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To: Condor51
"... they {the AB} go after women and children now too...per Jean Reno"

Also "not defending the AB"... but are you really citing Reno against a white, male, heterosexual & non-Muslim group?

Does Waco ring a bell? She did that to protect women and children from a white, male, heterosexual & Christian lead group!

8 posted on 06/16/2011 4:27:29 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix
Okay, no offense but you lost me with 'Waco'?

What I was attempting to clarify with the AB is that they went from a 'Prison Gang' originally formed to protect whites, to a Criminal Enterprise that does Contract Killings (like Murder Inc of old). And they 'do' anyone who gets in their way -- like women and children.

And in the movie 'The Professional' (played by actor Jean Reno) one rule FOR a contract killer is: 'NO WOMEN, NO CHILDREN'. This 'rule' the AB now disregards in carrying out their 'work'.

So I think your confusing JANET RENO with the FRENCH actor Jean Reno. And 'Waco' with a movie.

10 posted on 06/16/2011 4:50:31 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: drpix

Sorry - Branch Davidians were not Christians:

The Branch Davidians- Doctrinal Beliefs

Branch Davidian doctrines fall into three basic categories: first, those which seem to be a result of the cult’s Seventh-day Adventist roots (these came through Houteff); second, those originating with the Rodens; third, those that came through David Koresh (by either “divine revelation” or misinterpretation of the Bible).

The first category would include:

1 — sabbatarianism (the belief that the seventh-day Sabbath must be observed).29

2 — vegetarianism30 (although not all Seventh-day Adventists are vegetarians).

3 — abstinence from alcohol, tobacco, and non-medicinal drugs.31

4 — an excessive preoccupation with prophecy.

Although number four above cannot technically be considered a doctrine, it is an important aspect of the mindset of Branch Davidian members. Furthermore, since Branch Davidian membership is largely made up of former Adventists, it would probably be safe to assume that the Davidian cult’s obsession with prophecy is in some way directly linked to the mainline denomination’s affinity for, and occasional overemphasis on, prophetic passages of Scripture.

Doctrines originating with the Rodens include:

1 — Christians must keep the feast days of Old Testament Israel, including Passover, Pentecost, the Day of Atonement (although no sacrifices are made), and the Feast of Tabernacles.32

2 — The Holy Spirit is female.33

3 — Lois Roden was the incarnation of the Holy Spirit.34

The teachings of David Koresh caused the beliefs of the Branch Davidian cult to withdraw even further from the realm of orthodoxy. The following doctrines came from Koresh:

1 — The King James Version (KJV) is the only true and uncorrupted translation of the Bible.35

2 — Koresh is the only one who can interpret Scripture.36

3 — Koresh is the antitypical David.37
4 — Koresh is the antitypical Cyrus (Koresh is Hebrew for Cyrus) of Isaiah 45, and so everything Koresh does is led by God (based on the KJV rendering of Is. 45:13).38

5 — David Koresh is the Lamb of Revelation 6.39

6 — All females in the commune belong to Koresh, including all married women (this was a 1989 revelation).40 Some of his “wives” have been as young as 12 years old.

7 — Koresh is Jesus Christ.41

Obviously, the Branch Davidians have departed radically from the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. In fact, Koresh’s heretical teachings actually number far too many to list in this brief statement. Even the very nature of the godhead has been perverted by Koresh in a most unusual way. According to Koresh, God is not a triune being (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), but is a foursome (Father, Mother, Son, and Daughter). The Mother of the godhead is the Holy Spirit. The Daughter of the godhead is the Holy Ghost (KJV) who will be incarnated as Koresh’s eternal perfect mate when he is glorified (she will come out of his side like Eve came out of Adam).42

Given the above facts, Koresh’s Branch Davidian group easily fits the theological definition of a cult. It also fits the sociological definition, given the stories told by ex­-members who claim to have seen the following (all of which represent classic marks of a cult from a sociological perspective):

1 — extreme child abuse (e.g. physical beatings until child is bruised and bleeding, and isolation).43

2 — beatings of disobedient members.44

3 — severe food deprivation as punishment.45

4 — outside family ties severed.46

5 — sleep deprivation of members.47

6 — the use of fear and intimidation against members who disagree with Koresh.48

7 — isolation from ex-members.49

The Branch Davidians- Conclusion

The Branch Davidian cult proved to be an extremely destructive group when nearly 100 of its members died in a fire that consumed their compound on April 19, 1993. Numerous individuals involved in it had already been subjected to beatings, sexual abuse, emotional trauma, mental torture, and spiritual ruin. Whether or not the events of 1993 in Waco, Texas will entirely mark the end of the Branch Davidian cult remains to be seen. Consequently, CRI will continue to closely monitor the activities of those who survived the tragedy that took place.

http://www.equip.org/articles/the-branch-davidians


12 posted on 06/16/2011 5:32:19 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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