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Invincible, pride of the Falklands, is broken up in knacker's yard
Daily Mail ^ | 15th June 2011 | Commander John Muxworthy

Posted on 06/15/2011 7:37:48 AM PDT by george76

As senior Naval officers back First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope's criticisms of the ability of the Navy to fight in Libya, Commander John Muxworthy, who sailed to the Falklands with the Royal Navy Task Force, looks at the ignominious end of a symbol of the once-mighty British fleet.

The image is a poignant symbol of Britain’s rapid decline as a maritime power. With her metallic carcass exposed, the once mighty aircraft carrier HMS Invincible languishes in a Turkish port, being broken up for scrap. The ship was once the pride of the Royal Navy, a hero of the Falklands War and a veteran of other conflicts from Iraq to Yugoslavia.

But now, as Britain’s naval heritage is obliterated by an irresponsible Coalition Government, she faces an utterly degrading end.

What makes the image all the more shaming is how it reflects the profound concerns of First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope, who said this week that Britain’s defences will be at risk if the war in Libya drags on, because our naval fleet can operate there for only another 90 days before it has to make serious cuts in firepower elsewhere.

HMS Invincible, launched in 1977, may have been coming to the end of her life, though with a refit she could have stayed in service for years to come. But her demise is part of a wider pattern of brutal defence cuts that have left Britain dangerously vulnerable. When I joined the Navy in 1960, we had 12 aircraft carriers, along with 30 cruisers and 150 frigates and destroyers.

Today, we have just 19 frigates, no major warships, and a single aircraft carrier, Illustrious, which can carry only helicopters and has no deck for fixed wing-aircraft.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: argentina; falklands; gaddafi; invincible; libya; malvinas; navair; navalair; navy; turnerbroadcasting
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No wonder we can't even topple a tin-pot gangster like Gaddafi: Invincible, pride of the Falklands, is broken up in knacker's yard

1 posted on 06/15/2011 7:37:50 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

All the EU (in fact the entire free world including Latin America and Africa) need not spend a dime in having their own military.

They know that if the slightest thing happens against them militarily, the US Military will jump in, on the US taxpayers’ dime.


2 posted on 06/15/2011 7:42:53 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

Apart from all the US dimes and dollars that went into the collecting tins in the States for Irish terrorists to kill British soldiers.


3 posted on 06/15/2011 7:47:33 AM PDT by MadMitch (nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: george76
Sad.


4 posted on 06/15/2011 7:58:08 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 875 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: null and void

Sad.


5 posted on 06/15/2011 8:02:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: magslinger

FYI


6 posted on 06/15/2011 8:03:12 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: george76

Anyone know how much she was sold for scrap? We sink our carriers for artifical reefs..a far more fitting end..


7 posted on 06/15/2011 8:06:04 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: george76

In today’s British Navy, Horatio Hornblower and Jack Aubrey would be on permanent half pay...


8 posted on 06/15/2011 8:18:53 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: george76

They retired all their Harriers.

If they ever do get some F-35’s, what are they going to do with them?


9 posted on 06/15/2011 8:49:49 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: george76

The posters to the article are very creepy. They sound like they welcome the coming of Sharia law.


10 posted on 06/15/2011 8:51:15 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: ken5050
Not necessarily true. Witness the picture below. USS Cabot, CVL-28, last surviving ship of the Independence-class light carriers from WWII. Sold to Spain, and bought back by a group that attempted to make it into a museum (like Intrepid and Yorktown). Money wouldn't come through, so it was sold for scrap, towed to Brownsville, TX and cut up.


11 posted on 06/15/2011 8:55:28 AM PDT by fredhead (Liberals think globally, reason rectally, act idiotically.)
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To: freedumb2003

If you think Britain relies or has relied on your military, your ignorance is off the chart. I am sure 99% of your fellow Americans will think you are talking rot.


12 posted on 06/15/2011 9:22:18 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: george76
Rue Britannia! Britannia rues the waves ...
13 posted on 06/15/2011 9:23:03 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (They think "just because she's right on every damn issue doesn't give her enough credibility.")
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To: smokingfrog
If they ever do get some F-35’s, what are they going to do with them?

The first new carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth that is now under construction will be fitted with EMALS catapults and will be the first to handle F-35Cs. Current estimates are a 2019 entry into service

If it survives the budget cuts, her sister ship the HMS Prince of Wales will also be EMALS equipped.

There is also speculation that the second ship may be sold to France, and the UK and France will effectively merge their carrier operations, with F-35Cs and Rafales operating from both carriers.

If such an agreement is reached, the RN F-35Cs may first operate from the Charles de Gualle.

14 posted on 06/15/2011 9:31:40 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: NonValueAdded
♫ Rue Britannia! Britannia rues the waves ...

I believe that is Britannia rule the waves.

15 posted on 06/15/2011 9:33:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Thanks Yo.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 9:33:57 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: NonValueAdded
Actually, after looking it up it is

Rule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves.
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

I always thought the first line was "rue" as well.

17 posted on 06/15/2011 9:40:28 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: fredhead

Neat pic, thanks...Cabot was scrapped, along with hundreds of WW II ships, after the war. Oriskany, CV-34, was scuttled as an artificial reef in 2006.


18 posted on 06/15/2011 9:45:00 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Yo-Yo

not anymore.


19 posted on 06/15/2011 9:48:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (They think "just because she's right on every damn issue doesn't give her enough credibility.")
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To: Yo-Yo

My post was not a mistake. Rue, as in regret bitterly, feel sorrow over. Consider the context. No aircraft carriers, the British navy a shadow of its former self. Nope, time to refresh the lyrics. Britannia rues the waves.


20 posted on 06/15/2011 9:52:18 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (They think "just because she's right on every damn issue doesn't give her enough credibility.")
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To: NonValueAdded
Ah. Mea culpa and point well made.
21 posted on 06/15/2011 10:19:39 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ken5050

Preservation Attempts (1990-2002)It was designated as a National Historic Landmark on 29 June 1990.[2] The ship spent most of the 1990s tied to a dock in New Orleans. The private groups attempting to preserve her as a memorial were unable to pay creditors, so, on 10 September 1999, the ship was auctioned off by the U.S. Marshals Service to Sabe Marine Salvage. Its designation as a National Historic Landmark was withdrawn on 7 August 2001. Scrapping of the hulk was completed in 2002. Her island, a small stub of metal and glass, was preserved and is on exhibit at the National Naval Aviation Museum aboard NAS Pensacola in Florida since 2007, the last relic of over 100 light and escort carriers of World War II.


22 posted on 06/15/2011 11:40:06 AM PDT by fredhead (Liberals think globally, reason rectally, act idiotically.)
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To: the scotsman
If you think Britain relies or has relied on your military, your ignorance is off the chart. I am sure 99% of your fellow Americans will think you are talking rot.

You left off the </sarc> tag.

The EU, and GB military has been a paper tiger for years. You implicitly but completely rely on U.S. Military might to keep you from being overrun (by whom is a different thread).

The plain text of the article speaks to the issue.

OR, you can start spending the % of GDP on the military the US does. Or even a teeny tiny fraction thereof.

23 posted on 06/15/2011 11:50:50 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: smokingfrog

>>If they ever do get some F-35’s, what are they going to do with them?<<

Use them as multi-million dollar paperweights. You roll them onto the tarmac and they can hold down a ream or so.

That is certainly what the US will do, assuming any can possibly be actually deployed given the massive mission creep they have experienced.


24 posted on 06/15/2011 11:53:57 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: fredhead
Many thanks..I checked the CV list..it just said that Cabot was scrapped.

Is there a website for the NNAM at Pensacola..like to see a pic of the restored bridge..

25 posted on 06/15/2011 12:12:06 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: null and void

Man they aren’t fooling around there. She’s only been in the breakers yard since April from what I could find.


26 posted on 06/15/2011 2:13:55 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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27 posted on 06/15/2011 2:16:14 PM PDT by magslinger (Zombies make up much of the Democrat's base.)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Tearing something apart goes ten times the speed of building it.

Check this country’s economy for the econ version of that theorem.


28 posted on 06/15/2011 2:34:22 PM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((584 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: freedumb2003

‘The EU, and GB military has been a paper tiger for years.’

Britain has the fourth highest military spending in the world. You confuse dilution of British power (due to end of empire, military cuts and other financial and political reasons) with us being a paper tiger. Britain may not have the military power it once had, but we still punch well above our military weight and to say we are a paper tiger reliant on America is a nonsense and hyperbole.

How can we be a paper tiger when we are your biggest ally, be it the Gulf, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia?. Think of the men and machines brought to bear in those conflicts. Second only to the US. Were we a paper tiger needing US help in 1982?.

And in 2011, who is leading the NATO op in Libya?. Who has just sent five more ships there?. Who has a Royal Navy Cougar Taskforce sitting in the Eastern Med waiting to reinforce that operation?.

‘You implicitly but completely rely on U.S. Military might to keep you from being overrun (by whom is a different thread).’

Drivel. Take every last US plane and soldier out of Britain tonight and we can defend ourselves perfectly fine. And neither are we reliant on American support for any operation beyond our borders. Another myth, once held even by too many British, let alone Americans. Dont get me wrong, I am happy when you are at our side in war, but dont think we actually ‘need’ you in that way.

And I will give the tiresome and woefully ignorant allusion to dhimmitude the contempt it deserves.

You seem to have a lack of knowledge of what Britain can still bring to the military table, if I am being frank.


29 posted on 06/15/2011 2:50:39 PM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: freedumb2003
I know many Americans have this bee in their bonnet about subsidising the defences of Europe (and in fact, the rest of the free world too) Such is the burden of being the only world superpower.

However, I don't think its really fair to lump the UK in with the rest of the EU so dismissively. Over the decades since WW2 our defence spending, % of GDP, while not as great as that of the US, has certainly been substantially higher than that of any of the other European powers, and we have consistently used our armed forces in conjunction with, and in support of, the US far more than any of them.

30 posted on 06/15/2011 2:53:41 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: george76

Sad to see a proud fighting ship end up like that.

Mike


31 posted on 06/16/2011 7:47:32 PM PDT by doublecansiter (without cartridge, load in nine times, LOAD!)
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To: Yo-Yo

We can always sell them CV-67 as a stopgap. I’m sure it can handle Harriers. :-)


32 posted on 06/16/2011 9:26:06 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: george76

Various posters are making interesting comments. From a little Internet searching I find that in 2011, the U.K.’s defense spending (total) is running almost 2.96% of GDP, and in 1985 it was running almost 5.28% of GDP.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/downchart_ukgs.php?chart=30-total&view=1&year=&state=UK

Other, sources give slightly lower figures, for example, Wikipedia shows the U.K. in 2010 at 2.7% of the 2009 GDP, while the U.S. is currently at 4.7%.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

This source shows the UK at 2.5%...

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/Organisation/KeyFactsAboutDefence/DefenceSpending.htm

However, there may be another way to look at it. I enjoy alternate history and speculation now and then, so, let’s assume:

The UK, in 2011, for whatever reasons, decides it needs to install a gov’t to its liking in Libya. It has minimal to no assistance from the U.S. or other NATO allies.

Libya never unloaded it’s WMD’s. (Dubya didn’t scare them enough in 2002-2003, perhaps?) Perhaps it will use them through 3rd parties.

At the same time, Argentina sees it’s new chance in the Falklands. And, the Scottish National Party (now a majority in Scotland) pushes through legislation for a referendum on Independence from the UK.

How does this play out? Obviously, the UK “can” defeat Libya and Argentina at the same time. But will it? What happens to UK support of the US in other places? What is the cost to the UK? And will some additional party take advantage of the situation?


33 posted on 06/16/2011 10:02:28 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

Alternately, one can speculate that Libya did not actually turn over ALL it’s WMD’s...


34 posted on 06/16/2011 10:07:21 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

We are after all sort of looking at the argument, “Where would the UK be without the US?”


35 posted on 06/16/2011 10:08:44 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: gura
We can always sell them CV-67 as a stopgap. I’m sure it can handle Harriers. :-)

I'm sure it can. But the problem is that GB already decommissioned all of their Harriers as well. :-(

36 posted on 06/17/2011 4:14:21 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: the scotsman
Right said, Scotsman! You folk seem to have much against you, especially from within your own government (correct me if I am wrong, please), but the indomitable spirit you folks have always demonstrated persists.

My prayers are with you, my cousins across the pond.

37 posted on 06/18/2011 12:51:05 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Ma'am, that is not a seizure. That is a dance move.)
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To: 60Gunner

Thank you.

And America and Americans are a great country and peoples and will survive four years of Obama.


38 posted on 06/18/2011 3:30:00 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

Thank you for the encouraging word. Please God, let it be so.


39 posted on 06/19/2011 1:29:24 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Ma'am, that is not a seizure. That is a dance move.)
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To: the scotsman

Thank you for the encouraging word. Please God, let it be so.


40 posted on 06/19/2011 1:29:36 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Ma'am, that is not a seizure. That is a dance move.)
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