Skip to comments.Top Agency Officials Knew of Disputed Gun Program
Posted on 06/16/2011 5:13:53 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
WASHINGTON Knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious, a controversial border security strategy that allowed guns to be shipped illegally into Mexico in an effort to track them to drug cartels, went to the top of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, according to evidence released on Wednesday at a House Oversight Committee hearing.
Witnesses at the House hearing included three relatives of a Border Patrol agent killed in Arizona and three A.T.F. agents, right.
The operation, which began in 2009, came under fire after two guns linked to it were found at the scene of the killing of an American Border Patrol agent, Brian A. Terry, in Arizona in 2010. Members of Mr. Terrys family testified at the hearing.
The acting director of A.T.F., Kenneth E. Melson, and his acting deputy, William J. Hoover, were keenly interested in the operation and received weekly updates on its progress, according to internal e-mails released for the first time by the Oversight Committees chairman, Darrell Issa, Republican of California.
At the hearing, Republicans pressed a Justice Department witness as to who else in Washington authorized the operation or was aware of it.
The witness, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich, said releasing some of the documents that the committee sought would jeopardize continuing prosecutions.
At one point, Mr. Issa held up an entirely redacted page from evidence submitted by the department and chided Mr. Weich for the departments response to a subpoena.
How dare you make an opening statement of cooperation! Mr. Issa shouted at Mr. Weich. Youve given us black paper.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
I watched a good part of the hearing yesterday, and what was really surprising was how listless the Dems seemed to be. Normally, the committee is VERY partisan, but the Dems hardly tried to defend the AAG testifying, the BATFE, or the DOJ. The ranking member, Cummings, usually a real gutter fighter, kept trying the meme that the committee hearings ( by divulging info) could get people killed..he actually said that he “was very concerned about people gettign killed, because where he lives, people get killed every day.” Really, he said it..is he tryign for street creds, perhaps. I got the feeling that the Dems know that this is NOT gonna end well for the DOJ, Holder, and Obama, and they aren’t gonna waste their ammo playing defense for them.
"Because it is extraordinarily difficult for American authorities to prosecute criminals in Mexico, lawmakers and A.T.F. witnesses questioned the rationale of the Fast and Furious strategy."
"Extraordinarily difficult for American authorities to prosecute criminals in Mexico? "
How about the US has NO power to prosecute in other nations!
the problem is, 2 days after the shooting, nap flew there.....the question is, why?
Variant of the old line “start with a block of marble and remove everything that doesn’t look like a statue”? as in “the information you want is right there, just ignore the ink that isn’t part of it!”
What is Issa's problem with black paper? Sounds like some kind of racist to me.
“they were incapable of being tracked except at a crime scene.”
I seem to recall reading that, during the Bush years, the guns had tracking devices built into the stocks, and that the guns weren’t allowed to cross the Border.
Also, this shouldn’t just be about the Border Patrol Agent’s death. How many deaths in Mezzico were caused by this “program?”
I have a decent size firearms collection that continues to grow for some reason. At no time, for any of the firearms that I have purchased, was I ever asked WHY I wanted to buy it. The fact that today, there are still politicians that don’t know or knowingly lie about simple things like that is yet another reason the country is in so much trouble. As for McCarthy, she got elected due to what happened to her husband and son a long time ago. From that point on she instantly became an expert on every aspect of guns, legal or illegal. However, she is totally clueless. Somewhere on the internet is an exchange between her and a reporter, where he asked her about ‘barrel shrouds’. It was her legislation and she had absolutely no clue what it/they were, except to say that it would reduce gang violence. Pray for America.
Mr. Cummings tried to deflect, change the focus, and stonewall the hearings. He’s a shill for the administration and is helping the BATFE in this matter.
He’s also not very good at it. Gun control zealots are feeling the pressure. It must suck to realize that you’re no better than the Black Panthers or the KKK.
According to some sources, as many as 150 Mexican citizens have lost their lives to these weapons.
Secondly, they could not have tracking devices because the sales were directly from stores where the owners were directed by the BATFE to proceed with the sale even though the store owner suspected these were straw purchases.
In other words, the BATFE allowed these sales to go through without being on the premises. There was no chance to arrest these guys or to plant tracking devices in the firearms.
Pray for America is right. Are people not calling for Holder’s resignation because they have before and he does not listen and thinks he is like Obama above all or are they waiting to get him on contempt?
Watch the news for a lot of people to be fired and the Holder will say the issue is closed. The family of Brian Terry were promised all those involved will be held accountable.
Bigger. This was intended to set up the background for a full scale assault on the Second Amendment...probably via the treaty process.
I’ll bet Boohoo (it’s all GWB’s fault) 0bama know about this illegal and stupid deal!
Remember it being reported that there was a specialmedia set up to counter all anti-Obama stories? MediaMatters sponsored by Soro’s is denying this was about political gun laws SO WE NOW KNOW THAT IT IS.
I like to call it "Operation Slow & Oblivious"
I’ve been looking since you posted an hour ago. Read this article;
“When the ATFs Project Gunrunner began in 2005 under the Bush administration, the agency didnt allow guns to be taken over the border into Mexico.”
Still looking for info on tracking devices in stocks. Know I read that here a few days ago.
I know this. The is why if we refer to it as Gunrunner, people doing internet searches will see it was started by Bush and stop right there.
By referring to the program as Fast & Furious, it nails Obama.
Here’s an “interesting site;
The project began during the Bush administration in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 as a trial, morphing into a national program in 2006. The guns were sold and tracked electronically, giving law enforcement agents valuable intelligence on where the weapons went and who had them.
During the Bush years, no guns were allowed to cross the border into Mexico. When President Obama took office in 2009, things changed. Obamas ATF continued Project Gunrunner, but made a crucial decision to allow guns to be walked into Mexico, eventually ending up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.
The results, in at least one instance, were tragic. Two AK-47s ATF officials were tracking were found at the scene of U.S. border agent Brian Terrys murder.
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