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FBI Expands Agentsí Investigative Power
NY Times via Mercury News ^ | June 12, 2011

Posted on 06/13/2011 3:38:42 AM PDT by callisto

The FBI is giving significant new powers to its roughly 14,000 agents -- allowing them more leeway to search databases, go through household trash or use surveillance teams to scrutinize the lives of people who have attracted their attention.

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Some of the most notable changes apply to the lowest category of investigations, called an "assessment." The category, created in December 2008, allows agents to look into people and organizations "proactively" and without firm evidence for suspecting criminal or terrorist activity.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; bigbrotheriswatching; chilling; chillingeffect; databases; fbi; garbage; tyranny
NY Times via the Mercury News so excerpt and link only.

Sorry to post & run but work calls. I'll check back during the day.

1 posted on 06/13/2011 3:38:51 AM PDT by callisto
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To: callisto

And I am pretty certain that when Palin becomes president, the rats will say she is a fascist for doing this.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 3:52:34 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin, the only candidate to be vetted by the NY Times, the Washington Post and NBC.)
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To: callisto

What legislative Act through Congress gave them these additional powers?


3 posted on 06/13/2011 3:56:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

She could easily dispel that by reigning in these apparently self assigned powers and tossing a few of the FBI’s decision makers who dreamed this up in a nice jail cell...


4 posted on 06/13/2011 3:58:40 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse

Bump.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 4:01:08 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yeah...I’m no law scholar...but I’ve never read about any powers given to the FBI to make laws.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 4:01:48 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (I got a fever and the only prescription is more watermelon trickworm, better known as bass crack.)
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To: callisto
bureau's surveillance of domestic political advocacy groups

We are merrily walking down the slippery slope to a Soviet style police state!

Mike

7 posted on 06/13/2011 4:02:30 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: callisto

More powers to the police state.


8 posted on 06/13/2011 4:03:24 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: callisto

“Some of the most notable changes apply to the lowest category of investigations, called an “assessment.” The category, created in December 2008, allows agents to look into people and organizations “proactively” and without firm evidence for suspecting criminal or terrorist activity.”

This seems more like the role that the press/media should be playing. This seems “tabloidish.”

This will probably be used in political ways more than crime fighting ways. And it will probably target extremist groups such as the Amish.


9 posted on 06/13/2011 4:03:56 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: callisto

"I've always said from the beginning, I wanna change America"

10 posted on 06/13/2011 4:13:51 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Dead Corpse

The SCOTUS, FBI, NSA, are still happily aiding a abeting treason, don’t worry.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 4:19:47 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Dead Corpse

You seem to have a naive belief in things like the rule of law. This is cause for suspicion. Expect your trash to be searched.


12 posted on 06/13/2011 4:24:50 AM PDT by garbanzo (You better hold on; This one's about to get bumpy.)
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To: callisto

Gosh, I hope the FBI won’t be profiling people. That’s racist.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 4:25:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: killermosquito
If you can accept the fact that the internet IS the press, the FBI agents had earlier had the right to read newspapers and books ~ which they did.

However, "field agents" in the FBI and other investigative bodies had been restricted from reading the internet the same way they might read a newspaper. Didn't mean others at FBI and in various federal agencies couldn't do that but the "field agents" themselves had to get administrative warrants to do so.

BTW, net cruising had to be done outside the framework of the agencies own internet setup so government files were not subject to penetration.

There's really nothing new here unless, of course, you don't think of the internet as the press.

14 posted on 06/13/2011 4:29:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: callisto
This is scary, esspecially in light of the fact that Congress and the FBI have done nothing about obama. Where there is plenty of probable cause to investigate his legitimacy to hold the office or even if he is in the country legally.
15 posted on 06/13/2011 4:30:09 AM PDT by FreeMaine (Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. Prov 18:19)
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To: callisto

"We don't need no stupid warrants!"

16 posted on 06/13/2011 4:31:51 AM PDT by Daaave ( "What'll you do when you get lonely?")
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To: muawiyah

The FBI used to operate two separate networks: one for the external Internet and one with their internal files.


17 posted on 06/13/2011 4:47:31 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: callisto
Sorry to post & run but work calls.

What is this world coming to? You do realize, putting work above FReeping is totally unacceptable behavior!!!
:-)

18 posted on 06/13/2011 4:56:26 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: muawiyah

“If you can accept the fact that the internet IS the press,”
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Yeh!

The internet (News online, bloggers, emailers, websites, etc.)IS the press; the old press is now just the fourth estate of gunmint as most folks now know...


19 posted on 06/13/2011 5:03:43 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: callisto

In the 1960’s they protested against “the man,” and today they are that which they claimed to have been against.

I am to the point that I feel like I can’t even breathe. They are tracking every little thing or claiming to be without out warrant or cause.

I want to say...what has happened to my country? But, our truth is ...we have let ourselves become deceived and lazy.

A few weeks ago we had a really bad storm hit our area. High winds, hail, heavy rain, and funnel clouds. Many of us retreated to the basement, but when the storm was over and we all came out of our little houses...minor damage was around. The biggest pending damage was the street had become flooded and water was backing up into some of the homes. In the background and without power...sirens of police cars and fire trucks wailed. Someone said ...”somebody should call the city to come clear the drains.”

At no point did this person take the initiative to call the city. They thought in all the ensuing emergencies around us that were higher priority...we should call the city about the storm drains.

Myself and a neighbor returned from our garden sheds with our heavy duty rakes and pitchforks. People’s homes were at risk of flooding in an area that never floods. We began clearing the drains of the debris the winds had brought down. As the water began swirling down the drains in a powerful vortex a few other neighbors joined in using their lightweight rakes to catch and toss aside the floating debris.

The point of this story...”call the city” to fix it in the middle of a crisis.

It reminded me of how dependent people have become on the government. They would depend on the government to save their own homes, indeed they were depending on someone else to even call the government...rather than pick-up the pitchfork to clean the debris out from around storm drains.

Folks, there is a lot of debris floating around us. We all know they are violating our God given Rights and some how many of us are depending on the people in government to clear the debris ...when we really need to be using our garden pitchforks.

They are flooding our freedom away. And the longer we wait around waiting for someone else to do something about it, the more damage to our “home of freedom” is done.


20 posted on 06/13/2011 5:05:40 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: callisto

The FBI has no license to make such changes. If this is true, the DOJ caused it to happen.


21 posted on 06/13/2011 5:09:56 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Dead Corpse
What legislative Act through Congress gave them these additional powers?

Was wondering that myself.
22 posted on 06/13/2011 5:27:36 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: callisto

I remember when the FBI introduce the “Carnivore” program for reading emails. If I am not mistaken, the Earthlink was the last provider to lose the right to protect their customer’s privacy.

At the time, my next door neighbor was a computer programmer/hacker for the FBI. She told me back then (more than ten years ago) that they could suck the contents of your hard drive faster than you could shut it down if anything suspicious showed up. She also told me that the government would never abuse the privilege, wink, wink, nod, nod.


23 posted on 06/13/2011 5:36:06 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
I'm almost willing to bet these are "new" powers under either the PATRIOT Act or via EO's.

Neither have a Constitutional basis when they start negating arbitrarily parts of the Bill of Rights.

24 posted on 06/13/2011 5:36:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: elpadre
The FBI has no license to make such changes. If this is true, the DOJ caused it to happen.

According to the article, the spokeperson claims the FBI doesn't need "permission" to change its manual as long the rules "fit within broad guidelines issued by the attorney general."
25 posted on 06/13/2011 5:37:57 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: EBH

Good story and so typical. What goes hand in hand with that is every time something happens that some people don’t like they want a new law passed outlawing the activity.


26 posted on 06/13/2011 5:38:11 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: garbanzo
Good. they can help sort out more recyclables while they are at it.

I'm still not sure if the plastic jugs my AA#7 comes in, or spent primers, are recyclable...

27 posted on 06/13/2011 5:40:35 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: callisto

Bush....er, soetoro´s fault.


28 posted on 06/13/2011 6:14:14 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: bamahead

bookmark


29 posted on 06/13/2011 6:15:14 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: callisto
The countdown begins for the day some Citizen unknowingly shoots an agent messing around on their property in the dark of the night.
It shouldn't be too long of a wait.
30 posted on 06/13/2011 6:55:53 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: callisto

the coming political tsumami in this country will be both 1)economically populist, and 2)libertarian.

I just hope it does not break out in the form of a Ross Perot-style third candidacy next fall.


31 posted on 06/13/2011 6:55:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: philman_36
The countdown begins for the day some Citizen unknowingly shoots an agent messing around on their property in the dark of the night. It shouldn't be too long of a wait.

Either that or someone will be setting booby trap time bombs in bags of garbage.
32 posted on 06/13/2011 6:57:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Either that or someone will be setting booby trap time bombs in bags of garbage.
That's some sick, twisted thinking there.
An innocent garbage man would probably wind up being hurt or killed doing that.
33 posted on 06/13/2011 7:06:00 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: garbanzo

It has long been established that searching through garbage without a warrant is acceptable.


34 posted on 06/13/2011 7:13:13 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: callisto

The FBI is giving new powers to its’ roughly 14,000 agents—allowing them more leeway to search databases, go through household trash or use servalance teams to scrutinize the life of Sarah Palin.

fixed.


35 posted on 06/13/2011 7:17:59 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: MichaelP

What is an “advocacy group”?

Certainly doesn’t sound criminal.


36 posted on 06/13/2011 8:00:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: thefactor

“It has long been established that searching through garbage without a warrant is acceptable.”

Which is why EVER piece of paper from junk mail to more important documents with my name on it ALL goes through my paper shredder before it goes into the trash.


37 posted on 06/13/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (There are only two classes of people left in the U.S. - Producers and Parasites.)
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To: Towed_Jumper

“...ALL goes through my paper shredder before it goes into the trash...”

Wouldn’t even put it in the trash; I shred mine, then use it as fireplace kindling.

Going “green”, after all...


38 posted on 06/13/2011 9:22:14 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I just hope it does not break out in the form of a Ross Perot-style third candidacy next fall.

or if it does...lets all get behind it. If the republican party comes out looking weak, worthless, and sissies...lets get behind the ones that have the courage, fight, and passion.

39 posted on 06/13/2011 9:41:02 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: Towed_Jumper
Which is why EVER piece of paper from junk mail to more important documents with my name on it ALL goes through my paper shredder before it goes into the trash.

Yep.

40 posted on 06/13/2011 9:50:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: varon
What is this world coming to? You do realize, putting work above FReeping is totally unacceptable behavior!!!

Welcome to Obamanation, where producers toil to support the entitlement society. - I would much rather Freep, but work can pleasurable too! :)

41 posted on 06/13/2011 10:04:21 AM PDT by callisto (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
From the article:

"Valerie Caproni, the FBI general counsel, said the bureau had fixed the problems with the national security letters and had taken steps to make sure they would not recur. She also said the bureau -- which does not need permission to alter its manual so long as the rules fit within broad guidelines issued by the attorney general -- had carefully weighed the risks and the benefits of each change."

They're weighing the benefit of violating our 4th Amendment rights against unlawful search and seizure against the risk of getting caught and being held responsible. It looks like they feel confident in their ability to succeed.

42 posted on 06/13/2011 10:10:29 AM PDT by callisto (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Girlene
I knew that if I scrolled through this thread I'd find that Barry Himmler and The Gestapo Brothers were behind all this jazz, and here you are, having found the dirt...on the dirt.

;~)

43 posted on 06/13/2011 10:55:13 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (Obama.....a perfect example of why you can't trust someone that won't look you in the eye)
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To: 4woodenboats

Barry Himmler and The Gestapo Brothers.....lol. Dude, how you been?


44 posted on 06/13/2011 11:09:26 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Dead Corpse

“What legislative Act through Congress gave them these additional powers?”

Pffft-—you don’t need Congress in a Gestapo state. You just make it up as you go along.


45 posted on 06/14/2011 8:57:14 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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