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A key Palin defender turns attacker: Proof she's unelectable? (more 2012 election bias)
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Posted on 06/14/2011 10:36:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise

Palin cheerleader John Ziegler arms Mama Grizzly's detractors by admitting that she can't win the 2012 presidential election

One of Sarah Palin's most ardent supporters — talk-radio host and filmmaker John Ziegler — dropped a bombshell on Monday, saying Todd Palin asked him to consider working on his wife's presidential campaign, but that he rejected the offer because "there is absolutely no way that she can be elected." Ziegler, who made a pro-Palin documentary in 2009, was one the few people who publicly defended the former Republican vice presidential candidate when she resigned as Alaska's governor. But now he says at The Daily Caller that the decision will help Palin's enemies in the media portray her as a quitter. Is Ziegler's pessimism a sign that Palin can't win?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012electionbias; getpalin; orwelliannightmare; pravdamedia
In looking at the Daily Caller article, it appears that his reasoning is that the BIASED MEDIA DEMOCRAT SHILLS would be working as hard as they did in 2008 to push for the Rat Bastard candidate and that her staff may not be working with her best interests in mind. Hardly an indictment of Ms. Palin's ABILITIES.

About the most damning thing he says is that with her in the race (and being unelectable a "foregone conclusion"), she could be taking votes away from other CONSERVATIVE candidates in the early primaries which could again leave the GOP with a mushy moderate in the presidential nominee seat.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/12/the-sarah-palin-i-know/

1 posted on 06/14/2011 10:36:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

barf


2 posted on 06/14/2011 10:38:54 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: a fool in paradise

I was a big Ziegler fan. But I think he’s wrong about this.


3 posted on 06/14/2011 10:39:22 AM PDT by karnage
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To: a fool in paradise
The more they protest....the more I believe she is electable.

4 posted on 06/14/2011 10:39:31 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: a fool in paradise

Palin can win - that’s why this story is news. If she couldn’t win, no one would care what this guy had to say about it...


5 posted on 06/14/2011 10:39:45 AM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: a fool in paradise

I wonder who got to Ziegler, and what they’ve got on him.


6 posted on 06/14/2011 10:40:30 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: a fool in paradise

I wonder when Todd will be talking to Tammy Bruce and Andrew Breitbart — some kick-ass people who would be extremely effective.


7 posted on 06/14/2011 10:42:32 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Lucky9teen

Electable!!! That’s for-sure for Palin


8 posted on 06/14/2011 10:43:09 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: a fool in paradise

I like Ziegler, but let’s face facts: he’s a flake.


9 posted on 06/14/2011 10:44:54 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: GOPJ

Well, apparently (according to Zig), they ARE working on a campaign !!!!

Best news I’ve heard in weeks.


10 posted on 06/14/2011 10:44:54 AM PDT by Reagan69 (First they came for Sarah Palin and I did not speak out because I am not Sarah Palin)
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To: Lucky9teen

I like the word “ineluctable.” I also like the word “Prefident”* for Ubama!

*Pref”i*dent\, a. [Cf. L. praefidens overconfident. See Pre-, and Confident.] overconfident. [Obs.] —Baxter.


11 posted on 06/14/2011 10:45:12 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: a fool in paradise

That could make Zeigler a weasle.. we know who the grizzly is..


13 posted on 06/14/2011 10:49:08 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: a fool in paradise

Resistance is futile!

Prepare to be liberated!


14 posted on 06/14/2011 10:50:13 AM PDT by TheConservativeParty (PALIN 45 The cure for "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." I Heart Herman Cain..)
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To: a fool in paradise
Whatever valid points Ziegler may have get lost in what's obviously bitterness that Palin isn't heeding his unsolicited advice. (And, as some note, potential jealousy that another filmmaker got the "inside track" for her pre-campaign book movie.)
15 posted on 06/14/2011 10:51:59 AM PDT by kevkrom (Imagine if the media spent 1/10 the effort vetting Obama as they've used against Palin.)
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To: a fool in paradise

“there is absolutely no way that she can be elected.”

There you go again. Misunderestimating her.


16 posted on 06/14/2011 10:52:36 AM PDT by McGruff (Why do they fear her so?)
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To: a fool in paradise

This is bound to be an unpopular opinion, but until and if and when Sarah Palin actually declares her candidacy, I’m going to be out there supporting our best candidates. And, so far it ain’t Sarah, because she’s not a candidate.


17 posted on 06/14/2011 10:53:33 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: a fool in paradise

Smells an awful lot like “famous last words” to me. Or sour grapes....difficult to tell which.


18 posted on 06/14/2011 10:53:59 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be ERADICATED....NOW!!)
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To: a fool in paradise

The difference between Ziegler and an honorable person would be to tell Sarah this privately and then leave saying to the press that he has other priorities and is moving on. An honorable person wouldn’t change sides and then get publicity for himself by giving interviews to all the Sarah hating media.


19 posted on 06/14/2011 10:57:21 AM PDT by CedarDave (Things are so bad at the NY Times they have to outsource their investigations.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Hmmmm... Ziegler has a new contract , this time with Rollins?


20 posted on 06/14/2011 10:58:28 AM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
I wonder when Todd will be talking to Tammy Bruce and Andrew Breitbart — some kick-ass people who would be extremely effective.

Breitbart already kicked Ziegler's butt with this response:

Why John Ziegler is Wrong About Sarah Palin's Electability

21 posted on 06/14/2011 11:01:21 AM PDT by CedarDave (Things are so bad at the NY Times they have to outsource their investigations.)
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To: a fool in paradise

So John Ziegler can now predict the future?


22 posted on 06/14/2011 11:02:16 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yes Darnit~! She Sure is unelectable~!

We hears ya’ manstream media

We sure wont try to elect her no how

Thanky~!


23 posted on 06/14/2011 11:11:56 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: a fool in paradise
"Palin cheerleader John Ziegler arms Mama Grizzly's detractors by admitting that she can't win the 2012 presidential election"

Formerly trusted Palin supporter, and back-stabber extraordinaire, John Ziegler, gives aid and comfort to America's leftist enemies by making the wild-assed, delusional claim that "she can't win the 2012 presidential election."

24 posted on 06/14/2011 11:12:26 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: a fool in paradise
RE :"John Ziegler — dropped a bombshell on Monday, saying Todd Palin asked him to consider working on his wife's presidential campaign, but that he rejected the offer because "there is absolutely no way that she can be elected."

If this story is true then it indicates that she is going to run.

25 posted on 06/14/2011 11:12:49 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: bwc2221
It was a dumb article to write on a number of levels. How is it that a guy who's been criticizing media and it's dominance over politics now echoes the same mantra as the rest of the media? If Palin does run, Ziegler's stock would have risen as a Palin analyst. Most curious, he's personally supporting a milk toast Moderate, whom he calls a Conservative candidate (Pawlenty).

Lastly, look where he works now. The Daily Caller is an “establishment Conservative” site who's been running anti Palin pieces since election season began.

I used to view Ziegler as one of the good guys for Conservative causes. Now, not so much.

26 posted on 06/14/2011 11:14:30 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: CedarDave

The deal he made with whoever was to say it publicly. If he were a of a some what respectable character - he wouldn’t have taken that approach.


27 posted on 06/14/2011 11:15:15 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: a fool in paradise

At this time it’s as stupid to say Palin or any of the others can’t win as to say they are sure to win. Ziegler said this for a reason that I don’t know.


28 posted on 06/14/2011 11:15:50 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: CedarDave
An honorable person wouldn’t change sides and then get publicity for himself by giving interviews to all the Sarah hating media.

Bingo. Ziegler has crossed the Rubicon into a very dark place. Only Democrats will trust or break bread with him, from this point forward.

Buh bye, Zig.

29 posted on 06/14/2011 11:17:43 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I hate to admit it but he may be right.

The LSM will do everything possible to demean SP while hiding all the warts of the muslim in chief's foibles.

In addition, it is very possible many in the GOP will work against her as she does not fit their mold and certainly would upset the cozy behind closed doors relationship the RINOs and the Rats seem to have.

Saul Alinsky tactics will be used at every turn. Remember that POS instructs our enemy within to monitor EVERYTHING your opponent writes, say, does as nobody can be perfect 100% of the time. Then take any of those errors and beat them like a drum.

One can only imagine how different things would have been if the vile Saul Alinsky tactics were used against the muslim in chief.

30 posted on 06/14/2011 11:17:54 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: a fool in paradise

You know, I can understand a bit of backstabbing for political advantage. I do NOT approve of it, but I can understand it.

What I do not understand is guys like Ziegler who do this kind of thing, with no realistic prospects of hurting anyone but themselves.

Does he expect to be paid off by Obama? If so, the favor will only last for a little while, and then he’ll just be on the beach, another washed up has-been.

Stupid, really. Just shut up, Stupid.


31 posted on 06/14/2011 11:18:15 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sickoflibs

This is stupid.

The Revolutionary War was unwinnable two years before Yorktown.

Sarah Palin cannot win .... NOW.

Check in again next summer.


32 posted on 06/14/2011 11:20:23 AM PDT by Walrus (Government abuse of taxing powers caused the FIRST American Revolution...)
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To: a fool in paradise
Well....

back in 'ought8, I declared that Brack Obama was unelectable.

There's no way the American people can be so stupid as to elect a reprobate who sat for 20 years listening to a loudmouthed, bigoted, American hating black liberation so called preacher, was a product of affirmative action, never having to do anything except look black, "student",whose only "job" was to go into the getto and "organize" malcontents to protest, and in the extreme, do riots....and be a minor U.S. Senator for a couple of weeks said I.

....and damn, look what happened to my prediction.

...soooo....

...just what voodo spells makes John Ziegler be so sure that absolutely anyone whose at least 35 years old you can pick at random is "unelectable" as POTUS?

If Zer0 can get elected, hell, anyone can.

33 posted on 06/14/2011 11:20:29 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: sickoflibs
"there is absolutely no way that she can be elected."

Hey Johnny, sit back and watch your analysis dry up - and your name with it.

I think the day after the election, crow pie will be the #1 menu choice for the naysayers.
34 posted on 06/14/2011 11:23:57 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: presently no screen name
RE :"there is absolutely no way that she can be elected."Hey Johnny, sit back and watch your analysis dry up - and your name with it. I think the day after the election, crow pie will be the #1 menu choice for the naysayers. "

There was once no way Clinton could be elected, and there was a time no-one thought Obama could get elected, and there was no way McCain could get the nomination, so claiming 'absolutely no way' Palin can get elected is just blowing smoke. I assume the writer has someone else in mind.

35 posted on 06/14/2011 11:29:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Cicero
Not Obama. I imagine Ziegler is looking to attach himself to an ‘establishment’ candidate. He is not interested in the GOP winning he is interested in making himself acceptable to ‘establishment Republicans’ so he can have a career in DC. Even if the party shirks to 1964 levels there still will be ‘official Republicans’. Those are the ones who control the paid jobs. Ziegler has made a strategic decision. A real smaller government Republican can't get traction within the party and the media will marginalize them. So one attaches oneself, remora like, to the fish who will survive. The larger message is that politics as usual will triumph and there is no chance in really reducing the burden of the state, i.e. Obamacare will not be defended, the incandescent light bulb (and lots more) will be outlawed in the name of ‘energy independence’ an most of all the powerful influences in industry and finance who work both sides of the street will collaborate with the polihacks and statists to stifle us with a corporatist regime. Unless of course a tipping moment arrives and the dollar tanks and the economy does implode and then all bets are off.
36 posted on 06/14/2011 11:30:53 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: presently no screen name; Walrus

The only way there is ‘absolutely no way’ Palin can win is if she doesnt run.

Given Newt is ‘running’ and Rudy is ‘running’ who are both
losers it seems silly to me to tell Palin not to run.


37 posted on 06/14/2011 11:34:55 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
There was once no way Clinton could be elected, and there was a time no-one thought Obama could get elected, and there was no way McCain could get the nomination,

LOL!! Those were my thoughts/words at the time! Actually, I still found it hard to believe.
38 posted on 06/14/2011 11:37:11 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: CedarDave

Oh... thanks for the link!

I still wonder if he’ll be approached to serve in The Palin Administration. Hope so. Press Secretary would be good. And I nominate Tammy Bruce to manage strategy, as she’s actually been on the Dark Side and knows how they play their evil game.


39 posted on 06/14/2011 11:42:21 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: sickoflibs
The only way there is ‘absolutely no way’ Palin can win is if she doesnt run.

Good point! What if election day turns out to be like her book tour where many camped overnight - this time to vote for her! LOL!

Rudy's running? I thought Newt's team up and quit?
40 posted on 06/14/2011 11:42:21 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: presently no screen name
RE :"I thought Newt's team up and quit?"

From what I heard they quit when he told them he didnt believe in actual campaigning /rallies in person and instead will campaign from behind a camera and computer. Then he went on that vacation cruise. But he is still 'in' I assume to get camera time only.

Not sure what Rudy's real plans are, hard to believe anyone would donate to him this time.

41 posted on 06/14/2011 11:51:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
"” I also like the word “Prefident”* for Ubama!"

How about "Perfident" instead.....as a contraction of "perfidious president". I think that is more descriptive of Obama.

42 posted on 06/14/2011 12:32:11 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

How about;
Our “Perfidious Prefident” Ubama?
PPOTUS, kinda all “wee wee’d up.”


43 posted on 06/14/2011 12:41:26 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: a fool in paradise
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm

Ziegler produced a 2009 documentary on Palin. I wonder if he was not involved with the forthcoming documentary.

44 posted on 06/14/2011 4:18:51 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Here’s Jon Stewart defending Palin - It’d make a great post if if it’s not posted already? Thanks. (Please, please)

http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/06/stewart-slams-media-for-palin-email.html


45 posted on 06/14/2011 4:51:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: Bockscar

Thanks - you might enjoy this ... It’s Jon Stewart making fun of the MSM for how they’ve treated Palin about the emails...

http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/06/stewart-slams-media-for-palin-email.html


46 posted on 06/14/2011 4:53:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: Bockscar

Thanks - you might enjoy this ... It’s Jon Stewart making fun of the MSM for how they’ve treated Palin about the emails...

http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/06/stewart-slams-media-for-palin-email.html


47 posted on 06/14/2011 4:54:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: Reagan69

Best news I’ve heard in weeks too. Here’s Jon Stewart trashing the MSM over the Palin emails...

http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/06/stewart-slams-media-for-palin-email.html


48 posted on 06/14/2011 4:57:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: a fool in paradise

Ziegler used to be a buffoon. Now he’s a traitor being quoted by media pigs.


49 posted on 06/14/2011 9:34:28 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t know by the Maverics play the other night. Everyone knew there was no way they could win.


50 posted on 06/14/2011 9:49:30 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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