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Export of shale gas angers Western Pennsylvania landowners
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | June 13, 2011 | Timothy Puko

Posted on 06/13/2011 8:17:47 PM PDT by Ditto

Natural gas pipeline companies have been Dorothy Ganiear's neighbor in Greene County for as long as she can remember.

Pipelines from two companies poke out from the ground in twisting interchanges just over a grassy hillside from her family's 100-acre farm, but noise or accidents never have been a problem, Ganiear said.

So when Virginia-based Dominion Resources Inc. offered her money this year to allow the company to run another pipeline under a corner of her Morgan Township property, Ganiear, 61, was happy to help. This is what we all have to live with in order to get the natural gas we need to heat our homes, she said.

What she does not want to live with is a pipeline that would help take gas to a port for export overseas.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: balanceoftrade; default; economy; energy; exports; globalism; globalwarming; naturalgas; oil
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1 posted on 06/13/2011 8:17:52 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

I thought exporting was a Good Thing.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 8:21:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Ditto

They own us... What do you expect?


3 posted on 06/13/2011 8:24:16 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Who is ‘They?’


4 posted on 06/13/2011 8:26:19 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto

There are literally a million gas wells in southern New York State. . . all capped. Wonder why that is? My son used to paint them during summer recess from college.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 8:27:15 PM PDT by mia
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To: Ditto

It would be nice to see it used in a manner to offset oil imports, but if there’s no domestic use for it - export it!


6 posted on 06/13/2011 8:27:15 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Ditto

Today I talked to a guy whose former company - a large trucking company - shut down a 40 person accounting dept and shipped it to India. So I mentioned this to a girl I know where I work and she said it’s been discussed in our company as well.

Really, what will be left???


7 posted on 06/13/2011 8:27:43 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Ditto
The woman is probably very nice but needs to understand the concept of a 'fungible commodity'. That a good slow read from Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics should put her mind at ease.
8 posted on 06/13/2011 8:31:09 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Ditto

The woman is utterly ignorant to think that the gas should only be used to heat local homes. And it’s also blind to not see how even if THAT gas isn’t used in HER area,, why it isn’t a massive benefit to her.

Taxes pour into the local base,,local people who own the land get paid well. SHE gets paid rent for the pipeline on her land. Guys like her son get paying blue collar jobs (i heard the steel mills closed?) , now he buys a house, a car, a dinner out. The price for the gas she DOES use drops because the overall supply increases, her NATION benefits.

Tell her to grow up, or maybe read a book.

PS,, i don’t know how to break it to her,, but those chocolate bars they make in Hershey,,They ain’t all ate in Pennsylvania either.


9 posted on 06/13/2011 8:32:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Aria
Really, what will be left???

The same options that confronted the Founding Fathers in the 1770's.

10 posted on 06/13/2011 8:35:20 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DesertRhino

I agree. She also needs to understand that natural gas is everywhere. There’s a LOT of it. If we can sell it, why not ?

She does not have to let the pipeline go over her property. But her neighbor might.

I fault the people in charge for not explaining to her exactly what will be happening.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 8:36:12 PM PDT by CornBred
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To: Ditto

Shale gas has produced an excess of natural gas.

Why would anyone object to exporting anything we have more of than we can use? I am taking this story with a grain of salt, maybe the lady doesn’t own the minerals under her place and was needing something to complain about.

I am hoping we smart up enough to start running our cars and trucks with CNG and use all the excess gas we can produce, but with nobama nothing good or to our benefit is going to happen.


12 posted on 06/13/2011 8:36:41 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Ditto

The woman is utterly ignorant to think that the gas should only be used to heat local homes. And it’s also blind to not see how even if THAT gas isn’t used in HER area,, why it isn’t a massive benefit to her.

Taxes pour into the local base,,local people who own the land get paid well. SHE gets paid rent for the pipeline on her land. Guys like her son get paying blue collar jobs (i heard the steel mills closed?) , now he buys a house, a car, a dinner out. The price for the gas she DOES use drops because the overall supply increases, her NATION benefits.

Tell her to grow up, or maybe read a book.

PS,, i don’t know how to break it to her,, but those chocolate bars they make in Hershey,,They ain’t all ate in Pennsylvania either.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 8:36:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


14 posted on 06/13/2011 8:38:51 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: DesertRhino
I hate to break it to you but a lot of those Hershey candy bars are now made in Mexico.
15 posted on 06/13/2011 8:42:57 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: dusttoyou
FWIW:

Paper: Exporting US natural gas will hike US price

16 posted on 06/13/2011 8:43:08 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: CornBred

Agreed,, i get impatient! But yes,,, someone should have explained this to the nice lady who im sure means well.

You know,, there was a time when they made these movie shorts,, you see em on TCM sometimes even. “WHere does that egg come from?”,,, “Why you should participate in the Census?” etc etc...

Today, they do not want an educated populace.


17 posted on 06/13/2011 8:43:38 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: CornBred

Agreed,, i get impatient! But yes,,, someone should have explained this to the nice lady who im sure means well.

You know,, there was a time when they made these movie shorts,, you see em on TCM sometimes even. “WHere does that egg come from?”,,, “Why you should participate in the Census?” etc etc...

Today, they do not want an educated populace.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 8:43:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Ditto

Here in New York, the State Assembly has basically stopped any increase in gas production by banning “fracking” while it “studies” the issue. So we here certainly aren’t benefitting from an abundance of gas in Upstate. We would be lucky to have jobs and income from sales domestic - or international. This woman should be happy her local politicians have screwed it up.


19 posted on 06/13/2011 8:43:44 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: org.whodat

And boy do they taste like it. I swear the last one I had was bitter.


20 posted on 06/13/2011 8:44:40 PM PDT by CornBred
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To: org.whodat

lol,, of course. I meant it tongue in cheek, in an illustrative way. But that still makes my point,,,wouldn’t she prefer to produce the candy (a commodity) locally, for use elsewhere?

And conversely,, what if the cocoa farms complained how all the cocoa pods were “being sent somewhere else”?


21 posted on 06/13/2011 8:47:59 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

I do feel bad for her. Someone just gave her bad information.

I know what I’m talking about. My husband works a natural gas pipeline. I hear stories everyday about running a line through someone’s property. There are lawyers involved. She can ask any question she wants.


22 posted on 06/13/2011 8:48:47 PM PDT by CornBred
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To: Ditto
If we've got nore natural gas than we can use, why not export it?

The article is written in a contentious way -- trying to make it seem that the gas coursing thru the pipelines under the lady's property is committed to export when it's not.

The only connection is that one of the pipeline's owners is also involved in a projected import-export natural gas terminal in Maryland.

To which, the best answer is "So what?"

23 posted on 06/13/2011 8:52:50 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: CornBred

And it truly is correct to feel bad for her. Someone is feeding her bad info,,,likely an environmentalist who want to stop all gas production.

Most people are truly good, and if it is explained to them correctly, people like her would be dancing in her yard, for herself, her local community, her kids, and her nation. The fee for a pipeline on her property would likely surprise her.


24 posted on 06/13/2011 8:54:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: CornBred

Energy production creates so many good jobs. Lord knows we need them. I know it’s a shock to the Wall Street polished shoe lickers, but not everyone in this nation is, or wants to be an MBA.


25 posted on 06/13/2011 8:58:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

I can say without pause her eyes would pop out of her head. :)

Anyone living near the shale/natural gas finds needs to go apply for the jobs.


26 posted on 06/13/2011 8:59:03 PM PDT by CornBred
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To: Ditto

I wish someone would come and pay me to run a gas line across my property. I would also demand free gas for my liftime then I could heat my pool year round. When I was growing up we had a gas well on our property. Had free gas for life. Saved my parents alot of money. Espically since they were in the chicken growing business.


27 posted on 06/13/2011 9:05:27 PM PDT by therut
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To: Ditto

Export it all to China. Send ‘em all of the trees in North America, too. Our bipartisan corporate superiors taught us that our country is overpopulated with European culture descendants, and that there’s too much domestic business competition.


28 posted on 06/13/2011 9:08:45 PM PDT by familyop ("I'm going to cut open his head and eat his brain." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: therut

LOL, they’ll pay to run the pipeline but around here they don’t do free gas.

I wish I had a gas stove. I hate that electric monster we have. We have no gas service in this hood but God as my witness, the day we do, I’m getting a gas stove !!


29 posted on 06/13/2011 9:15:55 PM PDT by CornBred
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To: DesertRhino

Speaking as a Southwest PA man — our new governor will not put a tax on that gas. So, unfortunately, “taxes pour into the local base” isn’t really true.

My question is — who owns that gas? The people who own the land the gas in on or the people who drill wells miles away and steal it?

All I know is that I’m not making any money from it.


30 posted on 06/13/2011 9:16:25 PM PDT by laskerjones
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To: DesertRhino; therut; okie01; PGR88; dusttoyou; MSF BU; mia; DTogo; HiTech RedNeck
This was actually the second article in a series on the issue from the Tribune Review. Please read it. Nat Gas prices in the US are far below world levels and people overseas are willing to pay a bunch for it. But,,, we need energy here, and with all the shale coming on line that could give US industry a boost, do we want our natural gas to be a world commodity?

Here's the heading and link to the first article on this published yesterday. Comments --- Pro? Con?

Natural gas prices set to jump with exports

Some companies that control America's natural gas are pushing for government approval to export gas overseas for higher profits on the international market, a move that will significantly drive up prices in the United States because this nation still imports more than 10 percent of its domestic needs. Among the biggest expected customers for American gas exports: energy-thirsty China, other Asian nations and Europe.
Link to the rest of the article here:

The question is, do we get the advantage domestically of low natural gas prices for residential, commercial, electric generation and industrial uses here, or does natural gas become another world commodity driven by other economies?

31 posted on 06/13/2011 9:17:24 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto

Our energy policy has to be geared to release the US from foreign oil dependence...meaning oil pumped from our land is sold within our country.

Also US workers and US based companies should benefit from the industry.

The reason: Americans are not third world idiots where foreigners exploit us, our enviornment and our land. It is not to our advantage to permit the extraction of gas and oil if we are not benefited by it and foreign policy will be benefited as well as our cost of living if we do an America first policy.


32 posted on 06/13/2011 9:22:34 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Ditto
Humbug. You sell a pipeline easement across your property, take the money and be happy. You have no say in what happens at the far end.

Besides, NG exports are good for America in the aggregate, just like any other export.

33 posted on 06/13/2011 9:26:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It is.


34 posted on 06/13/2011 9:29:05 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Ditto

The obvious solution is liquifaction of natural gas into gasoline, diesel, etc, using the Fischer-Tropps process. The same can be done with coal, albeit at a higher cost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

Lqiufaction of natural gas into POL is price-competitive with normally drilled oil when the price per barrel of oil is about $45-$50 (and about $60 a barrel for coal liquifaction). The major obstacle is the capital investment necessary, which requires a risk premium.

Large-scale conversion of natural gas and coal to POL might not happen for a long time given that shale oil can now be fracked for about $35-$40 a barrel POL equivalent. Israel is about 15-20 years out from really massive, Persian Gulf scale, deep shale oil production, via fracking. See:

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/06/10/israels-new-energy/

Once the Israeli pilot project comes on line in about two years, I expect Europe to start developing its own shale oil with the same process.


35 posted on 06/13/2011 9:29:09 PM PDT by Thud
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To: DTogo

America has a huge and growing NG surplus. Not to export the excess would be irresponsible. Why should we leave money on the table?


36 posted on 06/13/2011 9:29:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: DTogo
It would be nice to see it used in a manner to offset oil imports, but if there’s no domestic use for it - export it

Natural gas would be a far superior alternative to fuel your automobile that would ethanol or certainly electricity!!...There are a multitude of natural gas fired vehicles or the road as we speak, but again, our government is dead set against American supplied fuel....pathetic

37 posted on 06/13/2011 9:37:16 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: SaraJohnson
Americans are not third world idiots where foreigners exploit us, our enviornment and our land.

Really? Where do our agriculture products -- corn, wheat etc. go? Forest products? Coal? Iron ore? Nothing wrong with that.

We export a lot of natural resources and less and less manufactured/value-added products. That is the problem.

We threaten to become a 3rd world commodity supplier while we go into debt to buy energy from overseas.

Why export low cost energy?

38 posted on 06/13/2011 9:45:28 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: laskerjones

Why does the DOE even have control over export of gas? Gas exporters certainly aren’t “stealing it” and its the owner’s right to sell it where he chooses.

Why not just have the Gov’t nationalize it all, and then dole out gas to whoever is most politically connected or pays the highest bribes? That’s the other alternative, and basically how it works elsewhere in the world.


39 posted on 06/13/2011 9:49:22 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Ditto

We are not going to war and sticking our noses into the business of foregin corn producers because of our dependency on corn, are we? So, there is no comparison between the commodity of corn and oil and the way it effects the US economy and foreign policy.

If we ever had a shortage of corn, I would want America first in that trade policy, too.


40 posted on 06/13/2011 9:53:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I thought exporting was a Good Thing

Yea, me to, but onlu surplus to our own need


41 posted on 06/13/2011 10:42:44 PM PDT by munin
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To: Ditto

If more gas is produced than can be sold at a profit what are the companies going to do with it? They could stop drilling for more gas but a gas company without gas is out of business. Or they could raise prices to make U.S. gas prices closer to European prices.
If the demand isn’t here in the U.S. just what can be done with the excess gas?


42 posted on 06/13/2011 10:55:27 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: this_ol_patriot

Just wait until our food grown domestically, is exported while people in America cannot get enough, because it is worth more overseas, or the money derived is better than the “almighty dollar” our politicians are leaving us with. In a global marketplace, that side of beef may fetch $1,000 US dollars, when here people can only afford to pay $350. The free “traitors” will say that is is a good thing that others eat our meals. We can just eat cake.


43 posted on 06/13/2011 10:56:08 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: Ditto
Why export low cost energy?

That is exactly it.

America First.

44 posted on 06/13/2011 10:59:45 PM PDT by CatDancer (I want to call Sarah Palin "Madame President". And I'm old. So hurry up!)
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To: laskerjones
The people who own the land the gas in on or the people who drill wells miles away and steal it?

If drilling is under their property and they have the mineral rights, the right to drill under the property has to be leased from the owner of the Mineral Rights.

It isn't stolen.

There are setbacks, etc, from lease lines, so that even after fracking the well (so the gas will come out of the rock), the gas produced is from under the lease where the well is drilled.

Mineral owners get a royalty on production sales, anywhere from 1/8 to 1/5 of the money.

If you know of someone stealing someone else's natural gas, report them. It's a crime.

45 posted on 06/14/2011 12:04:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: CornBred

You would not believe how dirt cheap natural gas is, add a gas dryer and gas water heater and you save huge amounts on electric bills and add a small amount to your gas bill.


46 posted on 06/14/2011 2:21:35 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: count-your-change
If the demand isn’t here in the U.S. just what can be done with the excess gas?

Make electricity, with all the coal plants being shut down by obummer we are going to need another energy source to generate electricity, gas energy plants can go up a lot faster than nuclear plants can.

47 posted on 06/14/2011 2:25:52 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: this_ol_patriot

Why it’s not being done or done faster, I don’t know. I think if I had a gas line running under my property I’d offer to take the rent payments in gas instead of money.


48 posted on 06/14/2011 2:37:46 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Ditto

And that’s the big story few on this thread realize! When your currency is devalued your resources are exported. But who is receiving increased pay to match the devaluation of the currency? So Americans will be priced out of their resources without realizing why. This is export induced inflation.


49 posted on 06/14/2011 4:06:19 AM PDT by Justa
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To: mia
There are literally a million gas wells in southern New York State. . . all capped. Wonder why that is?

Depleted oil/gas fields are often used as storage for gas.

50 posted on 06/14/2011 4:49:26 AM PDT by Roccus
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