut support for Planned Parenthood? Have they cut support of illegal aliens? Have they cut the Dept of Education, which teaches no one anything on a budget of $51 Billion?

According to the Constitution, national defense is a specified part of the federal government's responsibility.

The rest of it isn't.

Seems like the "want tos" need to go before the "have tos" are touched..

79 posted on 06/12/2011 7:20:29 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: rabscuttle385
What a sense of entitlement.

Some things are worth paying for. Freedom is one.

80 posted on 06/12/2011 7:29:57 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama are not rivals, they're running mates." - Rep. Thaddeus McCotter)
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To: freedumb2003

Prioritizing is the last thing on the mind of this government, as good an idea as it is. There are a lot of things the government shouldn’t be paying for — such as the Department of Education to cite just one.


81 posted on 06/12/2011 7:32:59 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama are not rivals, they're running mates." - Rep. Thaddeus McCotter)
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To: dragnet2

btw. just for you (some of the surrender monkeys in afghanistan).
And i don´t speak french but sometimes pictures say more then words.
Yeah what a bunch of cowards they are. /s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxFS2FPIhvA&feature=related


82 posted on 06/12/2011 7:37:00 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: EQAndyBuzz
What congress should do this week is pass a bill that guarantees that all military votes have to be counted before an election could be certified.

That would be supported by almost everyone in the great heartland between New York and California.

If the Republican National Committee was smart, they'd push that like crazy.

83 posted on 06/12/2011 7:43:33 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: darkside321
But i for example was in afghanistan.

Well, that's very commendable, but we need to rid ourselves of that ****hole, where the average person in Afghanistan too lazy to work, like much of the rest of those in Mid-East.

Again, your comments are completely convoluted and disjointed so much so, their unintelligible.

84 posted on 06/12/2011 7:44:33 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mr Rogers
I didn't say cut the military first. I said everything has to be on the table. Of course all the departments and agencies created by the Dems/Repubs has to get cut.

As for pay. Your joking. No where in the world can you retire at 37 and have the benefits that we have. You are paid very well in the military.

85 posted on 06/12/2011 7:46:02 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: Leaning Right
That would be supported by almost everyone in the great heartland between New York and California.

Hello...There is more military bases, military personnel and military retirees in California than ANY state.

86 posted on 06/12/2011 7:48:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rabscuttle385
Spoke to friend who manages 501.3c she spoke to staffers with Congressman involved in Pentagon budget. Mullens and Obama got blasted for trying to suggesting local communities, states and 501.3c should take over care of wounded warriors and veterans. Now they are using M. Obama and Mrs. Biden under the guise of care for military families pushing the same thing. Using Michelle My belles high popularity to blunt backlash. Gates is pushing this but Obama has broader goals. First push vets off TRICARE and into VA. This will reduce DOD costs than force vets into. Obamacare. Plans to use CPI to increase health care premiums yearly for vets while tying increases in retirement pay to COLA which uses bogus WH inflation numbers. Congress is receptive as are most vets to Increase in premiums but against CPI. We cost the DOD allot but it was promised if we remained 20 or in my case 30 years. While most people thank us for our service, it is time to show that appreciation. Tell Congress CPI is a no go. Keep the promise to vets and any increase in cost to retired vets must have a corresponding cut to Union pension funds. Remember retired vets include medically retired from injuries during the war. Many of those vets are young and did not have time in service and rank to see substantial retirements.
87 posted on 06/12/2011 7:48:22 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (Social engineers build bad bridges.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You can burn my corpse, feed it to the hogs or roll it up in a blanket and drop it in a hole in the ground. Doesn’t matter to me, because I won’t be here, I’ll be free.


88 posted on 06/12/2011 7:50:41 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: itsahoot; All
The SecDef, is only doing what the CIC tells him to do.

Perhaps this is all a political trick.

Gates calls for cuts in military pay.

Then a month from now Obama comes out and says something like: I've been advised to cut military pay, but I have rejected that advice. The pay scale will remain as it is.

That sounds a lot better than: There will be no pay raises for our military in the foreseeable future.

89 posted on 06/12/2011 7:54:23 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: 240B

Congress will NOT vote themselves a raise. Last I heard they passed a bill years ago that automatically gives them a raise with out a vote. They have to vote to deny themselves a raise.


90 posted on 06/12/2011 7:56:10 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Waco

Military is cutting personnel, USMC will cut about 20,000. Recruiters will become more selective. Fewer military jobs, fewer recruits, more unemployed welcome to the Gates/Obama military.


91 posted on 06/12/2011 8:04:35 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (Social engineers build bad bridges.)
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To: dragnet2
There is more military bases, military personnel and military retirees in California than ANY state

Yes, but not enough to move California's electoral votes out of the democratic column. Same goes with New York. Lot's of fine folks live there, especially upstate. But not enough to make an electoral difference.

92 posted on 06/12/2011 8:04:48 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

More vote here Republican and conservative than any state. But you’re right, it’s not quite enough. Considering the public government schools are graduating thousands of brainwashed every June, here and elsewhere, it doesn’t seem real encouraging....Likely the same reason Obama is now POTUS.


93 posted on 06/12/2011 8:24:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: itsahoot

He could have resigned he stayed on fo this he has been an advocate of military pay cuts for more than the last two years. Gates has a reputation as an extremely intelligent yes man.


94 posted on 06/12/2011 8:25:11 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (Social engineers build bad bridges.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

lol...Those self serving SOBs have it all figured out.


95 posted on 06/12/2011 8:26:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: oneolcop
A pox on you and the rest of the liars, crooks and fornicators who inhabit our capitol.

Worth repeating.

96 posted on 06/12/2011 8:35:08 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: dragnet2

Well, that’s very commendable, but we need to rid ourselves of that ****hole, where the average person in Afghanistan too lazy to work, like much of the rest of those in Mid-East.

Again, your comments are completely convoluted and disjointed so much so, their unintelligible.


Well first i´m drunk today :-)
And yes Afghanistan is a Sh*thole!
Beyond believe.
And no my comments are not unintelligible.
They are just comming (from a now drunken guy) who was born in the US there for has dual citizenship but has lived all his life in europe.
And more important risked his life in Afghanistan. (Not for the US) but as said i was there.
But after exchanging bullets with the taliban it just cracks me up that someone says “we” own the US anything.
Because i don´t.
Yeah i live in europe but thats all.
No US soldier died to protect me (back home in europe)
And NO US soldier guaranteed my freedom.
Btw. Fu*k Afghanistan.
Because there US soldiers did indeed protect me (the same way i did for them).
But this is a different topic.
I have the most respect for everyone who ever served there!
Ok he did not protect my freedom (or what ever politicians say) but he did protect my US/european bud over there.
So if someones tells me that the USA protects europe i don´t respond that well. just a matter of fact.
But i will allways have my respect for all the troops out there who fought with me.
Because this have been the guys who really saved my a$$.
And i never cared from which country they have came from.


97 posted on 06/12/2011 8:43:52 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: rabscuttle385
Start funding from the top. When the expenditures total the taxes collected, stop at that line item.

That is a GREAT idea! So simple, so elegant, so workable. I would like to see that as the next passed ammendment.

98 posted on 06/12/2011 8:45:37 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Yeh lets do that right after we cut the pay and retirement benefits of the 535 useless eaters in the Legislature.


99 posted on 06/12/2011 9:07:45 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

“Do these things, and the country will find itself without an Army.”

Have you ever stopped to consider that this may be EXACTLY what many — if not most — democrats actually WANT?

Just sayin’....


100 posted on 06/12/2011 9:09:15 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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