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Blood On Their Hands: Giving Guns to Criminals Was the Plan All Along
Townhall.com ^ | June 15, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 06/15/2011 11:47:12 AM PDT by Kaslin

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.” –Special Agent John Dodson ATF Phoenix Field Division.

Damning new evidence from Capitol Hill shows that ATF Directors and Justice Department Officials knew about and encouraged the purposeful trafficking of thousands of weapons across the southern border, despite strong objections from ATF agents. Thousands of innocent lives were taken as the result, including those of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jamie Zapata.

New emails released by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa show that ATF Director Kenneth Melson was briefed weekly about Operation Fast and Furious and watched a live feed of straw purchasers (who serve as middle men, purchasing guns and giving them to cartel members) in Arizona gun shops from his cozy Washington D.C. office. Emails also show that Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations William McMahon was enthusiastic about the operation.

“An e-mail from April 12, 2010, indicates that Acting Director Melson was very much in the weeds with Operation Fast and Furious. After a detailed briefing of the program by the ATF Phoenix Field Division, Acting Director Melson had a plethora of follow-up questions that required additional research to answer. As the document indicates, Mr. Melson was interested in the IP Address for hidden cameras located inside cooperating gun shops. With this information, Acting Director Melson was able to sit at his desk in Washington and – himself – watch a live feed of the straw buyers entering the gun stores to purchase dozens of AK-47 variants,” Chairman Issa said in his opening statement.

Senator Charles Grassley, who has been working closely with Rep. Issa, pointed out that officials from the Justice Department have been stonewalling the investigation for months. Attorney General Eric Holder has said he is unaware of who ordered the operation.

“On October 26, 2009, emails indicate that there was a meeting of senior law enforcement officials at the Justice Department. It appears to have included the heads every law enforcement component of the Department, including directors of the FBI, the DEA and the ATF. It also included the U.S. Attorneys for all the Southwest border states, the Director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force and the Chair of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee,” Grassley testified.

Emails also show that ATF encouraged gun dealers to sell to straw buyers, in spite of their own hesitance to do so.

"ATF encouraged gun dealers to sell to straw buyers. Emails prove that at least one dealer worried prophetically about the risk. He [a dealer] wrote to ATF about his concern that a border patrol agent might end up facing the wrong end of one of these guns. ATF supervisors told the dealer not to worry. So, the agents said it was a bad idea. And, the gun dealers said it was a bad idea, but ATF supervisors continued anyway", Grassley said.

Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was that agent. He was killed by cartel member 18 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border near Rio Rico, Ariz. Agent Terry was a fighter-a former Marine who was willing to put everything he had, including his life, on the line for his country. He was dedicated to his job, his family and the United States.

“It was just ten days before Christmas last year, when our family received the devastating news; Brian had been shot and killed while engaged in a firefight with a group of individuals seeking to do harm to Americans citizens and others,” said Robert Heyer, the cousin of Terry, testifying on behalf of the entire Terry family. “Brian did ultimately come home that Christmas; we buried him not far from the house that he was raised in just prior to Christmas day. The gifts that Brian had picked out with such thought and care began to arrive in the mail that same week. With each delivery, we felt the indescribable pain of Brian’s death, but at the same time also remembered his amazing love and spirit.”

ICE Agent Jamie Zapata was killed in Mexico in February 2011 while on assignment. He was killed by a gun traced back to Operation Fast and Furious, however, Zapata’s family will never see justice. Once guns flow back into Mexico, they are no longer within the jurisdiction of the United States, leaving the government without any authority to prosecute anyone for any crime.

Three Special ATF Agents gave additional incriminating testimony. ATF Agent Dodson, one of the first whistleblowers to come out publicly against Operation Fast and Furious, provided details about the failed operation.

“I was involved in this operation, we monitored as they purchased hand guns, AK-47 variants, and .50 caliber rifles almost daily. Rather than contradict any enforcement actions, we took notes, we recorded observations, we tracked movements of these individuals for a short time after their purchases, but nothing more. Knowing all the while, just days after these purchases, the guns that we saw these individuals buy would begin turning up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico, we still did nothing,” Dodson said. “Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.”

And there still isn’t an explanation as to why.

“Allowing firearms to be trafficked to criminals is a dangerous and deadly strategy. The thought that the techniques used in the “Fast and Furious” investigation would result in “taking down a cartel” given the toothless nature of the “straw purchasing law” and the lack of a “firearms trafficking statute” is, in my opinion, delusional,” Special Agent Peter Forcelli said. “This operation, which in my opinion endangered the American public, was orchestrated in conjunction with Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley. [Emory Hurley is the same Assistant U.S. Attorney who previously prevented agents from using some of the common and accepted law enforcement techniques that are employed elsewhere in the United States to investigate and prosecute gun crimes.] I have read documents that indicate that his boss, U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, also agreed with the direction of the case.”

There is no way to prosecute drug cartels in Mexico even if firearms trafficking had been successful in locating them. They are not within United States jurisdiction.

“I can’t think of a single, logical strategy as to why this would have worked,” Forcelli said. “This was a catastrophic disaster.”

According to testimony, it has become common practice for retaliation to occur against ATF Agents who spoke out against their supervisor's corruption, even when operations had no logical backing.

Forcelli also added that while the ATF was ordering gun dealers to sell to straw buyers under surveillance, gun dealers were taking the heat for it, and being held responsible for violence in Mexico. He stressed gun dealers were not the problem. In fact gun dealers were helpful in pursuing cases against cartel members, making it blatantly clear law abiding gun owners are not at fault, but the government is.

Issa said he will continue to investigate in order to find the truth and get to the bottom of the operatation. The government owes the truth to the American people and to the family of Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata, he explained. “There has now become a focus on getting the truth out.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfe; batfeisajoke; bootthebatfe; brianterry; corruption; democratcorruption; democrats; doj; dojisajoke; fastandfurious; fraud; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunwalker; holder; mythof90percent; obama; tyranny
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1 posted on 06/15/2011 11:47:16 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

One of the things that bothers me the most is the description of “an operation turned tragic”. They knew damn well that someone would die. They counted on it as a means of attacking our 2nd amendment rights.

They just didn’t expect the deaths to lead back to government.


2 posted on 06/15/2011 11:51:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Kaslin

Simple: more backdoor gun control like Dr’s asking about guns in Øbamocare

pos-holder is trying everything


3 posted on 06/15/2011 11:51:56 AM PDT by bicyclerepair ( Ft. Lauderdale Florida)
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To: Kaslin

Somebody, or several somebodies, need to swing for this.


4 posted on 06/15/2011 11:53:37 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: Kaslin
The REAL target: Lawful American gun owners and dealers.

5 posted on 06/15/2011 11:53:46 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Kaslin
It's official, the fecal matter has hit the rotating blades.
6 posted on 06/15/2011 11:54:26 AM PDT by JPG (Hey, LSM, how are those emails workin' out for ya?)
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To: Kaslin

Completely disagreed!! The plan was to use the chaos/mayhem produced by giving guns to criminals as the platform to pass new gun laws. In a nutshell it was about further erosion of our 2nd A rights. Its no more complex than that.


7 posted on 06/15/2011 11:54:26 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Kaslin
“I can’t think of a single, logical strategy as to why this would have worked,” Forcelli said. “This was a catastrophic disaster.”

Think outside the box.

We the People weren't supposed to know, so the Domestic Enemies in DC could then use the carnage as an pretense to enact anti-2nd Amendment legislation.

Disarm the Peasants for the coming chaos.

8 posted on 06/15/2011 11:55:18 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Kaslin

So with all this out in the open, is there *any* reason to keep the ATF around?


9 posted on 06/15/2011 11:56:02 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: bicyclerepair

Wasn’t Obama quoted recently telling an audience of co-conspirators something to the effect that his regime was “doing things below the radar” to advance the anti-gun agenda?


10 posted on 06/15/2011 11:57:27 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
As another FReeper pointed out on another thread yesterday, while the BATFE and DOJ have been stonewalling every attempt to get to the bottom of this corrupt enterprise, they were able, in record time, to provide Schumer, Feinstein and Whitehouse all the BS they required for their newly-published report on "HALTING U.S. FIREARMS TRAFFICKING TO MEXICO".

The agenda is crystal clear to anyone who's paying attention.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

11 posted on 06/15/2011 11:57:35 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: cripplecreek

I think it is actually worse than just wanting to enact more restrictive gun laws. I believe somebody high up in government(Holder and Obama??) were getting kickbacks from the cartels for the ‘free guns’.

The dems just want us to look at this as a legislative gimmick and while that may be an added benefit to the commie dems...there is very big money in helping the cartels. They hand out money to politicians all the time. Go look at how many dem mayors and sheriffs there are along the border and up along the major drug running corridors through the US...you will be surprised.


12 posted on 06/15/2011 11:59:43 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Kaslin
Forcelli also added that while the ATF was ordering gun dealers to sell to straw buyers under surveillance, gun dealers were taking the heat for it, and being held responsible for violence in Mexico.

And that's exactly what this was all about: An attack on the 2nd Amendment and law abiding gun owners and dealers.

13 posted on 06/15/2011 12:00:00 PM PDT by piytar (Obama's Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: Soothesayer9
So with all this out in the open, is there *any* reason to keep the ATF around?

IMHO ... this goes to the decision makers (at the TOP) not the guys on the line.

14 posted on 06/15/2011 12:00:40 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Soothesayer9

Excellent point


15 posted on 06/15/2011 12:02:30 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin; Joe Brower

This scandal is a million times worse than Watergate, and the MSM ignores it.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 12:05:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: Joe Brower

ping to some interesting info that may be related:

‘Obama Donors Get Top DOJ Jobs’

“Among the more alarming examples listed in the investigative piece involves the DOJ, the agency that enforces the law, ensures public safety against foreign or domestic threats and defends the nation’s interests. Obama appointed seven campaign bundlers to the DOJ, including Attorney General Eric Holder who raised $50,000 in 2008.

A George Washington University law professor (Spencer Overton) who bundled at least half a million dollars was appointed principal deputy attorney general in the DOJ’s Office of Legal Policy. Five other donors also landed jobs at the agency, including a Harvard buddy of Obama’s who got the No. 3 DOJ policy job and a Georgia bond lawyer who became a deputy associate attorney general.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2735170/posts

Bundling Mexican cartel money by chance? Pay attention to this folks. It may go deeper than just trying to use this to pass restrictive gun laws. Lots of cartel money makes it’s way into the hands of democrat politicians.

No doubt the cartels really appreciated all the guns and got to get them without worry of arrest or seizure because the agents were told to not follow the purchasers from the strawman purchasers/handlers. How convenient.


17 posted on 06/15/2011 12:11:05 PM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Travis McGee
knowing which side the bread is buttered on and by whom always trumps the truth from the leftist media ... imho
18 posted on 06/15/2011 12:11:07 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: 556x45
I agree with your statement,and would like to point out that pouring gas on an already volitile situation,is what community organizers do to gain control.
19 posted on 06/15/2011 12:15:52 PM PDT by hwkbeer (I will pursue my enemy and not stop till I consume him.)
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To: Kaslin

Color me shocked. Not.


20 posted on 06/15/2011 12:23:14 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 875 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree with you, it was to attack the 2nd and shut down lots of gun sellers cause......I figure the sellers of the straw sales they were forced to do would be shut down also cause the government lies. Then go after other sellers cause they are responsible for all the border deaths....ATF etc. departments are all corrupt to the core..


21 posted on 06/15/2011 12:23:14 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Kaslin

The large number of guns sold is the smoking gun. (no pun intended).

If they had really wanted to just trace how the guns were used, only a handful would have been involved.

The fact that the number is in the thousands clearly shows the intent. They wanted a weapon (no pun intended again) to use against against gun owners.

That in fact is what did happen. The media kept talking about U.S. guns being responsible for crime in Mexico. Suddenly the media has almost completely quit pushing that story.

I wonder why?


22 posted on 06/15/2011 12:23:51 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Kaslin

Felony Murder doctrine. Maybe if there were whores involved we’d be hearing about this in the regular media.


23 posted on 06/15/2011 12:25:35 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Travis McGee
Worth repeating:

This scandal is a million times worse than Watergate, and the MSM ignores it.

It's good to be a democrat...

24 posted on 06/15/2011 12:26:01 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 875 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: BitWielder1

>>The REAL target: Lawful American gun owners and dealers<<

Wow....just wow!

Is this America?


25 posted on 06/15/2011 12:29:25 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Joe Brower

Of course it’s crystal clear. The problem is that most of the sheeple don’t have a clue what’s going on, and the rest know there’s not much way we can make things change in the present atmosphere.


26 posted on 06/15/2011 12:30:19 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Travis McGee
"This scandal is a million times worse than Watergate, and the MSM ignores it."

Travis, Travis, we peons must surely understand by now, it's not wrong when they do it.

27 posted on 06/15/2011 12:30:48 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: goat granny

I know the legitimate dealers were told to order more when they ran out.


28 posted on 06/15/2011 12:32:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Kaslin
New emails released by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa show that ATF Director Kenneth Melson was briefed weekly about Operation Fast and Furious and watched a live feed of straw purchasers (who serve as middle men, purchasing guns and giving them to cartel members) in Arizona gun shops from his cozy Washington D.C. office.

This man needs to be up on charges of Capital Murder.

29 posted on 06/15/2011 12:34:39 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kaslin

Of course it was.It was planned so that they could prove their claims of US guns making thier way to the drug cartels even if that wasn’t true.


30 posted on 06/15/2011 12:36:14 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Travis McGee

As I recall no one died with watergate several people we know of have died due to this...how many we may never know? Obama and Holder have blood on their hands.


31 posted on 06/15/2011 12:38:53 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Kaslin

Do we have information on WHEN this was implemented? Was it hussein’s regime that started this....or before?


32 posted on 06/15/2011 12:51:54 PM PDT by battletank
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To: Joe Brower

Hang ‘em High!!


33 posted on 06/15/2011 1:20:55 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Kaslin

This was NOT an attempt to control the smuggling of guns to the failed nation state of Mexico.

This was an attempt by the Obama junta to get gun control back on the front burner & to energize the party to pass laws to make owning semi auto firearms a major felony and to plant in the minds of the non gun owning public that gun owners are the moral equivalent of cartel gun men.

Did the bastards in Washington D.C. know that people were gonna die ? Absolutely they are known to have basically bragged about what the effects of the operation were in Mexico & gloating about it . HEADS NEED TO ROLL !!!

Sadly however the guilty will walk because they are Federal LEO’s.


34 posted on 06/15/2011 1:29:48 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: JPG

Not yet & I doubt that it will simply because the folks in Washington D.C. will never be held accountable either in this country or Mexico . Americans have been murdered with the able assistance of federal law enforcement & the folks involved will get away with it .


35 posted on 06/15/2011 1:33:13 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Kaslin

bfl


36 posted on 06/15/2011 2:09:44 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: null and void
“This scandal is a million times worse than Watergate, and the MSM ignores it.”

Anytime a Weinergate type scandal exists, it means that something is probably happening to contribute to the destruction of America. Just like Clinton/Monica scandal helped hide the selling out to China.

37 posted on 06/15/2011 2:41:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Joe Brower
As another FReeper pointed out on another thread yesterday...they were able, in record time, to provide Schumer, Feinstein and Whitehouse all the BS they required for their newly-published report...
I'll blow my own horn on that.

Once guns flow back into Mexico, they are no longer within the jurisdiction of the United States, leaving the government without any authority to prosecute anyone for any crime.
Yet throughout all of this the administration says this was allowed to happen so they could get at cartel kingpins.
This is what bugs me the most in all of this. This is all supposed to go back to the Merida Initiative and Fast and Furious seems to have been part of a new process launched by President Obama and President Calderon in August 2009 given the timelines.

So where does the BATF claim it gets its legal authority (which law) to arrest any "cartel kingpin" in Mexico as they claim their ultimate goal was?
And "who knew what and when" becomes glaring when you know that ...Operation Fast and Furious, started...in the fall of 2009.
And yet everybody is Sgt. Schultz...they know nothing.
No way is this passing the smell test.

That might not be the most well written thing I've ever replied with and I hope you get my gist.

38 posted on 06/15/2011 3:24:17 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bicyclerepair

Yep, they are arming the thugs and disarming us. IT was not an experiment, it was a another pilot test for a wider program of extermination of the free in America.


39 posted on 06/15/2011 3:28:28 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: penelopesire

Many large banks make tons and tons of money from drug cartels, laundering it. And they in turn “donate” money to politicians. That’s why they like the phony drug war that doesn’t stop drugs, but keeps the prices nice and high.


40 posted on 06/15/2011 3:34:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: BitWielder1

From the horse’s mouth:

According to testimony, it has become common practice for retaliation to occur against ATF Agents who spoke out against their supervisor’s corruption, even when operations had no logical backing. “

OH, it was very logical alright, from a communist lusty piece of crap Obama view, as the following explains...

Forcelli also added that while the ATF was ordering gun dealers to sell to straw buyers under surveillance, gun dealers were taking the heat for it, and being held responsible for violence in Mexico. He stressed gun dealers were not the problem. In fact gun dealers were helpful in pursuing cases against cartel members, making it blatantly clear law abiding gun owners are not at fault, but the government is.

That’s it , blame America, blame American guns, blame free Americans with guns etc...


41 posted on 06/15/2011 3:37:01 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: BitWielder1

... and nothing like making for a corrupt, idiotic and decompetenting childlish thuggish government to destroy US legitimacy and leadership in the world.


42 posted on 06/15/2011 3:38:29 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe Homeland Security can get in on the act - they could go down with the TSA and pat down grandmothers going grocery shopping... It won’t do a damn thing about the gun issue, but lots of liberals will feel good about themselves.


43 posted on 06/15/2011 3:41:35 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: yarddog
The fact that the number is in the thousands clearly shows the intent. They wanted a weapon (no pun intended again) to use against against gun owners.

It's starting to feel like we're living in the old USSR... or some other thuggy totalitarian state... how did all of this happen?

44 posted on 06/15/2011 3:44:39 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: cripplecreek

Couldn’t agree more.

This, and the statement “we can absorb another terrorist attack”, proves beyond all doubt that the LAST thing our leadership gives a damn about is the American people.

In fact, their policies support the fact that they are actively working to bring about our financial and physical demise.


45 posted on 06/15/2011 3:45:25 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com Boehner must go)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. They were so arrogant that they thought that no one would trace it back to them or if it were traced back to them, they would be shielded by a Rat controlled House, Senate, and WH.


46 posted on 06/15/2011 3:49:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Kaslin

How come honest Americans have to jump over numerous, very costly regulatory hurdles annually in order to own & carry guns but VIOLENT, FOREIGN CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS are eagerly getting flooded with US govt-subsidized guns for a “study” of criminal activity? The balance sheet does not look good for the “GOOD” guys — peaceful Americans!


47 posted on 06/15/2011 4:01:56 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: little jeremiah

It sure looks that way.


48 posted on 06/15/2011 4:03:29 PM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: null and void

This would be a 24/7 story if Bush were still in power.


49 posted on 06/15/2011 4:51:44 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: GOPJ

This stuff has been going on for at least 90 years. It just now reached the tipping point or maybe the point of no return.

At least that is what the leftists think. 40 years ago, I would never in my wildest dreams have thought the U.S. would elect a person with the character of Obama, or re-elect someone like Clinton.

Well maybe I am wrong. Now that I think about it, LBJ was nearly as bad. Of course no one knew what he really was like until he was President.


50 posted on 06/15/2011 5:27:03 PM PDT by yarddog
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