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Debate Brings Up Sharia Law Concerns
CBN News ^ | A.D. 14 June 2011 | Editors

Posted on 06/15/2011 1:15:49 AM PDT by Robert Drobot

"....Many conservatives have warned that there are already signs of Sharia seeping into America's ideals.

Last November a federal judge blocked a voter-approved ban on Sharia law in Oklahoma. Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled that restricting the use of Sharia law was unfair to Muslims.

Also in March, Florida Circuit Court Judge Richard Nielsen said he would use Islamic law to decide a case between several men and the mosque where they worked...."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: cain; courts; florida; hermancain; judicialtreason; noconstitution; nojudgment; oaklahoma; sharia; treason
The robes, from the top to bottom, are indulging in the treasonous decisions using foreign law and now a barbaric women hating seventh century false religion to smear the Creator inspired American Constitution, State Constitutions, federal and state law. Judicial insanity prevails.
1 posted on 06/15/2011 1:15:56 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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2 posted on 06/15/2011 1:36:20 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Quaeras de dubiis, legem ben,e discere si vis)
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To: Robert Drobot

I’m not educated in all the legalese, but I do know that some here have made the point that there are situations where Sharia has been recommended in certain matters by the courts which does not stray away from precedent or law. I can’t explain exactly how that is so, but I am certain there are some Freeper Lawyers out there that can do that better than I can. As a matter of fact, it was pointed out to me in an earlier thread. I’m still looking for it.

All of this hubbub about Sharia seems to be fear-mongering at this point.


3 posted on 06/15/2011 1:43:40 AM PDT by lmr
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To: Robert Drobot
These judges should be impeached and even disbarred for this. In American courts we must use American law simply because that law is the only law based on the US Constitution - the law of the land as we used to say before democrats decided that they had to undermine it to gain and hold power.

Sharia law is unconstitutional because it is based on or actually is a religious law. Do we need our Catholic judges to use Canon Law for Catholic plaintifs? No way.

4 posted on 06/15/2011 1:50:11 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is a foreigner. He occupies the office fraudulently. His SSN belongs to another person.)
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To: lmr

All of this hubbub about Sharia seems to be fear-mongering at this point.

I am no legal scholar, but from a layman view. One law for all the land. Equal protection under the law.
Introducing another form of law for immigrants I do not think will strengthen society, but weaken the rule of law.


5 posted on 06/15/2011 1:50:48 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Robert Drobot

I thought we were supposed to be protected FROM religion?

Isn’t that the Liberal line...?


6 posted on 06/15/2011 2:09:18 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: lmr
Sharia law is a total legal system originated by Mohammad to rule and dictate all actions of Muslims, not something to pick and choose from or to allow parts into the constitutional law system. Sharia allows for stoning, slaves, beating for submission, death for apostates murdering homosexuals and treating women and children as property. It allows and for different and abusive activity according to our constitutional law. Sharia also dictates that it is the supreme authority where ever it is allowed and the word of G-D. Allowing it in is like hiding a rattle snake in your pants and hoping it behaves.
7 posted on 06/15/2011 2:57:30 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: bdfromlv

I sincerely doubt the aim here is to implement barbarism as you have suggested. We aren’t going to have public stonings, slavery or ‘death for apostates’ because of these rulings, nor is any of this ‘picking and choosing’ parts to allow in to the constitutional law system. As I was led to believe by legal scholars here on Free Republic who can explain this better than I, none of this was out of line with established law and precedent, but this still doesn’t stop the ‘mandatory female circumcision for your daughter’ types out there from spreading their fear or from suggesting that I would be defending such practices by not buying in to their reasoning.


8 posted on 06/15/2011 3:06:43 AM PDT by lmr
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To: Robert Drobot

"How I hate the US Constitution.
Screw John Jay. Screw America. We are soooooo cool."

9 posted on 06/15/2011 3:21:44 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: lmr

It is permitted to use any law you want in the abitration of certain matters, often things such as contracts (as long as ultimately, it does not violate US law - for example, you couldn’t enter into a contract to sell yourself or anybody else into slavery). Jewish law is sometimes permitted for the resolution of certain matters in the Orthodox Jewish community, for example.

However, the judge does not decide it on the basis of Jewish law; the arbitrator (often a rabbi or Jewish legal scholar) is responsible for working out the agreement, and the courts simply have to make sure that it’s not contrary to US law.

In theory, this could be done in some Muslim legal situations: for example, arbitration of a contract entered into between two Muslims.

But it’s a very limited area, because the reality is that Islamic law is that of a fully developed theocracy where the religious law and the civil law are one and the same and where it covers all aspects of life and is even meant to have legal effect on non-Muslims living within the area where it is practiced. While Jewish law might have ended up this way, because of external circumstances and its internal dynamic, it didn’t, and the development of our institutions in our civil law owes much to Jewish scholars as they thought about this issue.

Aside from the fact that Jewish law no longer orders the stoning of adulterers, etc., it is also nowhere near as comprehensive and does not violate fundamental human rights as does Islamic law in many areas.

Sharia is a competing and conflicting legal system with respect to US law, and except for the very narrow area of arbitration of agreements and certain property disputes, should not be accepted in our courts and certainly should not be decided by our judges. Furthermore, its application in Islamic immigrant communities should be strictly forbidden, because it conflicts with US law and with the Constitution and violates constitutionally protected natural human rights.


10 posted on 06/15/2011 3:48:02 AM PDT by livius
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To: Robert Drobot

Didn’t Romney say essentially “that will never happen” in the recent debate?


11 posted on 06/15/2011 3:48:40 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: lmr

You have been around too long to have “been lead to believe by legal scholars” anything. ???


12 posted on 06/15/2011 5:00:02 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Robert Drobot

America is at war with islam.
islam declared war on America @15 years ago.
Why would we allow an emenies law to be a part of our land?


13 posted on 06/15/2011 5:22:52 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Nailbiter

I heartily agree,Sir. When we allow judges to decide if Shariah /Islamic Law ought apply to Muslims it sends a message that they are subject to some other law than the rest of us. Just like that (now retired) Reprobate Judge Walker who said the people of California could be disenfranchised because an anti-Christian homosexual Judge was oriented to believe his
chosen group was not subjected to the same law as the rest of us.The Courts ought not consider any law contrary to our Constitution as valid.


14 posted on 06/15/2011 5:28:19 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I don’t remember, but I do clearly remember Cain getting hammered by Liberals for saying essentially the same thing. Heck, my most vivid remembrance from the debate is when he said that American law should rule in our courts, NOT Sharia law. He was ahead of the curve, and this is part of the reason I support him.


15 posted on 06/15/2011 6:01:03 AM PDT by chilepup
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To: lmr

This is America. We have American law here. When you come to the United States you are under the jurisdiction of the American legal system. That is your new law. You leave Sharia behind if you are Muslim. There is no place for any other legal procedure in this country. Its not fear mongering its reality that the Muslims are trying to install their religous legal system in our country so that they can circumvent the American justice system. It cannot be allowed.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 6:19:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Rapscallion
Bingo! This has been a pet peeve of mine for years and years. Courts have been usurping legislative authority for decades and always for the benefit of the Statists.

GOP run Congresses and State Legislatures have done exactly zero to defend their own power and authority. If they won't defend themselves, they sure as heck aren't going to defend me and my rights. So, at some point they will lose my vote and other votes. The GOP elected officials are creating conditions for a third party and potentially their own extinction as a political party.

After the scoflaws of the Florida Supreme Court tried to steal the election for Gore, the GOP had huge majorities, but they did not impeach the usurpers.

In Wisconsin right now as of yesterday, that county magistrate, who tried to overturn the union rights law was just slapped down by the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Impeach her now and bill her for the legal expenses that the State Legislature had to spend to defend their law. Impeach her.

Impeach that Federal Judge who overturned Arizona's immigration law. Impeach the Federal Judge who overturned Oklahoma's shariah banning iniative and the marriage constitutional amendment in California. IMPEACH THEM NOW.

For pete's sake, elected GOP, you were elected to defend our Republic and you're not doing your job. You will be replaced with someone who will.

Primary the spineless GOP. We can't wait any longer.

17 posted on 06/15/2011 6:21:42 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: StonyBurk

“When we allow judges to decide if Shariah /Islamic Law ought apply to Muslims “

What if the Muslims don’t want Sharia Law to apply to them. It’s always interesting to see Muslim students on campus playing soccer or cricket(if Pakastani) in the afternoon. At some point, they stop and several of them begin the ritual prayers while the rest stand around looking annoyed. It’s always a minority of students who pray.


18 posted on 06/15/2011 6:29:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Robert Drobot

Seems to me that applying Sharia law would be the state establishing a religion. Where are you, ACLU?


19 posted on 06/15/2011 7:16:21 AM PDT by NRA1995 ("In the [Mexican] border, we are asking, who are you?" President Calderon of Mexico)
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To: lmr
The precedence of the established law is that they can practice whatever they want in their respective communities to do to one another by whatever legal system they choose by sharia or Odens law or whatever voodoo priestess says but when dealing out side of their communities they have to follow the rule of our law as our constitution states which is something that sharia is trying to become the rule not the practice.
20 posted on 06/15/2011 8:43:30 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: lmr
Also what part of barbarism do you think is all right. What part don't we have in our legal system or what new aspects of problem solving can we gain or improve from the (WORD of G-D known as KORANIC LAW) The stated punishments in Sharia are from G-D. not from your lame legal scholars and humans. Female circumcision is a cultural thing only done by groups that want their breeders to not be sluts like kufir western women.
21 posted on 06/15/2011 8:59:56 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: bdfromlv; lmr
The precedence of the established law is that they can practice whatever they want in their respective communities to do to one another by whatever legal system they choose by sharia or Odens law or whatever voodoo priestess says but when dealing out side of their communities they have to follow the rule of our law as our constitution states which is something that sharia is trying to become the rule not the practice.

Except that the practice of a private "law" inside a community cannot violate state or federal law.
22 posted on 06/15/2011 9:02:57 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Islam declared war against the west in 628 ad and the US in 1776 by the Barbary pirates in and around Africa as in “From the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Corps Hymn. As the Ayatollah Khomeini said “There is no moderation in Islam only practicing Muslims and Kuffars”. The Koran is the word of G-d and it will be spread by the sword and Mohammad was the perfect man and example to live by. And lastly FOLLOW THE MONEY in the pockets of traitors is why we are having to live with them.
23 posted on 06/15/2011 9:14:05 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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