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Knockout King: Kids call it a game. Academics call it a bogus trend. Cops call it murder.
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-06-09/news/knockout-king-elex-murphy-hoang-nguyen-dutchtown-murder/ ^ | 6/9/2011

Posted on 06/13/2011 5:40:34 PM PDT by Altura Ct.

On the blustery morning of April 16, Hoang Nguyen and his wife, Yen, left their Dutchtown apartment to go grocery shopping, a Saturday routine. After bidding goodbye to their 25-year-old son, Kenny, the couple strolled east on Chippewa Street, crossing Spring and Giles avenues, then headed south on Grand Boulevard toward their market.

Hoang, a 72-year-old retired schoolteacher and avid painter, immigrated with his wife to St. Louis three-and-a-half years ago from their native Vietnam. The couple wanted to be closer to their daughter, Lan, who'd married an American and settled in south county. Kenny joined his parents six months later. By now the Nguyens were fixtures in Dutchtown's growing Vietnamese community and active parishioners at Resurrection of Our Lord. Recently Hoang had begun taking English classes at the International Institute of St. Louis nearby.

The Nguyens ticked off the items on their shopping list — fish, vegetables, noodles — filling their pushcart with grocery bags. Security-camera footage shows the diminutive husband embracing a friend at the cash register as his 59-year-old wife laughs nearby.

When the Nguyens left the grocer at about 10:30, they took a shortcut home through the alley that parallels Chippewa to the south. They'd been taking this route for months; though it made Yen nervous, the alley's gradual slope made it easier for her elderly husband to maneuver their pushcart.

Midway down the alley, Nguyen's cart stopped suddenly — seemingly for no reason. "It was like it was a sign saying we shouldn't go that way," Yen says in hindsight. When Hoang got the wheels moving again, they looked up and saw two young men and two young women approaching.

Moments later, one of the men charged.

Hoang stepped in front of his wife to protect her, she recalls. The man grabbed Hoang's jacket as he pleaded for mercy, shouting, "No, no, no!"

"Jason" considers himself a typical fourteen-year-old. "I got a good family background," he asserts by phone from his mother's house in St. Louis County, on a morning when he decided to skip school after oversleeping.

Jason, who asked RFT to use a pseudonym, recently moved to the county from south city, where he attended Fanning Middle School, near Grand Boulevard and not far from the Nguyen household. It was during his middle-school years that he was introduced to Knockout King.

"I always hit 'em hard," he says. "If you don't hit 'em hard, they don't go far."

Jason is talking about a ritual — those who participate call it a game — that has been adopted by young teens across the St. Louis area. Once an elusive phenomenon that flew under the local radar, the game exploded onto the collective consciousness with the media reports that followed the attack on Hoang Nguyen.

Along with a generalized sense of fear, there was befuddlement: What would drive a young person to sucker punch a defenseless stranger purely for sport?

"It was just a little game," says Jason. "We used to walk to where a lot of people be at and hit 'em. If one of the homeboys didn't knock him out, then the other would come. Whoever knock him out would be king."

The rules of Knockout King are straightforward, according to Jason and other former players interviewed for this article. A lead attacker is chosen from among a group of boys, usually young adolescents. Next a target is picked out. Then the attacker either charges the unsuspecting victim or motions for his attention. When the target turns or lifts his head, the attacker strikes. If the victim is felled by the punch, the group usually scatters. But if the target withstands the blow, other members of the group may follow up with their fists to finish the job. "Some people kick, but I ain't used to kick," says Jason. "I just punched."

Jason says he began playing when he was about eleven and that his group once knocked out five people in one night. Did victims ever lose consciousness? "Probably," he concedes. "I would think about it afterward, but then the thoughts go away, like it never happened."

For some victims of the assaults, the memories eventually fade away as well.

Others find it harder to forget.

Harder for 80-year-old Rafael Quiroz, who was hit on the back of his head last year while standing on a corner of Michigan Avenue in broad daylight. The blow knocked him to the ground and bloodied him. "Physically he's OK now, but mentally he won't go on walks like he used to," says Quiroz's granddaughter, Lucy Rosales.

Harder for John Stuhlman, 36, who was hit in the head last year while walking home from work, leaving him with dizzy spells that persisted for two weeks. "I freaked out and took off down the street, and he tried to chase me," recalls Stuhlman, who now avoids walking the streets late at night. "He was upset because I didn't fall down. He even said something like, "I hit you, and you fall down.'"

Harder for John Henry Muhrer, 35, who was assaulted by a group of kids in near Tower Grove Park a few years ago. The lead attacker distracted him by tossing a small bike in his path, then swooped in. "He hit me pretty hard," says Muhrer. "Never saw it coming."

More here:

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-06-09/news/knockout-king-elex-murphy-hoang-nguyen-dutchtown-murder/


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1 posted on 06/13/2011 5:40:42 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Black culture.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 5:44:48 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Altura Ct.
People need to arm themselves. Turning "Jason's" brainpan into a cloud of pink mist would not even be homicide, since it is obviously not human.
3 posted on 06/13/2011 5:52:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jmacusa
Three choices in that “game”.

1) pretend to be “knocked-out” after the first punch and hope the bastards leave.

2) Try and fight back, and likely get beaten into a coma by a group of assailants.

3) Be a CCW holder, fire on the first youth that hits you with a shot between his eyes, and dare anybody else to attack you.

I know what I'd do, but if you don't carry, your options are limited.

4 posted on 06/13/2011 5:52:34 PM PDT by Carling (At some point, those surrounding Obama have to realize that they are working for a psychopath)
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To: Altura Ct.

Some people should just be shot on sight. What kind of value system exists here? You are not safe.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 5:53:35 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Altura Ct.

Hope hope one of these bastards runs into a .45 one day.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 5:53:45 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: Altura Ct.

There seems to be an increase in the feralness of the diversity crowd especially since the National Joke was elected.


7 posted on 06/13/2011 5:54:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: jmacusa

It is the black culture created by the Rat Party.


8 posted on 06/13/2011 5:56:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Carling

It’s better to go Bernie Goetz if possible. Suddenly the game may prove unpopular as a result.


9 posted on 06/13/2011 5:57:04 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Altura Ct.

From that Libroid presstitute’s article: “All but two of the ten victims RFT interviewed were white (one was black and was Latino), and all of the players were black. But Knockout King does not appear to be bounded by race.”

The presstitute seems to have no grasp of basic statistical analysis. But, its Agenda Uber Alles gene is working. Its stupid gene seems to be doing OK, too.


10 posted on 06/13/2011 5:58:32 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Nah, it was there without any help from the Rats.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 5:59:54 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Carling
I know what I'd do, but if you don't carry, your options are limited.

One option I use is a pair of brass knuckles in my pocket........

12 posted on 06/13/2011 6:00:17 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: Altura Ct.

In the months that preceded the attack on the Nguyens, Elex Murphy (at Valley Springs Youth Ranch) had reinvented himself with falsehoods, telling acquaintances that his mother was dead, that he was from Atlanta and that he attended Washington University.

I wonder how many times this clown was "king."

13 posted on 06/13/2011 6:01:34 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Altura Ct.

It only works where decent people have been disarmed by unconstitutional laws.


14 posted on 06/13/2011 6:02:08 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion)
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To: Altura Ct.

They want to act like rabid dogs, then that’s how they should be treated.


15 posted on 06/13/2011 6:04:46 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: jmacusa

Black thug animal culture. Not all blacks are like this.


16 posted on 06/13/2011 6:11:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: jmacusa
Black culture.

This.

My culture: if you attack me, I will shoot you. Not a warning shot, not a shot to wound or scare you, but a doubletap to center mass to kill you deader than hell. I will also shoot anyone who is with you that I perceive to be a threat. End of story.
17 posted on 06/13/2011 6:12:12 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I doubt that 72 year old Hoang Nguyen could have legally owned a gun, having only been here 3 years, probably not a citizen yet. The article says he was taking English classes and is probably here legally.

I know, I know, better to face 12 jurors than have 6 pall bearers.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 6:13:02 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Carling

If they are in a group, you can fire on all of them until one is left standing/running away. If he or she charges you still, you can fire.

Disparity of force allows you to use a stronger level of force due to being outnumbered.


19 posted on 06/13/2011 6:13:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: snowrip
This whole situation is just depressing. For this, slaves fought to be free? Don't they ever think about that? Aren't they ever TAUGHT that?

Damn shame.

20 posted on 06/13/2011 6:16:20 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Brainpan”?? You are too kind. These feral city scum may not even have brain stems.


21 posted on 06/13/2011 6:18:31 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: jmacusa
Black culture.

Yes. That's exactly what it is and we shouldn't hesitate to say so.

I wish people would quit nodding to the gods of PC by saying 'Amish' when they mean blacks.

22 posted on 06/13/2011 6:20:44 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
It only works where decent people have been disarmed by unconstitutional laws.

Really? Because Missouri is a "shall issue" state. The fact is for a all the "I'd kill 'em all" bravado one sees in these threads, if you pull a pistol and shoot an unarmed person before they hit you, you're pretty much screwed as far as the legal system goes. It may be wrong it's that way, but then again we can't allow every potential fist fight be ended pre-emptively by gunshot either.

And you might not get a chance after they hit you. So best to be aware of your surroundings and avoid areas where this is most likely to happen.

23 posted on 06/13/2011 6:23:27 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It’s hard to tell the good from the bad, though. I got sucker-punched in the face when I was 13 leaving a movie theater (Ithaca, NY 1964). I’ve been shouldered hard by black guys walking the other direction on public sidewalks (Columbus, OH ~1990). My wife and I got threatened returning to our car in a parking lot and paid the bum to leave us alone (Palo Alto, CA ~1997). I thank my lucky stars none of this lead to a serious or deadly altercation. I’m just an average, law-abiding guy going about his innocent daily business and I’ve been beaten, threatened and accosted three times in “safe” areas. It’s no wonder people cross the street when they see the scum walking toward them.


24 posted on 06/13/2011 6:26:45 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Secret Agent Man
If they are in a group, you can fire on all of them until one is left standing/running away. If he or she charges you still, you can fire.

I don't know where you got that, but you better hope they run after you pull your weapon if you think that. Because if you leave 4 unarmed people dead in an alley without evidence of battery on you, you're gonna probably get the needle unless they left behind a note or something saying they were heading out to mug people.

25 posted on 06/13/2011 6:28:01 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Jason, who asked RFT to use a pseudonym

Yeah Jason suuurre.

And how about we call the girl Heather

So now not only will we not ID race but we will give the perpetrators all White names also

Stupid press

26 posted on 06/13/2011 6:29:42 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Altura Ct.

Someone died from this in Fort Collins, Colorado a few days ago:

“Engle’s uncle, Roger Duke, told 7NEWS his nephew was “sucker punched” by a man as he walked down the street with Duke’s son. Engle fell down and his head struck the ground, Duke said.

“The uncle said there was no confrontation – his nephew happened to walk between two men and one of them turned and punched him in the face. Duke said he believes the men were gang members.

“The uncle said Engle, the father of three children, suffered brain death.”

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28156616/detail.html


27 posted on 06/13/2011 6:37:35 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Dianna

Double ditto. How sad.


28 posted on 06/13/2011 6:44:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Flash sense of empowerment from Erkel Mugabe with no background in terminal ballistics ..... Agree with ya.

Enlighten em as encountered if possible.

Stay safe....


29 posted on 06/13/2011 6:45:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: jmacusa; Blood of Tyrants; Secret Agent Man; Ken H; Altura Ct.

The first time I heard of this kind of thing, years ago, it was going on over in the formally Great Britain. The assailants were not black. It’s a punk hooligan thing.


30 posted on 06/13/2011 6:50:12 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yeah, so much for that “unity” crap


31 posted on 06/13/2011 6:56:49 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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To: Dianna

Actually they are taught that the civil war was fought for the same reasons all wars are fought. Greedy rich white people. 300,000 dead union soldiers were just greedy. The fact that all the states on one side were free and all the states on the other side were slave. That was a coincidence.


32 posted on 06/13/2011 7:01:39 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: triumphant values
Really? Because Missouri is a "shall issue" state. The fact is for a all the "I'd kill 'em all" bravado one sees in these threads, if you pull a pistol and shoot an unarmed person before they hit you, you're pretty much screwed as far as the legal system goes. It may be wrong it's that way, but then again we can't allow every potential fist fight be ended pre-emptively by gunshot either. And you might not get a chance after they hit you. So best to be aware of your surroundings and avoid areas where this is most likely to happen.

Begone, thou hast no business injecting reason into a thread on the internet! Begone Satan! How dare ye besmirch the sacred internet with intelligence and logic. /s

You are of course quite correct. However, the internet Rambo will never listen.

33 posted on 06/13/2011 7:01:39 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Graybeard58
"I doubt that 72 year old Hoang Nguyen could have legally owned a gun, having only been here 3 years, probably not a citizen yet."

I checked a few years ago, and they could then. Unless statute changed since then, as long as they abide by the laws here,...


34 posted on 06/13/2011 7:04:07 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: qam1

Jason, who asked RFT to use a pseudonym
Yeah Jason suuurre.

And how about we call the girl Heather

So now not only will we not ID race but we will give the perpetrators all White names also

Stupid press


Don’t be stupid. Jason and Heather are not “white names.” I know several black people personally, and they have names like Josh, Ashley, Erica, Renee, and Dana. Sure there are a few more “black” names like LaKeisha or Tamika. To be honest though, I work for a coffee shop with a largely black clientele and most of them have “white” names: Mike, Darrel, Justin, and yes, Jason. Oh, and I have written “Heather” on cups belonging to black girls, too.

Besides, a lot of the white people have names like Chemere and Gage.

I get that you are irritated with a bunch of minority centered pc-crap. I am too. We can’t keep defending criminals by playing the race card. But please, don’t be ignorant of the fact that there are in fact plenty of black men named Jason. Because you honestly sound racist.


35 posted on 06/13/2011 7:07:48 PM PDT by Conservaliberty (Ancient Chinese Curse: "May you live in interesting times....and may you always get what you want.")
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To: Altura Ct.

In the Summer of 1969 my date and I were going to an Asheville Tourists baseball game. To get to the stadium we passed through a fairly small area called “Little Africa”.

As we were stopped at a red light, a white Pontiac convertible with seven Black youths suddenly pulled in front of us blocking us in. One of them yelled an obscenity then they all began jumping out.

I immediately reached under the seat for the Browning Hi-Power and before I had it out, one of them yelled, “he’s got a gun”. They all jumped back in and took off.

I learned a couple of lessons from that. First of all, I probably should have rolled up the window and locked the door before going for the gun as they would probably have gotten to me if they had really been determined. Also it was illegal at that time in North Carolina to be carrying the gun. I am still glad I had it and would have used it. In fact that is just what I was about to do.


36 posted on 06/13/2011 7:12:09 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: When do we get liberated?

Actually they are taught that the civil war was fought for the same reasons all wars are fought. Greedy rich white people. 300,000 dead union soldiers were just greedy. The fact that all the states on one side were free and all the states on the other side were slave. That was a coincidence.


please tell me you are joking. Also, please tell me how you came by this information.
If this is true, I will cry for public education. Again.


37 posted on 06/13/2011 7:12:33 PM PDT by Conservaliberty (Ancient Chinese Curse: "May you live in interesting times....and may you always get what you want.")
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To: triumphant values
if you pull a pistol and shoot an unarmed person before they hit you, you're pretty much screwed as far as the legal system goes

I just took a concealed carry class in Oklahoma and it's the same here. They have to brandish a weapon before it's considered a righteous shooting. In fact there was a term the instructor used "reciprocity", which means that a lot of states will uphold the CCW laws of other states and it carries weight through a chain of states from Nevada to Florida.

38 posted on 06/13/2011 7:18:57 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: When do we get liberated?
The fact that all the states on one side were free and all the states on the other side were slave. That was a coincidence.

At the start of the war at least 4 of the eventual Union states, six if you count NJ (something like 100 quasi-slaves) and WV, had legal slavery.

By the end of the war all had emancipated their slaves without compensation except KY and DE (less than 200 by that point).

There is, BTW, a large and vocal group on FR who agree with the above statement. The war, they believe, had nothing to do with slavery and its disproportionate presence in the two regions was purely coincidental. They are, of course, full of cr*p.

39 posted on 06/13/2011 7:34:22 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

I hope he dies of aids contacted by being raped by a homo serial killer who shares his cell.


40 posted on 06/13/2011 7:50:11 PM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Aikido: dodge, throw, stomp, repeat.


41 posted on 06/13/2011 8:02:59 PM PDT by struggle
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To: Sherman Logan

Slavery was part of it but not even close to the reason. The real issue was centralized power or States power or local power.

It is actually easy to prove. Lincoln put off the emancipation proclamation and even then, made it effective only in Confederate states. The reason was he knew the soldiers did not see it as freeing slaves.

The fact is they called themselves “Union”, I don’t think I ever heard of them calling themselves the slavery abolishers.

Nor did the Confederates call themselves fighters for slavery. They were fighting for freedom from an all powerful federal government.

Your saying it is nonsense is itself nonsense.


42 posted on 06/13/2011 8:09:32 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Altura Ct.

If that story don’t give you the willies, I don’t know what will.

Open carry is legal here, so I may start wearing my Glock when I mow the lawn...


43 posted on 06/13/2011 8:27:25 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Your what hurts??)
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To: triumphant values

If you fear for your life and are not a willing participant and don’t see a way out without using force, you can do that.

Read up on disparity of force.

It’s not something I’d ever encourage someone to want to do, or be excited about doing. But when multiple assailants are facing you and you believe you are in imminent danger and fear dying or permanent bodily injury, you are able to defend yourself. If it’s 4 against one you are at a disadvantage and 4 of them can permanently injure or kill you, so use of the firearm against them is reasonable under disparity of force standards. It is even more warranted if you are old and they are young, if you are disabled, if you are smaller, if you are female and they are male.


44 posted on 06/13/2011 8:28:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Dianna

“For this, slaves fought to be free?”

Not very many fought at all for any reason.


45 posted on 06/13/2011 8:29:11 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: yarddog
At least some Confederates were clear on what they were fighting for. Perhaps the best general on either side said, “If we aint fightin’ fer slavery then I’d like to know what we are fightin’ fer.”

NB Forrest. You may have heard of him.

46 posted on 06/13/2011 8:30:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Conservaliberty

I refer you to post 42.


47 posted on 06/13/2011 8:32:28 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Secret Agent Man
If you fear for your life and are not a willing participant and don’t see a way out without using force, you can do that. Read up on disparity of force.

What the hell are words on paper going to do for you standing over 4 unarmed dead bodies with a pistol? A corpse can't really confess to planning to mug you now can it?

48 posted on 06/13/2011 8:33:53 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I have my doubts that Forrest said that. He was a great general but Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were probably the best.

An interesting fact which few people know is Lee and Grant both acquired slaves from their wives when they married. Robert E. Lee freed his. Grant kept his and didn’t free them when the war ended. He only did so with the 13th amendment. I guess you have heard of Lee and Grant.


49 posted on 06/13/2011 8:38:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: triumphant values

Look, not wanting to argue here.

If you read before, once you are down one to one, if they are not armed with a gun, disparity of force is no longer in effect. Further you may not have killed the other three, or even had to shoot the others. You are trying to stop the threat so it doesn’t automatically mean they all are dead.

And I would hope you follow the advice given in my carry class, to always have a recording device running on your belt when you are out in public. I have a great digital recorder that I can plug into my USB port on my laptop and save the files.


50 posted on 06/13/2011 8:40:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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