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Issa: Dems trying to obstruct "gunwalking" probe
CBS News ^ | June 15, 2011 | NA

Posted on 06/15/2011 12:08:50 PM PDT by neverdem

In riveting testimony on Capitol Hill Tuesday, one federal agent stated simply, "Someone was going to die."

And a federal agent did - from guns supplied in the so-called "gunwalking" scandal that CBS News first reported.

Those hearings, involving the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), were to resume Wednesday.

CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson - who broke the story in February - reported on "The Early Show" Wednesday that three sitting ATF special agents who helped blow the whistle on the controversial operation were slated to be the first to testify at Wednesday's session.

Congress starting ATF "gunwalker scandal" probe

It's been three months since ATF Special Agent John Dodson first told CBS News that his own agency let thousands of weapons "walk" onto the streets - many of those guns made their way into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

Dodson told CBS News, "I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix telling ya we've been doing it every day since I've been here. Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it, you have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now - tell me it didn't happen."

Since then, Congressional investigators have interviewed Dodson and other ATF agents and Phoenix-area gun dealers - who claim ATF urged them to sell to suspicious characters - a strategy apparently aimed to get at cartel kingpins behind the escalating drug violence in Mexico.

Issa subpoenas ATF over gunwalking allegations
ATF agent cooperates in gunwalking investigation
Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

U.S. security expert Mike Balboni told CBS News, "The people you want to get to are the people who are able to coordinate and finance these types of operations. They're the folks who will stay around. If you take them, you really, it's basically, you want to take out a terror agency? Strike at the head of the snake."

Whatever the intentions, many insiders claim the gun-walking was wildly dangerous and irresponsible.

Last night, congressional investigators released a lengthy narrative of the allegations, pulling from documents and testimony collected behind closed doors since the first CBS News first report.

The congressional report claims there was a "shift in strategy" in the fall of 2009 that led to the gun-walking and "was known and authorized at the highest levels of the Justice Department."

CBS News has learned that one ATF official told investigators the direction came in a memo issued by then Deputy Attorney General David Ogden. But Ogden told CBS News his memo made no specific mention of gun-walking, and that he didn't advocate or know about it. Ogden left the Department of Justice in February of last year, just a few months into the controversial operation.

President Obama has said neither he nor his top Justice Department official approved it, either.

Mr. Obama said, "Well, first of all, I did not authorize it. Uh, Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. There may be a situation here (in) which a serious mistake was made, and if that's the case, then we'll find out and we'll hold somebody accountable."

The congressional report states that, less than two months into the operation, agents "believed there was already enough information to arrest the ... purchasers, try to flip them, and begin working up the chain with an eye toward the 'bigger fish' in the cartels."

But instead, Attkisson reported, ATF allowed suspects to continue buying and transferring assault weapons - sometimes 40 at a time - for more than a year. All the while, ATF collected reports of the guns turning up at cartel crime scenes in Mexico and the U.S.

On "The Early Show" Wednesday, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, which is holding the hearing in this case, called the ATF operation a "failed program from the planning on."

Issa said the Department of Justice (DOJ) and ATF have not been forthcoming about the case, until very recently.

"They've really stonewalled this," he said. "They used the minority (members of) the committee to try to obstruct it. What's beginning to happen is somebody must have figured out this investigation can't end until, at the highest level, including the president, they say, 'This is not a may-have-been. ... This is a bad practice,' and this has to, we have to have assurances this will never happen again."

Co-anchor Erica Hill noted that the DOJ and ATF are expressing concern that, if they disclose certain information, it could perhaps compromise other investigations, specifically perhaps even the trial of the trafficker accused of buying guns, which were found at the sight of the killing of border patrol agent Brian Terry.

On Monday, Rep. Elijah Cummings wrote to Issa saying that the committee should pursue its investigation in a responsible way that does not compromise DOJ's criminal investigation.

But Issa said the letter shows how the Democrats are trying to obstruct the investigation on behalf of the president and his administration.

Issa said, "They may not realize how absurd it is to say that we're obstructing. Understand, a man was killed, Brian Terry. He was killed with guns that were, in fact, supplied by the government. That doesn't change the trial of the murder. The trial of the murder will have no bearing. It doesn't matter where he got the gun from. He's a murderer."

Issa continued, "What we have to ask is why is it the president says something may have gone wrong, and months go by and they're not saying somebody at the highest levels, the levels in which this was funded, coordinated and authorized; nobody has lost their job. There's been no looking at Justice. There's only been pushing it down and saying, 'Well, you know, this was a rogue operation.' It wasn't a rogue operation. The people they want to accuse of being rogues are the people who came forward including today's witnesses, who are going to say this was wrong and we've got the proof we kept saying it was wrong, while the (authorities) kept pushing this investigation."

Hill asked if Issa ultimately wants "heads to roll" following an investigation.

She said, "You want someone to take responsibility, is that correct?"

Issa said the Terry's family deserves a full understanding of how their family member was killed.

He added, "Beyond that, what we need to know, and they need to know is that this won't happen again. If there's been judgment this bad, this obviously bad - this is beyond Iran-Contra stupid - because they didn't even have a safeguard planned in this. If they do not say, 'These people had this bad judgment, they no longer work in an area in which they can apply that kind of bad judgment,' then no, we can't let go."

"This is one of those opportunities for the administration to lead and say, 'Look, we're going to get anyone who is involved in authorizing this, if their judgment is involved ' - which it would have been and it was bad judgment, 'they can't do this job anymore,"' Issa said. "That's all we're asking. We're asking to make sure this doesn't happen again and (Terry's) family deserves that, too."


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1 posted on 06/15/2011 12:08:54 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
ISSASPOCK
2 posted on 06/15/2011 12:11:02 PM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: neverdem

The Administration can’t come down on these people very hard because it would lead right back to them. I believe this all came from the top.


3 posted on 06/15/2011 12:12:11 PM PDT by RC2
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To: neverdem

CBS first reported? Really?


4 posted on 06/15/2011 12:12:15 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

They didnt...they were late to the party but beat out the rest of the MSM.


5 posted on 06/15/2011 12:15:03 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: neverdem
I watched a good portion of the hearing. What's most telling is how Dems aren't really willing to defend the DOJ. Cummings, the ranking member..is putting up a front, but you can tell his hearts really isn't in it..I think he knows that it's all gonna end badly fro the DOJ, and Cumming won't waste his ammo.

BTW, Jason Chafetz was awesome questioning the AAJ...a real slimeball..I hope he runs against Hatch..

6 posted on 06/15/2011 12:19:04 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower
"CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson - who broke the story in February..."

Bull Crap! David Codrea and Mike Vanderbough had been writing about it for the last year. Let's fix it:

"CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson - who FINALLY broke the story IN THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA in February..."

7 posted on 06/15/2011 12:20:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: saganite
CBS first reported? Really?

I saw that as well and had to laugh. It was reported long before that by blogs and here on FR. It's only recently, and because of the efforts of Grassley and Issa, that the MSM has reluctantly picked up on it.

8 posted on 06/15/2011 12:21:09 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: ken5050

How long before David Ogden is thrown under the bus? Maybe there will be a teaching job waiting for him. Or MSNBC anchor.


9 posted on 06/15/2011 12:22:09 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin, the only candidate to be vetted by the NY Times, the Washington Post and NBC.)
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To: 556x45

At least they are reporting it now. ABC carried it on radio news as well.


10 posted on 06/15/2011 12:22:23 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: RC2

“This is one of those opportunities for the administration to lead and say, ‘Look, we’re going to get anyone who is involved in authorizing this, if their judgment is involved ‘ - which it would have been and it was bad judgment, ‘they can’t do this job anymore,”’ Issa said. “That’s all we’re asking. We’re asking to make sure this doesn’t happen again and (Terry’s) family deserves that, too.”

Anyone who knew about this and did nothing to stop it should be arrested and charged as an accessory to the murder of the border guard.

The stench coming from mac,the liar, daddies administration of f-up, liars, traiors, cheats and all around morons is over powering. They are corrupt all the way to the bone with no redeming qualities.


11 posted on 06/15/2011 12:22:30 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
Gun Walker Special - This is finally breaking on radio news, 770 AM, WABC in NY City, last night and today! One report used a segment with Grassley. Issa sounds as serious as a heart attack at the end of the story from CBS News.

Justice Department Accused of ‘Reckless Technique’ NY Times buried it on page A20.

Report describes gun agents' 'state of panic' (Gun Walker) LA Times

'Gunwalker' subpoena dispute escalates

Report: Four ATF Agents Working on Controversial Operation ‘Fast and Furious’ Tell their Story

Agents resisted gun tracking effort Wall Street Journal webpage - It bombed on me before I finished reading it. I haven't tried it again.

12 posted on 06/15/2011 12:45:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

DON’T YOU PEOPLE GET IT?! A CONGRESSMAN SENT PICTURES OF HIS CROTCH TO SOMEONE!!!!!!

(Look for the Regime to out someone else in politics as a new distraction from their corruption and dismantling of America)

At least no one is talking about COLB anymore...


13 posted on 06/15/2011 12:45:29 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: sneakers

bump


14 posted on 06/15/2011 12:55:58 PM PDT by sneakers ("Obama is like the dog that chased a car and caught it. Now he doesn't know what to do with it.")
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To: FrankR
I know its been said but I'll say it again. This was an operation to blame killings and shootings in Mexico and here on “irresponsible” gun dealers and the lack of “sensible” gun control.

I want to see the timeline. The administration was conferring with the Mexican govt’ on ways to keep guns from coming from the US to Mexico. Including, if I remember, putting onerious restrictions on dealers close to the border.

THIS WAS NOTHING MORE THAN AN BACKDOOR WAY TO EVENTUALLY BAN GUNSALES IN THE BORDER STATES!!!

F’in Treasonous bastards

15 posted on 06/15/2011 12:58:24 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: neverdem

“Whatever the intentions...”

The point is that the most plausible intentions were a treasonous conspiracy to plant phony crime-scene evidence to justify infringing second amendment rights of citizens.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 1:17:35 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: neverdem
Mr. Obama said, "Well, first of all, I did not authorize it. Uh, Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. There may be a situation here (in) which a serious mistake was made, and if that's the case, then we'll find out and we'll hold somebody accountable."

Just my sense; this issue is on par with the Delta Force action on Waco TX. Clinton had to authorize that action as did the Obozo on this. Underlings, even the AG, don't do things like this without the president's approval.

17 posted on 06/15/2011 1:18:22 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: saleman
Absolutely correct - Gunrunner was a plan to get guns bought in American gun stores in the hands of violent Drug Cartels to to manufacture a pretext for implementing the Obama administration's parallel agenda using executive administration power to further it's gun control agenda.

It's all part of Obama’s behind the scenes work to by pass Congress and weave a regulatory web of new gun control provisions.

18 posted on 06/15/2011 1:20:22 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: saganite; 556x45; bcsco
Actually, this story was all over the blogosphere for weeks before that lady reporter from CBS, Sharyl Attkisson, first mentioned it. I expected her to get fired, but no, she had a new article just today, IIRC.

David Codrea and Mike Vanderbough of the Sipsy Street Irregulars were the first to break open this can of worms. I hope they're wearing their body armor.

19 posted on 06/15/2011 1:32:58 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
FWIW, Issa's comments to Brian Terry's widow don't exactly wow me.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

20 posted on 06/15/2011 1:34:51 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

Issa is not someone we can trust...this is to blatant not to hold these hearings...and what will come of these hearings...kinda like those hearings on Waco...not one effin thing came of them......


21 posted on 06/15/2011 2:20:05 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: shield
"kinda like those hearings on Waco...not one effin thing came of them......

That's a rog, and something I've been saying since this whole Sturm und Drang started. If the Fed's attack dogs got off scott-free after slaughtering 80 civilians in cold blood, this is a cakewalk.

I hate saying it, but that will be the end result -- nothing. Bet on it.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

22 posted on 06/15/2011 2:46:43 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem
First I agree with most of my fellow FReeper's in that this is the Administration and Bureaucrats behaving criminally and I do believe that there was a motive to base more restrictive gun purchase regulations on the outcome.

That being said, I want to point out yet another sign of the Dinosaur Media demise; " ...even the trial of the trafficker accused of buying guns, which were found at the sight of the killing of border patrol agent Brian Terry."

An obvious sign of an over-dependence on spell-check by a probable J-School grad! Do I need to cite the dictionary difference between sight and site?

23 posted on 06/15/2011 2:57:17 PM PDT by SES1066 (Michael Moore - a pernicious progluddite of socialism!)
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To: Joe Brower
CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson - who broke the story in February - reported on "The Early Show" Wednesday that three sitting ATF special agents who helped blow the whistle on the controversial operation were slated to be the first to testify at Wednesday's session.
Those egomaniacs don't even give credit where credit is due!

Codrea and Vanderboegh deserve the credit.

BREAKING: CBS to report tonight on 'Project Gunwalker'
Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars and this correspondent have been working behind the scenes with CBS News to help them provide the first television network coverage of the unfolding "Project Gunwalker" story.
Each of us has spoken at length over the telephone with correspondent Sharyl Attkisson and communicated via email with producer Christopher Scholl.

If Sharyl Attkisson "broke the story" on her own then why would she ever need to talk to them and work with them behind the scenes in advance of the show?

24 posted on 06/15/2011 4:00:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: neverdem

I want to throw something out there that the Dems and the DOJ had better really think damn hard about. If the laws don’t apply to you, why in the hell should you think the laws will apply to us?

I’m a law abiding citizen and I’m very angry at what I’ve seen and heard with this situation. I know there are people inside and outside the Government who are pissed off beyond belief and if the law isn’t applied appropriately and convincingly in this matter, these people will no longer stand for the BS that has been shoved down our throats and up our asses.

DOJ would do well to consider the ramifications of their actions. They are not above the law. If the law doesn’t apply to them, there are those out here who will make sure it’s understood that it will not apply to the citizens either.

DOJ and ATF messed up bad with this effort and their cover up. The Dems have put their own freedom on the line by supporting this. People will be jailed over this in this Administration. If they aren’t and this is swept under the rug, don’t say a fracking word when the People tell you to go pound sand when you try to apply these laws you feel your above, to us.


25 posted on 06/15/2011 5:05:18 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

and wow, thanks! neverdem:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2735178/posts?page=12#12


26 posted on 06/15/2011 5:43:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: neverdem

Obama / Holder Waterloo


27 posted on 06/15/2011 8:00:32 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 06/15/2011 10:03:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RC2

29 posted on 06/16/2011 1:50:11 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: RC2

30 posted on 06/16/2011 1:51:19 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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