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Progressive Christian organization goes after Ayn Rand
American Values Network via The Blaze ^ | June 13th | Glenn Beck

Posted on 06/13/2011 1:34:57 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

A progressive religious organization, American Values Network, has a new ad out attacking conservative leaders like Rush Limbaugh and Paul Ryan by criticizing their appreciation for Ayn Rand’s philosophical views.

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And, of course, the group has tied to George Soros.

Stu pointed out that they received at least $800,000 from Soros.org, his website for the Open Society Institute.

(Excerpt) Read more at glennbeck.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aynrand; freelove; fundingtheleft; georgesoros; glennbeck; hedonism; hippy; opensociety; progressives; religiousleft; revolutionaries; socialjustice; soros; spookydude
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1 posted on 06/13/2011 1:35:04 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

What the hell is a “progressive Christian”?

One thing about the left, they know to play games in the court of public opinion, because that’s where it counts.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 1:37:57 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: youngidiot

it’s an oxymoron.


3 posted on 06/13/2011 1:39:27 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I am a christian, and while there is much of the Rand philosophy that I completely disagree with, I do agree with much of her basic premise: let people decide what is best for themselves, not some government bureaucrat.

I guess the ability to only partially agree with Rand is too much nuance for our progressive friends.


4 posted on 06/13/2011 1:40:07 PM PDT by Tulane
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Ayn Rand’s views about individual rights are compatible with the views of God given natural rights of the Founding Fathers.The views of libtards who favor violation of rights by big government are incompatible.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 1:41:51 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

There is no such thing as a “progressive Christian.” You either adhere to the teachings of Jesus or you are not a Christian. Throwing one’s own ideas into the mix, automatically disqualifies one as a Christian.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 1:42:55 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

So, progressives condemn conservatives for being “absolutists,” yet they are telling people they cannot accept Rand’s political/economic views while rejecting her views on religion.

Hokayyyyy.... Seems to me they are being intellectually inflexible themselves. Or at the very least intellectually dishonest.


7 posted on 06/13/2011 1:44:44 PM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

That’s what Christians get for trying to support their views with secularist thinkers. I don’t understand the obsession with Ayn Rand when they are perfectly legitimate Christian defenses of Capitalism around, and not rather boring fiction writers who think they’re so much more intelligent than everyone else.


8 posted on 06/13/2011 1:45:22 PM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: youngidiot
What the hell is a “progressive Christian”?

Someone like my idiot sister who, while not saved, preaches the "social gospel" and usually believes they understand scripture better than those of us who are "fundies". Remember Obama saying "I am my brother's keeper."? Yeh. people who actually buy that kind of thing.

Progressive Christianity

Liberal Christianity

Social Gospel
9 posted on 06/13/2011 1:46:11 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: ken21

It’s the apostate church.

The coming persecution of believers won’t come so much from atheists or government, it will come from those naming the Name of Christ. They will denounce any that hold too tightly to scriptural truth, because they will stand in the way of “unity”.


10 posted on 06/13/2011 1:46:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: youngidiot

“Progressive Christian” is almost an oxymoron. Many of them have “progressed” so far that they’ve lost sight of all religious foundations.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 1:48:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion)
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To: youngidiot

Someone who attends a church that’s little more than a social club that misuses God’s name as a prop.


12 posted on 06/13/2011 1:49:48 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: MrB

A progressive Christian must be my opposite. I found out this weekend, courtesy of Chris Matthews, that I’m a culturally backward, conservative Christian.

Cute Chrissy (he of the tingling leg) may get a surprise in 2012.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 1:52:24 PM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: kittymyrib

You either adhere to the teachings of Jesus or you are not a Christian.
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Amen.

...false Christians using scripture to achieve their secular agenda, are simply the wolves in sheep’s clothing,
we were warned about.


14 posted on 06/13/2011 1:55:40 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: youngidiot
What the hell is a “progressive Christian”?

The Democratic Party at prayer.

www.elca.org

www.ucc.org

15 posted on 06/13/2011 2:02:19 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

This ran in my local paper yesterday and was thoroughly trashed by the readers in the comments section (not trying to highjack your thread; thought this was relevent):

Another reading on Ayn Rand

By Mark Sells

For the Salisbury Post

It seems a lot of people are talking these days about Ayn Rand and her 1,000-plus paged book “Atlas Shrugged.” Someone went and made a movie. This always gets people excited. We have to take a book seriously once it’s made into movie.

What is surprising about all of this, however, is just how many Christians seem to be excited about “Atlas Shrugged” the movie. It turns out, they’ve heard about it on Fox News. They’ve seen picket signs at Tea Party rallies bearing the cryptic words “Who is John Galt?” (Galt is the messianic figure lurking around in Rand’s overblown novel.) They’ve even heard such luminaries as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck speak of Rand as if she were some kind of prophet. She was some kind of prophet, by the way. She was the false kind, just as Galt is a false messiah. The harm her “prophetic” ideas have caused is prominently featured in one of the chapters of a 2004 book from Ignatius Press called “Architects of the Culture of Death.” (Now that would make an interesting movie.)

To help you understand my strong feelings on this subject, I should tell you that Ayn Rand and I go way back. I’ve read and own all of her novels and a lot of her nonfiction. (She intended for the novels to be the primary means of conveying her philosophy.) I was an atheist from the age of 17 to the age of 23, and for a lot of that time, I was somewhat of a disciple of Ayn Rand. As you may have guessed, I have a different view of her and her work now. Ayn Rand publicly boasted that she was the greatest philosopher since Aristotle. Needless to say, she wasn’t. She pretended that her philosophy, objectivism, sprang as an original system without precedent entirely from her own mind. It didn’t. It was, instead, a wholesale rehashing of, among others, Friedrich Nietzsche, the man who declared that God was dead and posited a kind of Superman in His place.

In claiming to have invented the one perfect and true philosophy in the whole history of man (objectivism) in the middle of the 20th century, Rand is a lot like L. Ron Hubbard, who claimed to have invented the one perfect and true religion in the whole history of man (Scientology), conveniently enough also in the middle of the 20th century. Both writers were essentially science fiction novelists who deliberately cultivated a religious following.

Ayn Rand viewed “Atlas Shrugged” as her magnum opus, as the embodiment of objectivism. It was. It is also a perfect antithesis of Christianity. The Christian virtues of humility and mercy are vices to Ayn Rand. The paradox that the first shall be last and the last first is an abomination to her. Like Friedrich Nietzsche and like the satanist Anton LaVey, she proposed an inversion of all true values into vices and all vices into virtues. Her chief virtue, by her own admission, is the vice pride, which she saw as a noble impulse that had been maligned by Christianity. Pride was also LaVey’s chief virtue in his “Satanic Bible.” (Yes, such a book exists, and though LaVey was trying full-tilt to be the antagonist of everything good and holy, he was a carnival sideshow at this compared to the disturbingly influential Rand.)

Objectivism, then, is not merely atheistic with certain aspects which may be reconciled with Christianity. It is essentially satanic. If you stood the Sermon on the Mount on its head, you would get Ayn Rand’s objectivism. In her Utopian eschatology, it is not the meek who inherit the earth, but the arrogant. Christ said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. For Rand, conversely, the rich were the guarantors of heroic virtue. Her major ambition in life was to join their ranks and so she finally did by selling her ridiculous books and their poisonous ideas. Christ said that in as much as we had done or failed to do to “the least of these” we had done or failed to do to Him. Rand had only contempt and hatred for “the least of these” and saw her obligation to her fellow creatures as absolutely zero.

In the end, Ayn Rand would not have been surprised at the number of Christians interested in “Atlas Shrugged.” She always believed that Christianity was inhuman, self-contradictory, and ultimately unlivable. Since she believed that Christianity could not be followed with any consistency in the real world for very long, the interest her movie has aroused among believers would have been very gratifying to her. Given an opportunity like this, she would have opened her arms wide to them and welcomed them in to her bent little world. But she would have had a long, hard laugh if anyone had proposed a way of reconciling her philosophy with theirs. While the unfortunate common wisdom is that Christianity is just one religion among many, Ayn Rand knew better. Perhaps instinctively she recognized that Christianity was special. To her, it was the most wicked religion that had ever developed on the planet.

St. Paul tells us that the love of money is the root of all evil. Ayn Rand, however, openly and unapologetically idolized wealth. For this, she is celebrated in some sad circles and her banal novel is made into a film, three films actually, with part one in limited release now. Avoid it. At its heart and coursing through all its members is one damnable lie after another. Yes, certain ... personalities have recommended this movie to you. I see their recommendation as a major indicator of how far astray they themselves have gone. Or, more likely, it is a clue as to where they have always made their camp.

http://www.salisburypost.com/Opinion/061211-insight-sells-rand-qcd


16 posted on 06/13/2011 2:14:24 PM PDT by lwd
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To: youngidiot
What the hell is a “progressive Christian”?

To give you an idea, I know a woman who considers herself one, and she has a bumper sticker saying, "Liberal Christianity...Christianity Without The Hate." I don't know what Bible she reads, but she thinks Christians who oppose gay marriage are haters.

17 posted on 06/13/2011 2:50:53 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; AmericanGirlRising; ...

This is the third thread on the subject, but it is a bit more comprehensive than the other two.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 2:52:04 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Tulane
Rand jerked the libertarian movement sharply to the left when she came on the scene.

Prior to Rand, old school libertarians opposed the government's claim of a right to license occupations, and indeed much of the lefts gain of control over our personal lives comes through that venue.

Support for abortion also came along with Rand.

Rand was a warrior for the free love movement as much as for anything else and her prose is stilted at best.

19 posted on 06/13/2011 3:30:12 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: youngidiot
What the hell is a “progressive Christian”?

Cognitive dissonance ... you can be one or the other, but not both simultaneously.

I know I'm going out on a limb here, but a pretty strong one, nonetheless.

20 posted on 06/13/2011 3:33:03 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: youngidiot

Christians who believe in theft.


21 posted on 06/13/2011 3:35:50 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

When I saw the headline I was certain it was that Jim Wallis group, I think the name is Sojourners.


22 posted on 06/13/2011 3:41:27 PM PDT by Marathoner (Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim, RATS GOTTA TAX!)
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To: Nea Wood
I don't know what Bible she reads, but she thinks Christians who oppose gay marriage are haters.

We are. Of sin.

23 posted on 06/13/2011 8:25:03 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama are not rivals, they're running mates." - Rep. Thaddeus McCotter)
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To: Nea Wood
"I don't know what Bible she reads, but she thinks Christians who oppose gay marriage are haters."

When the Romans persecuted the first Christians they called Christians "haters" of man and of the gods. The tactics of Satan and the world in their battle to destroy Christ's bride have not changed since the beginning.

24 posted on 06/14/2011 5:20:51 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Black Liberation Theology is the same thing.

They both use religeon as an excuse to commit evil. They want to enslave me for their interests.


25 posted on 06/14/2011 6:45:14 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: MrB

yes.

we watch irwin baxter’s series on the new religious “unity”.

thank you.


26 posted on 06/14/2011 7:45:26 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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