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Bachmann Favors National Sales Tax
NewsMax ^ | 6/13/2011 | Martin Gould

Posted on 06/13/2011 12:36:26 PM PDT by RWK

Prospective presidential candidate Michele Bachmann says she wants a national sales tax, but can’t vote for it because she believes Congress would just add it to the current income tax system.

In a profile in The Wall Street Journal, Bachmann says she loves the FAIR tax proposal but just cannot bring herself to back it in the House.

“If we were starting over from scratch, I would favor a national sales tax," the three-term Minnesota congresswoman says. But the reality is that if it were enacted, the chances are “we would end up with a dual tax, a national sales tax and an income tax."

Bachmann says her tax plan would be to take corporate rates down from 35 percent to nine percent and “zero out” capital gains tax, the alternative minimum tax and the death tax.

But she says the main problem with the U.S. tax system is that nearly half the population pays nothing. She says all deductions should be abolished “because there is no tie to the government benefits that people demand.

“Everyone should have to pay something," she insists.

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Bachmann just moved several rungs higher on my list of preferred candidates for 2012!
1 posted on 06/13/2011 12:36:36 PM PDT by RWK
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To: RWK

...okay, I’m listening.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 12:38:26 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: RWK

If a fair tax got rid of ALL tax breaks, tax cheats and tax preparers then it would be a great thing.
Don’t count on it.


3 posted on 06/13/2011 12:38:33 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher

There is a whole universe of professionals: lawyers, conservation lobbyists, accountants, etc....that are linked onto that food chain...


4 posted on 06/13/2011 12:41:16 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: RWK

Personally I love the idea. But after seeing how Mark Crist was able to use it to demagogue his way into John Murtha’s old seat, I’m afraid it spells political death amongst the sheeple.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 12:41:53 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RWK
Just more lily livered Bachmannisms.

Last week she said she would like to support the Ryan plan but seniors don't understand that they will not be impacted.

WTH???

6 posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:01 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: RWK

I always knew she was for this. She is a tax attorney she knows how to do it. She will also downsize big gov. big time. She is very fiscally savvy and intelligent that is why the fiscal conservatives and Independents like her.


7 posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:01 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: RWK
Bachmann says her tax plan would be to take corporate rates down from 35 percent to nine percent and “zero out” capital gains tax, the alternative minimum tax and the death tax.

For one thing... Corporate tax rates are in fact much higher then just 35%. The US leads the world in the highest corporate tax rates. Period.

But Bachmann is thinking forward here. And that's all good

8 posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:04 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: pointsal

Exactly....which is why it won’t happen through conventional legislative means.


9 posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:58 PM PDT by edpc (I disagree. Circle gets the square.)
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To: RWK

Michelle Bachmann = Copycain.


10 posted on 06/13/2011 12:44:10 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Bachmann has stated from the get go she is for a fair tax. And the Current Ryan plan would not effect Seniors.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 12:44:34 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: RWK

OK ONE MORE TIME for all of you “Fair/Flat Tax” DUMBASSES, if you do NOT REPEAL this Amendment to the US Constitution(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) the you WILL end up w/ your new “Flat/Fair Tax” AND the income tax. YOU MUST KILL the 16th!


12 posted on 06/13/2011 12:45:17 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Joe Boucher

You are correct. Whenever I hear a Fair Tax discussion, however, I hear “Prebates” and other such things. This is why I prefer a flat tax, personally.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 12:45:21 PM PDT by day10 (Integrity has no need of rules.)
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To: pointsal

No kidding...it’s llike a whole industry unto its self.

Just another reason it’ll never happen, sad but likely true.

I would actually support a flat tax vs the fair tax though, not that it has a chance in he!! either.


14 posted on 06/13/2011 12:45:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: Grunthor

How can she be a copy cat she has always said is is for these things? Way before Cain was known.


15 posted on 06/13/2011 12:46:00 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: RWK
"But she says the main problem with the U.S. tax system is that nearly half the population pays nothing. She says all deductions should be abolished “because there is no tie to the government benefits that people demand. "

Color her gone. Another who thinks people only pay income taxes.

16 posted on 06/13/2011 12:46:41 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: RWK

Is there any conservative who doesn’t want to abolish the IRS? It will never happen, though. What was the last federal government office to be abolished?


17 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:00 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: RWK

obviously if she supports this scam she is off the ladder.

a monthly welfare check,

the federal government requiring registration of all family units.

the federal government defining what is a family unit

an ENDLESS parade of k street lobbyists asking for exemptions or preferences in prebates and tax exempt status.

it is just old irs for NuIrs.

a pure scam.

she is pandering to the rubes.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
I know the Ryan plan doesn't effect senior, but Queen Michelle doesn't want to support it because too many seniors don't understand the plan.

Bachmann. Such promise coming out of the state legislature, but she has been minimized by her own party and is nothing more than a back bench bomb thrower.

19 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:32 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: pointsal
There is a whole universe of professionals: lawyers, conservation lobbyists, accountants, etc....that are linked onto that food chain...

That's OK. I'm sure there are jobs for them that illegal aliens won't do.

20 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:46 PM PDT by Gordon Pym (2+2=4)
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To: RWK
Bachmann just moved several rungs higher on my list of preferred candidates for 2012!

Has she introduced such legislation in Congress? Has she lobbied other congressman to support this idea?

She has at her disposal the means to begin the process, but has she done anything on this policy?

A president has no power to institute a "FAIR" tax. (The president cannot pass legislation, they can only veto it).

Indeed, the oath of office of the president requires that they faithfully execute the existing "laws." (Not necessarily the mountains of regulations).

IOW as a president her responsibility would be to ensure that the current tax "laws" are enforced.

Here is the follow up question to her call for a FAIR tax.

Will she enforce the existing laws?

21 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:46 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: rarestia

She and Cain will win the debate tonight. Romney will be too busy with his politico planted answers and looking in the camera at himself.


22 posted on 06/13/2011 12:49:17 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: day10
I hear “Prebates” and other such things. This is why I prefer a flat tax, personally.

Ditto that!

Prebates would end up being nothing more than a manipulation, control, vote buying tool.

A Flat Tax all the way!!

23 posted on 06/13/2011 12:49:36 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

This is the first I have heard her saying anything like this. I have not hung on her every word for years so if she DID push a fair tax before Cain did, then this article isn’t exactly news is it? It would be like Wrong Paul demanding the Fed be audited......DUH, he’s always wanted that, it wouldn’t be anything new.

This article being posted makes it sound new. Cain has made the fair tax the central plank in his campaign for months now. THis is the first I hear Bachmann doing the same.

Why WOULDN”T I call her a copycain?


24 posted on 06/13/2011 12:50:42 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: day10

Flat tax is the only way to go!


25 posted on 06/13/2011 12:51:08 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
She and Cain will win the debate tonight

Is CNN hosting the debate tonight?

What time, do you know?

26 posted on 06/13/2011 12:51:52 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: P-Marlowe

she is just pandering because it is election time.

she is just a palin stalking horse.

a typical DC politician, jimmy carter supporter, who tried to coopt the tea party movement as a way to say magic words to consolodate personal power.

it is all about her, not the country.


27 posted on 06/13/2011 12:52:03 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: pointsal
There is a whole universe of professionals: lawyers, conservation lobbyists, accountants, etc....that are linked onto that food chain...

Yes, and the current tax law is to the above list of professions as the war on drugs is to the prison industry, law enforcement, lawyers, bail bondsmen, judges, counciling and treatment facilities, and countless others. Simply too many paychecks depend on it.
28 posted on 06/13/2011 12:53:17 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: RWK
Changing out the tax code is a legislative agenda and not an executive branch postition.

Since the dawn of the progressive era (Roosevelt / Wilson) we have had Presidents taking office and setting a broad political agenda trying to lead all branches. It has weakened Congress to the point where they are nothing but party machines pitted for votes.

I dislike Cain and now Bachmann linking their candidacy to a specific legislative wholesale change to the tax code which has to originate in the Congress for them to even sign. The sales process for the Flat Tax or the Fair Tax is a long and complex issue for the electorate to digest and to make it have to be accessed prior to "buying" the candidate in general is reducing that candidate to a single issue person.

Repeal of ObamaCare is a given, that issue is well known, but taking a taxing method and completely changing it is a four year process at a minimum by the time you clear all the hurdles.

I am looking for these guys to say "let's send home the communists and get back to plain old America" or a similar message that basic -- not asking the voter to evaluate an entire tax code overhaul to even consider them.

29 posted on 06/13/2011 12:53:22 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Las Vegas Ron

(s) and if elected I PROMISE A LIVING PREBATE!!!!!(/s)


30 posted on 06/13/2011 12:54:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Prebates would end up being nothing more than a manipulation, control, vote buying tool.

you can solve most of the corruption in government by barring those taking government monies in any form from voting until they stop taking those monies.

But that will never happen. Those who would have to vote for it are the beneficiaries of the current system

31 posted on 06/13/2011 12:55:17 PM PDT by Gordon Pym (2+2=4)
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To: RWK
...but can’t vote for it because she believes Congress would just add it to the current income tax system.

Which is why it would would have to be a constitutional amendment which does ALL of the following:

  1. Repeals 16th amendment which explicitly gave Congress the authority to levy an income tax; AND
  2. Explicitly repeals all taxes currenly in force, including gasoline, FCC excise taxes, etc.; AND
  3. Explicitly prohibits Congress from levying ANY tax except for a sales tax; AND
  4. Establishes a MAXIMUM amount for the sales tax; AND
  5. Establishes that NO ONE shall be exempt from paying the sales tax.

The political process could then quibble over what percentage the tax would be, as long as it's less than or equal to the maximum allowed by the amendment, and which items would be subject to the sales tax.

Now THAT would be truth in taxation. All Americans would then be able to know EXACTLY how much of their money is being given to the federal government.

To quote (or paraphrase) Robert Kennedy... "Some people look at what what is and ask "Why?" I look at what could be and ask "Why not?"

32 posted on 06/13/2011 12:56:38 PM PDT by StonyMan451
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To: RWK

I hate the ‘fair’ tax from its “pre-bate” yearly payoffs to liberal voters down to it’s ‘tax-inclusive’ rate calculation

‘Fair-tax’ proponents are as bad as liberals in their zeal for it

If we are goin gto have a tax at the cash register, it should be about 5% and ACROSS THE BOARD for everyone and evertthing (except food)


33 posted on 06/13/2011 12:57:26 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: RWK
Bachmann just moved several rungs higher on my list of preferred candidates for 2012!

Me too. Abolish the IRS.

No exemptions
No subsidies
Zip, zero, nada

This ain't rocket science. Rocket science is preparing your tax return every year.

Americans will finally wake up when they see a 23% sales tax on everything they buy.

And when the Feds want more money, and try to increase the sales tax, people will go batsh1t.

34 posted on 06/13/2011 12:57:56 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: day10

I would prefer a national sales tax, because even a flat tax taxes only those that have a repoted income where a national sales tax would aslo include those working under the table, drug dealers bookies etc because it would tax them when they spend it not when they earn it, my concern would be that they keep the income tax and just add the national sales tax not replace the income tax with the sales tax


35 posted on 06/13/2011 12:59:24 PM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: Grunthor

I can remember posting many many months ago she was for the fair tax and is a tax attorney. This is not the first time. She is debating tonight so this is why she is getting press.


36 posted on 06/13/2011 1:00:57 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: RWK
A national sales tax makes sense. We already have the structure in place to handle it. As someone else pointed out it MUST be passed with the abolution of the IRS and repeal of the income tax.

A flat tax would make much better sense than what we have now. Throw the whole tax code out and replace it with one page of rules. But you still have the IRS. I'd pefer the national sales tax if the IRS is abolished because it takes the governemnt out of knowing what we make. It is none of their business.

Changing to either the sales tax or a simple flat tax would get the economy going again. At the same time we should abolish all non-profit corporations. Most are just scams anyway.

37 posted on 06/13/2011 1:02:48 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: RWK

“But she says the main problem with the U.S. tax system is that nearly half the population pays nothing.”

No, they pay but they don’t see.


38 posted on 06/13/2011 1:03:24 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Joe Boucher
If a fair tax got rid of ALL tax breaks, tax cheats and tax preparers then it would be a great thing.

Yes, but only if coupled with a smaller government. A huge and ever-growing government will take and waste an unreasonable amount of taxes, regardless of the method of collection.

So, the fair tax is one of many solutions on the fiscal supply side, but if you don't stop the government from demanding more and more, it's not a solution to our problems.

39 posted on 06/13/2011 1:05:05 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: pointsal

Yes there are,
And do they really in fact contribute to anything?
NOpe, Just blood suckers and bottom feeders.


40 posted on 06/13/2011 1:06:07 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: RWK

Too many speak without indepth knowledge of the FairTax. It has been introduced as HR 25 in the house... Bachmann did not support it... hopefully because she did not understand that it is offered as a REPLACEMENT for the Income Tax and not because she is a tax litigation attorney. The bill requires REPEAL of the 16th Amendment. The Flat Tax is a headfake... still an income tax and easily returned to multi-tax rates. For starters...

The FairTax replaces the Income Tax and...

1. Ends - Filing of income tax returns!
2. Ends - IRS audits and fines!
3. Ends - IRS costs of $460 billion/year!
4. Ends - Tax code abuse for political gain!
5. Ends - Tax free underground economy!
6. Ends - Tax on businesses (creates more jobs)!


41 posted on 06/13/2011 1:06:38 PM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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To: isthisnickcool
"Changing to either the sales tax or a simple flat tax would get the economy going again."

So how would they bring the jobs back from China? I think either tax on imports would get the economy going right away.

42 posted on 06/13/2011 1:07:01 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: RWK

Getting rid of Dear Leader is an absolute must; replacing him with Bachmann would be a dream come true.


43 posted on 06/13/2011 1:07:48 PM PDT by Spok
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To: longtermmemmory
(s) and if elected I PROMISE A LIVING PREBATE!!!!!(/s)

LOL...well done!

44 posted on 06/13/2011 1:08:17 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: day10

Either way you do away with bottom feeders who do little positive.
Hey, make a buck, pay a percentage tax. No preparers, no lawyers no B.S.


45 posted on 06/13/2011 1:09:39 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Well, does this make her Rep. Prebate???


46 posted on 06/13/2011 1:10:02 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: StonyMan451

the politicians would promise more and more prebate.

the lobbyiests would still petition for more and more favored tax and prebate positions.

the final law does not have to repeal the 16th amendment, nice try.

it does nothing to limit the fees and sales taxes of the states.

this is the biggest scam and is just a means to sell t-shirts by some hole in the wall office in texas.


47 posted on 06/13/2011 1:10:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: isthisnickcool

PERSONAL INFORMATION

Michele Marie (Amble) Bachmann was born in on April 6, 1956 in Waterloo,
Iowa, to David John Amble and Jean (née Johnson) Amble, who she describes
as ”a family of Norwegian Lutheran Democrats”. After the divorce of her parents,
Michele moved with her mother from Iowa to Anoka, Minnesota.

Education
1974- Graduated from Anoka High School
Winona State University
Oral Roberts University- received her J.D. Degree- was a member of the final graduating class from the University
William and Mary Law School- Master of Laws Degree

Family
1978- Michele married Marcus Bachmann. They have five children of their own, and have provided foster care for 23 additional children.

Private Sector Career
1988-1993 worked as a Tax Attorney representing the IRS
Left her position as a Tax Attorney to become a full-time mom
She and her husband own a Christian Counseling Practice in Stillwater, Minnesota.
She is part owner in a family farm in Waumandee, Wisconsin.

Political Career
Minnesota State Senator
2000- Defeated the 18-year incumbent Gary Laidig for the GOP endorsement as Minnesota’s 56th District State Senator.
During the general election, she defeated two other candidates.

2002-After Minnesota redistricting, Mrs. Bachmann defeated yet another incumbent- State Senator Jane Krentz- and became the newly elected Minnesota State Representative for District 52.

2003-Michele Bachmann joined with Representative Mary Liz Holberg to propose a Minnesota State Constitutional Amendment that would bar same-sex marriage from being legally recognized. The joint effort failed to make it the 2004 ballot. In 2005 she once again proposed the Amendment, but it never made it past the Senate Committee.

2004- She was appointed as Assistant Minority Leader in charge of Policy for the Senate Republican Caucus by the Republican Senate Minority Leader Dick Day. In July 2005, due to what Mrs. Bachmann called disagreements with Day over her principled anti-tax stance, the Republican Caucus removed her from her leadership position.

U.S. House of Representatives
2006- Michele Bachmann was elected to serve as the Congresswoman for the 110th Congress in the U.S. House of Representatives for Minnesota’s 6th District. She still holds this position today.

Political Accomplishments
The first Republican woman to represent Minnesota in Congress

Committees
Committee on Financial Services
Subcommittee on International Monetary Policy and Trade
Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

Political Affiliations

Supported Jimmy Carter in his 1976 campaign, even volunteering with her then fiance, now husband
Became a member of the Republican Party her senior year at Winona State University
1980- Worked for Ronald Reagan’s Presidential campaign
Tea Party supporter
Founding Member of the House Tea Party Caucus

Special Interests
After high school, she spent time working on a kibbutz in Israel.

She officially joined the pro-life movement after watching the 1976 Christian Documentary “How Should We Then Live?”
1991- Mrs. Bachmann gained media attention at a pro-life protest where she and about 30 other protesters took a stand at a board meeting to protest public tax dollars going to a hospital that performed abortions. In an interview with the Star Tribune, she said that “in effect, since 1973, I have been a landlord of an abortion clinic, and I don’t like that distinction”.

She and her husband have been Foster Parents to 23 teenagers.
It is at this point that I am going to interject some personal thoughts.

This is one of the many reasons I respect Michele Bachmann. As a mother of 5- all who were adopted through the Foster Care System, I know she has made a difference in the future of our nation by investing in the lives of these children. Children in Foster Care are just as much a part of our future as a child who is in a stable home. Her official website states, “she believes in the vitality of the family as the first unit of government”. She has put that belief in action by fostering children who need a loving home, taking personal responsibility for the needs of others rather than relying on the government to provide for the need.

I have made it my life mission to be the voice of these voiceless children in foster care. I am going to hold each of our lawmakers accountable for reforming the Broken System of Foster Care!

In 1993, Michele Bachmann, along with a group of other parents started a K-12 charter school in Stillwater, Minnesota. This was the pivotal point of her strong stance against a state-mandated set of educational standards. She started speaking out against state-mandated educational standards, and this was the beginning of Michele Bachmann’s leap into the world of politics.

Political Positions
Strongly Supports
Pro-Life
Israel
Tax reform
Freemarket System
Peace through strength as our National Security
Holding to the values of The Constitution as our Founding Fathers intended
Increased domestic drilling of oil and natural gas, as well as pursuing renewable energy sources (wind and solar energy, etc)
Nuclear energy
Phasing out Social Security and Medicare
Government making the same kind of serious spending cuts that many families and small businesses have been forced to make

Second Amendment
Strong Supporter of the Second Amendment

A quote from Congresswoman Bachmann regarding where she stands on the Second Amendment:

“Growing up in a home that valued hunting and fishing, the 2nd Amendment is of equal importance as the other nine Amendments in our Bill of Rights. Since the age of twelve, when I passed my first gun safety class, I’ve enjoyed the privilege afforded us by the right to bear arms. While serving in the Minnesota State Senate I supported and helped pass the Minnesota Personal Protection Act and legislation to protect local shooting ranges. I will fight to uphold our 2nd Amendment rights.”

Foreign Policy
Believes all options should be left on the table if diplomacy does not achieve our goal.

Immigration
Supports securing our borders and enforcing our current laws
Does NOT believe in amnesty
Believes we should declare English as the official language
(again, repeating myself from Ron Paul’s profile, this should not even BE an issue! That should be a GIVEN, not up for debate at all!)

Strongly Opposes
Wasteful government spending
Minimum Wage Increases
ObamaCare
Abortion- says she would vote to allow abortions in the case of rape and incest, but would not vote for state funds to be used for the procedure.

48 posted on 06/13/2011 1:10:50 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: RWK
When it comes to Social Security and Medicare, she says the country has an obligation to those who are already retired, but not to future seniors.

What, everyone but seniors is just SOL. Go back to the drawing board Michelle and come up with plan B.

49 posted on 06/13/2011 1:15:41 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Spok

very BAD dream.


50 posted on 06/13/2011 1:16:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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